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[RedHerby]

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Are there actually sites that have fully functioning pricing models that take into account daily variations in foreign exchange rates?

Not needed, they can just credit my credit card for dollars and then my bank give them dollars and does take euros from me. Thats where banks are for, for money services like that.

In fact they have now more work, now there is logic in their site "hee, the customer is from Europe, lets bill him in Euros and not dollars". They must make the valuta word variable on their screens and so on. Ok, thats a little investment to make 25% extra profit on a transaction from a European customer.

It is really a well thought decision on their side to make more money. When you do this as a company it says so much about your business ethics.

Will you guys go after him that people paying in dollars are screwed when/if exchange rates favor the Euro?

In fact, in Europe we are doing our best to make this true , but thats an other subject

 

[RedHerby]

- When I buy 200 tokens from MFC for 19.99 dollars, my credit card will be charged for +/- 15 euros, depending on the current dollar/euro rate.

- When I would buy 30 credits from Brijelle (what normally cost 30 dollars) my credit card will be charged for 30 euros.

So you could potentially pay more for MFC credits, too, depending on the current exchange rate?

thats correct, if the Euro does crash any time soon (and that's a real possibility) then sites like MFC will be out of reach for us European customers, so please be nice to Europeans in your shows, give them some extras, you could lose us any moment now as customers

Payout of 60% ? No no !!! With this euro/dollar trick it is 45% !!!

No, the model still earns the same percentage. You may pay more, but the model does not earn less because of how a member pays.

Really, if you look at the % payout to the model, then the % goes down from 60% to 45%.

Compare it to the MFC way of working, yes you always get $0.5 for every token, that indeed never changes.

- When I buy 200 Tokens for $19.99 and tip it to you then you get $10, thats 50% from my money.
- When I buy 1875 tokens for $149.99 and tip it to you then you get $93.75, thats 62.5 % from my money.

The % payout to a model is not a fixed thing, it can change, above is a positive change in case when the member gets a discount when getting a higher token package at MFC. In case of Brijelle with their dollar/euro scam its a negative change.

Streamate does the exact same thing and I don't hear anyone screaming that their a scamming, lying site.

Based on what ShelterLight said, Streamate does NOT do this, I'm not Streamate customer, Our 'god' site, MFC, is doing it right.

 

[brijelle.com]

Thank you for your feedbacks!

I understand if you are disappointed with the credit system and I am sorry if you consider it as a lie, the aim was not to make fool of any Models, this was a necessary business decision.
Anyway I appreciate this feedback and of course will be forwarded to management for discussion. I guess if there have been been so much nagative feedback about the credit and payout system then the management will think about it and consider a change.
It is on you if this fact makes you avoid working on the site at the moment.
I still will share any updates, news about brijelle.com here although I do not intend to react any feedbacks like 'fucking liars' etc.

'If you're incapable of comming up with intelligent reasons why we should try your site, why the hell should we?'
It is all up to you, I answered nicely to all the questions but after calling the site 'fucking liar' and 'racism' why should I still answer nicely? Intelligent people do not react in such a way, I still have not reacted that way, so it is not me who should think about changing attitude and express the opinions in a different way.

'All sites have hidden lies, it depends on you only if you realise it or not'
'ok, thats clear, so this is how you think about the business where you are in.'
I used your words, please. These are not lies but business decisions and all sites have similar decisions. It is not me who like eating words but you and I used your words. I do not think it to be a lie, if it was a lie then it would be much better hidden, the credit and payout system is ahead of you if you register on the site, this is not a lie, you can see it yourself too.


A still appreciate any feedbacks, but as I said before negative opinions like 'fucking liars' or ' thefts' or 'racists' will be ingored. Thank you for your understanding!

 

[AllisonWilder]

Compare it to the MFC way of working, yes you always get $0.5 for every token, that indeed never changes.
- When I buy 200 Tokens for $19.99 and tip it to you then you get $10, thats 50% from my money.
- When I buy 1875 tokens for $149.99 and tip it to you then you $93.75, thats 62.5 % from my money.

