That was my bad, apparently Allison signed up a while ago but deleted it when I messaged her. Scared me a bit though that they were taking girls profiles!
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I don't think it's meant as racism or discrimination - it's just an unfortunate fact that a disproportionately high percentage of credit card fraud comes from those countries. That's not to say your average person there is any more dishonest or likely to scam than anyone else, but it does happen and as a matter of risk-assessment many online businesses find it far simpler, and cheaper, to not deal with those countries.AllisonWilder said:
I ordered some clothes online the other day from a place here in Australia and was very surprised to see their international shipping policy excluded Romania (it flat out stated it had experienced fraud issues), so don't be too hard on brijelle.com - I think he may not have expressed it in the most delicate fashion but it's just a business policy that makes sense for a site trying to get off the ground.
Afterall, is it any different than MFC closing the Asian homepage because of the unprofitable admin costs required to verify model identities and so forth? It may be unfortunate but it's also understandable.
As for the site itself, I had a brief look, a few models online the layout is very clear but professional and the site feels modern and sexy without feeling spammy or as if any link you click is going to cause a popup or ask for your credit card (like livejasmin for instance). I hope it does well, the site design and room layout seems great, just needs more models.
It is bit weird that the forum readers here only comment if they have anything negative opinion. AllisonWilder forgot to mention that she registered on the site then she asked her account to be cancelled. She would not mention that nobody stole her details and image but she did her own registration.
Jupiter551 said:
Thank you Jupiter551 for your opinion and feedback! I am glad to see that someone finally see the point of view and not trying to consider everything negative.
brijelle.com said:
Because we constantly get scam sites, people trying to steal content/identities and really fact is, if you're making a cam site you're hoping to make money off models, a lot of people think "wow, these models make X amount, and the site takes half or more, the site must make XX amount! I should start up a camsite!" So they get to work, build a site, start advertising on here etc.
Also when someone's a complete fraud you can usually tell if you write negative responses. You'll question them/write something negative and they'll act unprofessional.
What do you really expect though? To you you're offering an opportunity for us (and you) to make money.
To us you're trying to move us to a completely different website when we're already making money, one which in the best world is new and will be very rocky at the beginning, quite possibly won't last, you have no idea what the traffic will be like, nothing compared to the mainstream sites we're already on I'll tell you that. So yeah, we'll probably move to your site, make less than we already do (especially at the beginning) so that you can get a cut in our paycheque instead of the site we're already on.
In the worst case scenario you will scam us, use our info against us, steal/sell our content or not pay us after we've done our work. Until you are trusted and have been up a while we won't know these things.
Camgirls get blackmailed all the time, some of the cases are pretty serious though (when the member has actually found out their info).
So do you really blame us for being skeptical? Think about in reality what you're actually asking of us.
Yeah there's skepticism because there's 'new site' threads every other day and most of them never even seem to get past the concept phase. I think this should be judged differently though - the site is up and running, it looks good, as a viewer I'm not going to comment on model payouts and stuff because I didnt really pay attention but to my mind new, professional sites starting up is a good thing. For members AND models.
1 credit is one USD at Brijelle ? What is the smallest package a member can buy?brijelle.com said:
If I register at Brijelle as member with a model as reference and I spend 120 credits on her ? Then that models gets 60% from that and the 130 USD bonus ?
So, I give Brijelle 120 USD and Brijelle gives the model 202 USD ?
brijelle.com said:
My apologies, this was the first time I've even been back to this thread so I didn't even notice that Isabella mentioned it here. Nobody stole my details or images. I signed up for this site a while back and the main reason I cancelled my account wasn't because of this thread, it was because I just don't have enough time to work another site. I have too much on my plate already.
Just because *I* don't like the way things were described here, doesn't mean it's a bad site. In fact, I actually kind of like the model admin layout and how easy it was to navigate and such.
I read it as you spend 120 USD on the model, of which she gets a cut and the site gets a cut, and then on top of that she gets +70usd as a referral and thus would equal " (130 USD in total)"HankTheWanker said:
Essentially you spend $120 on the model, and if she referred you, Brijelle pays her $130
Jupiter551 said:
Sorry, I did quote a to small part, the + from "+70 USD" is not on top of the share for the model but the + refers to the first part of their bonus program. (60$ bonus when the member spends 50 credits)
I don't see a rule that the members spendings must be to the referred model. I think that the models share of the 120 credits spending and the 130$ bonus are 2 different things.
btw, their 60% models share is only for that part thats bigger then 1000$ in a 2 week period. It starts with 40%, that makes their line "Best payout scheme with loyalty bonus. 60+%" a big lie ....
