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Hey guys. Fairly new in the caming biz, but have been in the world of Internet Marketing for awhile now. I've just started working with a cam model and started promoting her through social media & dating apps while selling content on IndieBill. So far its been very successful.


What i’m wondering though is what angle cam models who have been doing this for awhile or new ones even are attempting to take to make the most money from their business? I’m also interested to know if scaling, and branding yourself for alternative revenue sources other than caming are something models here think about.


When I mention branding and creating alternative revenue sources I mean using a similar model to what Mia Khalifa or you could even say Kim Kardashian did. (Basically being a sexual worker in the beginning or just for a short period of time to make money, but more importantly to create other & bigger opportunities to make money outside of that industry.)


In short, with our setup my model is getting a lot of exposure through snapchat (thousands of views/day), and grabbing customers through there.


I understand the majority are using cam sites instead of a more independent route like IndieBill because you don’t have to worry about marketing as much, because the sites are so big and the guys are already there they just have to scroll through and find you.


This makes sense to me, but my question is hypothetically if an option came up where you had more control of the marketing and advertisement aspect of your own services, and say for example you could make yourself as big as you wanted would you take it?
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For example something like having your profile advertised on the front page of the biggest porn sites that get hundreds of thousands of views per day, or shouted out on a big sex related instagram page with 400K+ followers would you personally take that route to gain more customers and make more money? Or would you be more comfortable staying within the realms of something like chaturbate where the individual exposure is more limited because of competition & saturation?


Basically would you be willing to put your caming life out there to a hell of a lot more people and make more money doing it, or do you think personally you like just being on sites like chaturbate, and only being exposed to those who seek out the specific purpose of caming on those specific sites?


With this being said, trust me I know you can’t just snap your fingers and suddenly have thousands of viewers on your live cam, and that the large majority are struggling making much at all caming. It takes time, strategy, money, experience, and great content. However, i’m more interested in what you guys would do hypothetically in a perfect world if an opportunity like this did happen.
 
So basically, if you had a chance of getting 15 minutes of fame, would you want it to be for sex work? I would say most of the women would say no...
 
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Do you do a lot of spammy email marketing? Because this looks like the spam folder in my Gmail account. That said, I'd say probably the majority of models who use this site are already using many of these alternative revenue sources...
 
Do you do a lot of spammy email marketing? Because this looks like the spam folder in my Gmail account. That said, I'd say probably the majority of models who use this site are already using many of these alternative revenue sources...

Sorry if it came off as spammy. Not trying to sell anything through this thread. But in which ways & how do you assume this. Through my perspective it seems like most girls are focusing strictly on just the cam side of their business when, through my eyes at least, with proper branding and a enough exposure that can just be the first or one way to pull in revenue. Especially in the digital age we are in now. There are things like becoming an influencer, CPI/CPA, & promoting your own product/service that models can be doing to make more money through their alluring sexual presence as well as just blatantly selling sex. With that being said that's assuming the marketing & the audience is there, which goes back to the title of this thread asking whether if large scalability was possible would you take that route with the drawback being the publicity that comes with a more wide audience knowing what you're doing. Not just your dudes that scroll through cam sites on a daily basis. And if you would, more importantly why aren't you? I'm just concerned as to why the macro/long term aspect of building a big following and a legit brand around yourself seems to be ignored here to me at least. Not assuming that anyone can do it or that it's easy just curious. Especially when the game plan is making it strictly through these sites who are cutting 30-45% of your revenue, and who don't give you much freedom to get yourself exposed.
 
So basically, if you had a chance of getting 15 minutes of fame, would you want it to be for sex work? I would say most of the women would say no...

I wouldn't call it 15 seconds of fame. The opposite if anything. I'm talking more in the sense of building a huge clientele/fan base with the drawback of your work being more public.
 
Jesus fucking shit is all the different colored text fucking necessary? That hurts my eyeballs like a motherfucker. I couldn't even read your post, I just scrolled until the pain stopped.
 
Two paragraphs. If you can't describe your sales pitch in two paragraphs you need to edit that shit down! Tell us what your selling, don't make us read a book.

Also, it's 'camming.' Two m's. Cause...grammar.
 
Two paragraphs. If you can't describe your sales pitch in two paragraphs you need to edit that shit down! Tell us what your selling, don't make us read a book.

Also, it's 'camming.' Two m's. Cause...grammar.

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Two paragraphs. If you can't describe your sales pitch in two paragraphs you need to edit that shit down! Tell us what your selling, don't make us read a book.