I guess technically that's 62.5% from your money, but really it's still only $.05 a token so it doesn't really make a difference, does it? It's not like we get an extra 12.5% from your tokens. MFC takes a percentage hit. That's all that is. It doesn't make a difference to a model whatsoever.

Based on what ShelterLight said, Streamate does NOT do this, I'm not Streamate customer, Our 'god' site, MFC, is doing it right.

I'm a Streamate model and a paying member and they do in fact do this. "All members will be billed by Epoch in their own currency." is what it says when I tip Gold to a model.

 

[RedHerby]

I guess technically that's 62.5% from your money, but really it's still only $.05 a token so it doesn't really make a difference, does it? It's not like we get an extra 12.5% from your tokens. MFC takes a percentage hit. That's all that is. It doesn't make a difference to a model whatsoever.

If I decide to spend 100 euro on Brijelle for a show from you. What do you prefer then ? Getting 60% from my money or 45% of my money ?

The same for MFC, because MFC does do it right, I get more tokens for my euros, thats more tokens for models.

 

[Kradek]

In fact they have now more work, now there is logic in their site "hee, the customer is from Europe, lets bill him in Euros and not dollars". They must make the valuta word variable on their screens and so on. Ok, thats a little investment to make 25% extra profit on a transaction from a European customer.

I signed up to check, this is not in fact the case. All the packages listed for me were in Euro, so I expect all packages everywhere are bought in Euro.

There are two ways I could see the calculation going and I'm not sure which one is the actual. You're saying a €70 * .6 = €42 means a payout of $42. In that case, yes, for now, it's less (using 1.25 as the EUR->USD exchange rate, €70 = $87.5, $42/$87.5 = .48).

Seems possible to me though, that they do this; €70 * .6 = €42, €42 * 1.25 (current exchange rate) = $52.5.

First case is subject to the exchange rate. So, for now, they pick up extra cash, but they stand to lose cash should the situation reverse, as it has in the past. I wouldn't call it a scam. Seems risky though. They're using CCBill as their payment processor; I guess I would surprised if they don't just tell whoever is doing their payments to pay €x to the model and let the payment guys figure out what the model gets based on their currency.

I should also mention that it seems odd that Euro models will be paid in USD, I don't know if that's the case one way or the other. The site seems primarily Euro oriented.

 

[LindseyDoll]

Compare it to the MFC way of working, yes you always get $0.5 for every token, that indeed never changes.
- When I buy 200 Tokens for $19.99 and tip it to you then you get $10, thats 50% from my money.
- When I buy 1875 tokens for $149.99 and tip it to you then you $93.75, thats 62.5 % from my money.

I guess technically that's 62.5% from your money, but really it's still only $.05 a token so it doesn't really make a difference, does it? It's not like we get an extra 12.5% from your tokens. MFC takes a percentage hit. That's all that is. It doesn't make a difference to a model whatsoever.

Based on what ShelterLight said, Streamate does NOT do this, I'm not Streamate customer, Our 'god' site, MFC, is doing it right.

I'm a Streamate model and a paying member and they do in fact do this. "All members will be billed by Epoch in their own currency." is what it says when I tip Gold to a model.

I'm not really talking about the models getting ripped off right now, it's the european members that it would be unfair for. Let me try to explain. On stream mate when someone tips me in euros it says they have sent the amount in euros in gold, I get 35% of that converted into US dollars. When they take me private, they pay my price, but in their cuttency, so a different amount in euros than it would be in dollars. I take no issue with that.

The reason I consider this site's system unfair is that euros are worth more than american dollars. So if one hundred american dollars, and one hundred euros both buy 100 tokens that means that the european members are actually being charged much more. They should be getting 1 token for every dollar it comes to after it's converted. Otherwise they can't tip models as much, or take them private as long as they ought to be. So they way I see it the models would wind up getting less tokens from them as well.

It just seems unfair to me

Edit: I hope I'm making sense here, I'm writing this at 3am my time :?

 

[AllisonWilder]

I guess technically that's 62.5% from your money, but really it's still only $.05 a token so it doesn't really make a difference, does it? It's not like we get an extra 12.5% from your tokens. MFC takes a percentage hit. That's all that is. It doesn't make a difference to a model whatsoever.

If I decide to spend 100 euro on Brijelle for a show from you. What do you prefer then ? Getting 60% from my money or 45% of my money ?

The same for MFC, because MFC does do it right, I get more tokens for my euros, thats more tokens for models.

I already admitted that I didn't know much about conversion, so until you put it that way it didn't make sense. Thanks.

 

[Kradek]

The reason I consider this site's system unfair is that euros are worth more than american dollars. So if one hundred american dollars, and one hundred euros both buy 100 tokens that means that the european members are actually being charged much more. They should be getting 1 token for every dollar it comes to after it's converted. Otherwise they can't tip models as much, or take them private as long as they ought to be. So they way I see it the models would wind up getting less tokens from them as well.

On Brijelle.com, 1 token/credit = €1. European guy pays €100 for 100 tokens/credits. American guy pays $125 for 100 tokens/credits. Assuming the exchange rate is 1.25 USD/1 EUR. That much I'm pretty sure of after checking out the site.

The point of contention is how money is paid out to the model and whether the payout ignores the exchange rate and uses $1 = €1.

If they use the exchange rate for payouts, then its a wash, and the model does actually receive whatever percentage they state (100tk * .6 = 60tk, 60tk = €60, €60 * 1.25 = $75, $75/$125 = .6, or model gets 60%).

If they use $1 = €1 for payouts, then the model currently receives 48% (100tk * .6 = 60tk, 60tk = €60 = $60, $60/$125 = .48, or model gets 48%).

However, if the exchange rate reversed and they use $1 = €1 for payouts, then the model receives a higher percentage. Let's say the exchange rate changed such that .75 USD = 1EUR. In that case the member paid $75 for 100 tk/credits and the model would receive 80% (100tk * .6 = 60tk = €60 = $60, $60/$75 = .8, or model receives %80).

I don't see how they could realistically use $1=€1 for payouts. That seems a pretty hefty risk given the current economic state of affairs.

 

[RedHerby]

I don't see how they could realistically use $1=€1 for payouts. That seems a pretty hefty risk given the current economic state of affairs.

about "$1=€1", that is exactly what they are doing, as a business decision, to make more profit, to hide the real payout % to models.

One dollar at their buying side is one euro at their selling side, wow, good business ! Smart guys !

To the models they say "Hey 1 credit here at Brijelle is 1 dollar when we pay you" and to the members they say "Hey to get that 1 credit you must pay 1 euro", I thought they did say it only to European members, however you found out it is for all customers.

It makes their payout % as given to models invalid, it's not from 40% to 60% as but from 30% to 45% and that's a big difference.

( btw, did I tell that that 60% (45% in real) is only for that part that's bigger then 1000$ in a 2 week period? I'm not sure if I did give this information before )

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It could possible change in the near future, now their extra profit is +25%, one year ago it would be +33%, 3 years ago it would be +50% . How things are now developing here in Europe, it will be soon -50% or so, that will learn them a lesson !!! (ok, and I will be broke then and not be able to spend one single token on MFC or credit on Brijelle)

This euro/dollar scam did make some cam sites a lot of money the last years. The leader of that pack is LiveJasmin, they have a very low payout, combined with this euro/dollar scam and a studio that takes 50%, then it happens that a model gets less then 15% from your money. Happy fapping next time with a young girl, but almost all your money goes to fat ugly middle-age men.YEAH !!! we fat ugly middle-age men rule this world !!! (oops, I'm a fat ugly middle-age men who pays on cam-sites, I do something wrong here).