Also, it's 'camming.' Two m's. Cause...grammar.
Lol not selling anything. If you're not going to read the OP why just make a random statement. Just trying to start a conversation on making camming a large scale business model
 
Dating apps are for dating. If your models aren't going on dates or trying to find love they shouldn't be doing any promoting on them.

You see this is a common statement that i've seen here. All of my models clientele come from dating apps lol. It's actually a pretty good demographic. Like I mentioned in the OP, when it comes to big cam sites you are afforded the convenience of the people who are on those sites being ones specifically looking for camming which is a positive, but its also a negative when they have the ability to hand pick whatever model they want on a site full of them.

It's competition, but not only that, it's also the lack of ways to really make yourself standout that makes it difficult there.

The pros of marketing on dating apps is though the demographic isn't specifically looking to cam, to the ones that are its a new & exciting thing that they've never done before so it interests them and inclines them more to pay for you. And if you're creative, you're also afforded easier strategies there to make yourself noticed.
 
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Dating apps are for dating. If your models aren't going on dates or trying to find love they shouldn't be doing any promoting on them.

This is literally what I was about to day.

Why do you choose to use dating apps for promotion?
 
This is literally what I was about to day.

Why do you choose to use dating apps for promotion?

But to expand just a little for both of you, the notion that "Dating apps are only for dating". Is silly. Like I mentioned in the OP, I've spent the majority of my business career in internet marketing, specifically through on Social Media. For example i've sold & promoted all sorts of things via Instagram, Vine, Pinterest, Youtube, Musical.ly, Twitter, Snapchat etc. With that being said these networks are just big hubs of semi particular people with alot of different niche demographics within said hubs.

Instagram for example is centered around taking pictures of your lifestyle, but if you've ever searched Instagram you can easily find niches within this general network. These are pages centered around puppies, clothing, music, and even sex. So though Instagram isn't specifically about puppies you could easily sell something on that app for pups since there is a big enough niche within it.

Same idea works for something like Tinder. Not specifically for camming, but specifically for horny dudes & girls and there are definitely horny dudes on there who are down to cam, whether intentionally or not. Identifying these hubs & these niches within apps is the easy part. The hard part is finding a way to creatively & efficiently convert these niches you identify.
 
Lol not selling anything. If you're not going to read the OP why just make a random statement. Just trying to start a conversation on making camming a large scale business model

Sure seemed like you were pitching, what kind of a percentage would someone have to pay for the assistance of someone so knowledgeable in scalable social media marketing?
 
Basically would you be willing to put your caming life out there to a hell of a lot more people and make more money doing it.

There are a lot of problems with your original post which is why I think people aren't taking you seriously. Let me start with this one. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim that publicizing your cam life makes you more money? Have you read anything about the Hot Girls Wanted series? Are those cam models raking it in now as far as you know?
 
Sure seemed like you were pitching, what kind of a percentage would someone have to pay for the assistance of someone so knowledgeable in scalable social media marketing?

I wouldn't even know dude lol. There is a lot of information, and a lot of ways to go about different things. But like any business no one is going to give the key to success away for free. I'm not interested in that though, I'm new to the camming sector but with my current setup it involves a lot of marketing which i'm experienced in and i'm seeing success there so just posting here to give and trade perspectives for free. Just trying to learn and inform on what I know for now lol.
 
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So your answer to my question "Why do you choose to use dating apps for promotion?"-- is simply that there are horny people on there?

Have you considered the models safety in using these types of apps, or when putting her "camming life out there"? If so, what kind of measures do you take to ensure her safety?

 
There are a lot of problems with your original post which is why I think people aren't taking you seriously. Let me start with this one. Do you have any evidence to back up this claim that publicizing your cam life makes you more money? Have you read anything about the Hot Girls Wanted series? Are those cam models raking it in now as far as you know?

Not familiar with it i'll check it out. But evidence is in any business in general. It's not about publicizing your cam life it's about scaling your clientele. It's pretty obvious the more clients you have the more money you can make. Also obvious the bigger your platform the more clients you can get.

So i'm just trying to throw out the idea of scaling clientele, creating a bigger platform for yourself, so you have the ability to have more reach and influence more people. With that reach is when the alternate revenue sources come in.

This basically means in some instances you may have 100,000 people who view your sexual related content, though maybe only 10-15% purchase you can focus on converting that left over 85-90% with alternative online methods that aren't sexual.
 