You say that they are an euros based site? So why must they payout the models in dollars then? Why is the buying side in a different currency then the selling side? MFC does use the same currency for buying and selling. And does one of the parties use an other currency? Then the financial service handler in the middle does do this currency conversion.

This difference in currency between buying and selling is created to hide the real payout % to models. It tells a lot about their business ethics.

They should just payout in euros, the EU currency, haha, put the letter L in front of EU and there you have the real currency that will be spend in the local economy .... lol

 

[Kradek]

You say that they are an euros based site? So why must they payout the models in dollars then? Why is the buying side in a different currency then the selling side? MFC does use the same currency for buying and selling. And does one of the parties use an other currency? Then the financial service handler in the middle does do this currency conversion.

I said

I should also mention that it seems odd that Euro models will be paid in USD, I don't know if that's the case one way or the other. The site seems primarily Euro oriented.

so we're on the same page there.

The leader of that pack is LiveJasmin, they have a very low payout, combined with this euro/dollar scam and a studio that takes 50%, then it happens that a model gets less then 15% from your money.

When I pay on LJ (it's been a while, but I double checked), I pay in USD. I also just confirmed that my model friends there get paid in USD. So, no arbitrage. Sounds like you pay in Euro; do you get 1 credit/Euro? You're right that studios are prevalent with LJ; that's one of the main reasons I do not go there anymore.

 

[RedHerby]

The leader of that pack is LiveJasmin, they have a very low payout, combined with this euro/dollar scam and a studio that takes 50%, then it happens that a model gets less then 15% from your money.

When I pay on LJ (it's been a while, but I double checked), I pay in USD. I also just confirmed that my model friends there get paid in USD. So, no arbitrage. Sounds like you pay in Euro; do you get 1 credit/Euro?

Indeed, 1 credit/euro there for me, thats the source of my euro/dollar frustation

When I did found this out 2 years ago, it was more then 30% extra that I did pay then a USA customer. It did also make the share that the model did get from my money ridiculous low !

I'm allergic now for this euro/dollar scam, I thought Brijelle was doing the same thing, but you found out they do it for all customers, not only for Europian customers, that makes it a little bit less bad

Ok, lets stop with this, my opinion about Brijelle is now clear Thanks for the research and calculations in this tread.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

No offense, but trying to read your over attempts at somewhat perfect English makes my brain hurt.

If you are going to try to recruit models on an English speaking website/forum and explain fairly complex business policy, (as I've said before) it would do you well to hire an native English speaking proxy to do this for you.

It would go a long way. While trying to post in perfect English you are being to verbose and using far to many extraneous elements of grammar.

However you are doing a better job than most do when pushing a new cam site.

Then again, telling the models "60%" (and cleverly sticking +/- on it) but in the fine print saying the first $1000 is only 40% (is that +/- also?) to me stinks of greasy marketing. I would be really wary of anything else I read past that little part.

I won't get into your Euro/credit/Dollar thing, I see most everyone got that one.

But you did make a nice website. Good luck.

 

[brijelle.com]

No offense, but trying to read your over attempts at somewhat perfect English makes my brain hurt.

If you are going to try to recruit models on an English speaking website/forum and explain fairly complex business policy, (as I've said before) it would do you well to hire an native English speaking proxy to do this for you.

It would go a long way. While trying to post in perfect English you are being to verbose and using far to many extraneous elements of grammar.

However you are doing a better job than most do when pushing a new cam site.

Then again, telling the models "60%" (and cleverly sticking +/- on it) but in the fine print saying the first $1000 is only 40% (is that +/- also?) to me stinks of greasy marketing. I would be really wary of anything else I read past that little part.

I won't get into your Euro/credit/Dollar thing, I see most everyone got that one.

But you did make a nice website. Good luck.

Thank you for your feedback! Yes, my mother language is not English but I am still proud of my English knowledge and at least I can speak an other language besides my native one. I am just wondering if anyone can here speak and write in any other languages fluently besides his/her mother language but if you like criticising it then it is up to you. To be honest I am on a lot of forums but never experienced any similar attitudes from forum readers than here but you do your job great (even if you express it in a robustful way), any feedback is highly appreciated and can help us to make the site better

'but in the fine print saying the first $1000 is only 40% (is that +/- also?) to me stinks of greasy marketing.'
Your are not right, please read it here how it works: http://wiki.brijelle.com/payouts/

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

but if you like criticising (sic)

I said no offense, it was a suggestion, not a critique.
Nice passive aggression ya got there.
Your English is very good. That wasn't my point.

 

[Paulie Walnuts]

Your are not right, please read it here how it works: http://wiki.brijelle.com/payouts/

Yes, I read it.
Complex payout formulas make me nervous. In my own business experience over the years, the more complicated the math is in a contract, the more you should be afraid to sign it.

I'm not a model or a cam site operator but in general, I don't really see what the advantage is to the employee in making the payout formula any more complex than a flat rate % on what they earn. In effect these models work on a commission system (on a good site). I've read the TOS of a lot of these cam sites, and I really don't see why any of them just don't pay a flat rate commission. From what I understand MFC and Skinvideo does, more or less.

My advice would be streamline and simplify the payout to a flat 70% commission on their total monthly sales. Quick,easy, and attractive.

The simplicity and higher % will get you more models, and you'll make more money overall.

 

[AllisonWilder]

No offense, but trying to read your over attempts at somewhat perfect English makes my brain hurt.

If you are going to try to recruit models on an English speaking website/forum and explain fairly complex business policy, (as I've said before) it would do you well to hire an native English speaking proxy to do this for you.

It would go a long way. While trying to post in perfect English you are being to verbose and using far to many extraneous elements of grammar.

However you are doing a better job than most do when pushing a new cam site.

Then again, telling the models "60%" (and cleverly sticking +/- on it) but in the fine print saying the first $1000 is only 40% (is that +/- also?) to me stinks of greasy marketing. I would be really wary of anything else I read past that little part.

I won't get into your Euro/credit/Dollar thing, I see most everyone got that one.

But you did make a nice website. Good luck.

Thank you for your feedback! Yes, my mother language is not English but I am still proud of my English knowledge and at least I can speak an other language besides my native one. I am just wondering if anyone can here speak and write in any other languages fluently besides his/her mother language but if you like criticising it then it is up to you. To be honest I am on a lot of forums but never experienced any similar attitudes from forum readers than here but you do your job great (even if you express it in a robustful way), any feedback is highly appreciated and can help us to make the site better

'but in the fine print saying the first $1000 is only 40% (is that +/- also?) to me stinks of greasy marketing.'
Your are not right, please read it here how it works: http://wiki.brijelle.com/payouts/

I don't know what forums you're on and I'm sure you are a nice person, but honestly, when we're approached by a new camsite trying to recruit models, we are skeptical for very good reasons. You also have to appreciate that we see one of these brand new site advertisements trying to recruit us weekly.

Paulie Walnuts makes a good point about having a native English speaking person promoting your site. While we understand that you're a non-native and we all can agree that for English not being your first language you are fluent, your posts don't always come across as easy to read. Words and sentences need to flow together in order to present your product in the most professional manner.

 

[brijelle.com]

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[brijelle.com]

Dear Models & Studios!

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[nzhere]

Thread is now spam and self promotion?

 

[AllisonWilder]

Well at least they're only spamming their own thread, right?

 

[sweetiebatman]

All the spam in a neat organised pile, excellent!

 

[brijelle.com]

As you told me that you are sceptic about new sites due to the bad exepriences and you also heard about some sites how never paid, I thought to share this information about you.

About spamming: as this thread was not deleted yet I guess there is nothing wrong with it.