So your answer to my question "Why do you choose to use dating apps for promotion?"-- is simply that there are horny people on there?

Have you considered the models safety in using these types of apps, or when putting her "camming life out there"? If so, what kind of measures do you take to ensure her safety?

This is a good question, it's basically what the OP is about. In an industry like this, to make real money you need at least one of two things. Either a ton of clients, or a smaller amount of clients that are spending a ton of money all the time.

There are definetly things I do to protect my model, some of which are actually easier since you are using dating apps. One being geolocation. If you've ever been on Tinder or something similar you know you can only interact with people close to you. However, there are creative ways that you can change this so it's actually the opposite. In our setup we actually select the specific state/country of men that we want to target. With the settings in these apps you can also pinpoint certain ages as well. All of this makes marketing to who we want & making ourselves stand out eaiser. All of our clients are actually located nowhere near us and we do this on purpose.

This is an example with my specific setup but there are other things like the obvious that I assume most people on here do as well, like not using your real name, covering up tattoos etc.
 
Not familiar with it i'll check it out. But evidence is in any business in general. It's not about publicizing your cam life it's about scaling your clientele. It's pretty obvious the more clients you have the more money you can make. Also obvious the bigger your platform the more clients you can get.

So i'm just trying to throw out the idea of scaling clientele, creating a bigger platform for yourself, so you have the ability to have more reach and influence more people. With that reach is when the alternate revenue sources come in.

This basically means in some instances you may have 100,000 people who view your sexual related content, though maybe only 10-15% purchase you can focus on converting that left over 85-90% with alternative online methods that aren't sexual.
Dial down a little on jargon and word salad, champion.
What curvyredhead is concerned about is too much visibility and their identity being out there for their families to see. Also privacy leaks such as phone number, address, real name etc.
I'm very curious how do you market girls on dating apps? Do you pretend to be them, pretend to be interested in men frequenting them? What are your methods. And concise please.
 
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So your answer to my question "Why do you choose to use dating apps for promotion?"-- is simply that there are horny people on there?

Have you considered the models safety in using these types of apps, or when putting her "camming life out there"? If so, what kind of measures do you take to ensure her safety?

Also just to expand just alittle bit more its not simply cause there are horny people on there lol. It also has to do with competition and saturation like I mentioned in the OP. As well as sheer number of users on dating apps
 
Just because you are promoted to 400k followers does not even guarantee any of them will follow you OR spend on you.

Social media users are used to not paying for things. You're better off promoting within adult sites/forums where users are willing to pay.

I would also rather not have 100 dudes legit trying to date me because they found me on a dating site/app.
 
Dial down a little on jargon and word salad, champion.
What curvyredhead is concerned about is too much visibility and their identity being out there for their families to see. Also privacy leaks such as phone number, address, real name etc.
Also I'm very curious how do you market girls on dating apps? Do you pretend to be them, pretend to be interested in men frequenting them? What are your methods. And concise please.

To the visibility and the family question, that just depends. Like how I said in one of the previous posts.

"In an industry like this, to make real money you need at least one of two things. Either a ton of clients, or a smaller amount of clients that are spending a ton of money all the time."

With the specific model I work with she is younger and has no family so that's not an issue for her, that's also what the OP was about me asking you guys the question if you'd be willing to put yourselves out there for more money.

When it comes to all the privacy things you mentioned you're model shouldn't be posting those things anywhere so the chance of them leaking shouldn't be high. It's ridiculous to say that it is impossible for anything to be leaked or hacked (this is coming from a small computer science background I have). But there are definitely things you can do to protect yourself. Shouldn't ever use any real information, name and address wise, you can always get WHOIS protection for a website and you can get DID phone numbers for $1/month to mask yourself there.

How I market online is just having a conversation with guys who are interested giving them my models snapchat and then selling premium snap access and cam times through her snaps. There are obviously alot of tricks and creativity in between there that make it successful but that's how I make money so sharing it publically isn't a good idea.
 
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Just because you are promoted to 400k followers does not even guarantee any of them will follow you OR spend on you.

Social media users are used to not paying for things. You're better off promoting within adult sites/forums where users are willing to pay.

I would also rather not have 100 dudes legit trying to date me because they found me on a dating site/app.

Very good point this does happen, however you can filter this dudes out and only promote cam to the ones that are interested, and keep these other dudes around for other revenue promotions. To expand here my model actually has alot of these guys who legit want to date or are just extremely infatuated but don't want to cam. I keep these guys and convert them with other offers more suited to them.
 
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