How is that a lie? At the most it's ambiguous.HankTheWanker said:
The BEST payout scheme can imply there are several payout schemes - at the very least you listed that there's one at 40% and one at 60+%. Which of those two would you consider the best one? I would call the "Best payout scheme 60%+"
I think it's a bit rough to start calling things 'big lies'.
I think they mean that THEIR payout sheme is the BEST compared to other cam sites. And they are suggesting that their payout scheme is 60% or more. But if you read their wiki, then its clear that their payout scheme starts at 40% and only if a model makes more then 1000$ in a 2 week period it goes to 60% (and then only for the part thats > 1000$)Jupiter551 said:
yes you are right, it's sales, it's marketing, thats so different form lies, lolJupiter551 said:
I don't know, or really care what their payout scheme is - I'm simply saying the statement is ambiguous, and calling them liars is unduly harsh.HankTheWanker said:
60+% would be an incredible rate because of the + it implies that you could get a better percentage. Lots of sites boasts that they have the best payouts. Why on earth would they say they have the worst, ya know? :lol:
And they also do the dollar/euro scam, like LiveJasmin, MFC does not do this.Jupiter551 said:
For European members 1 credit is 1 euro and when they payout the models then 1 credit is 1 dollar !
Thats another 25% of the money that goes to the cam site and not to the model, so from an Europe member only 30% goes to the model.
They are not only liars, they are fucking stealing liars !
cool banner bro :thumbleft:brijelle.com said:
but why not responding to my findings that:
- your advertised payout scheme of 60% is only for that part thats bigger then 1000$ in a 2 week period, that it starts with 40%
- that you take another 25% from european customers with the "1 euro = 1 credit = 1 dollar" trick ?
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Hello,
Answering to all of your questions and comments:
1) I am sorry to hear that you are sceptic about new sites as you have bad experiences with new sites who were scammers. I can understand that and you do it right if you are careful with new sites.
2) About the % system:
Anybody signs up the site can read and be informed about the exact % system, the 60% + is the maximum share a Performer can reach on the site in a period and yes, we are sorry in the name of those who found out and realised the effect of marketing tools in the world that we noted in the advertisement the maximum share Performers can get.
Those who consider it as a lie I need to tell you that before you call anybody liar just think about what you do while you work on any sites. You do your best to inform your Visitors what you are the best in. Why would that be different?
3) The "1 euro = 1 credit = 1 dollar” fact is not a trick, although yes may seem to be weird, I agree with that but you do not see the point and the fact that how much we give back to Models and Member with bonuses, contests etc. Also consider that we do not have any hidden charges when the Members buy credits, they also do not need to pay any extra fees for cam2cam, voice2voice, sending Messages to the Models. I know that it not an acceptable answer for you but the business planning brought this decision.
4) „And they also do the dollar/euro scam, like LiveJasmin, MFC does not do this.”
I have checked more times the Token system of such sites you consider as god sites, if you cannot realise the lie in that then please have a better look at it and count. Furthermore doing nude shows in Free chat for Tips is maybe a good way of earning money but you always forget how you make fun of yourself and sell your show for thousands of free Visitors as well who never pay any cents. I have just realised that this forum is a fan site of MFC Models and you enjoy attacking any other sites who always will be worse than the ’god’ site you work ok. If it is so I do not think that this post has any meaning as anybody says anything who is not from your favourite site will be ’bad’ and you try to push that down.
HankTheWanker and her ugly, disgusting words: ’They are not only liars, they are fucking stealing liars!’ Saying such things requires more intelligence, you do not mind at all how much the site distribute to Models and Members again, there are constantly contests, bonuses that we give to Members and Models back. All sites have hidden lies, it depends on you only if you realise i tor not.
If you love eating words then please check the wiki page of your favourite site, I have read these there: Our models are paid the highest percentage in the industry, over 60% of every Dollar spent on this website. The amount of money spent by our members is the highest in the industry. Our total model earnings, and our average earnings-per-model are the highest in the industry Do you see any lies in these sentences? If I thought with your mind dear forum readers then I would say: yes, all of the sentences are lies!
Answering to all of your questions and comments:
1) I am sorry to hear that you are sceptic about new sites as you have bad experiences with new sites who were scammers. I can understand that and you do it right if you are careful with new sites.
2) About the % system:
Anybody signs up the site can read and be informed about the exact % system, the 60% + is the maximum share a Performer can reach on the site in a period and yes, we are sorry in the name of those who found out and realised the effect of marketing tools in the world that we noted in the advertisement the maximum share Performers can get.
Those who consider it as a lie I need to tell you that before you call anybody liar just think about what you do while you work on any sites. You do your best to inform your Visitors what you are the best in. Why would that be different?
3) The "1 euro = 1 credit = 1 dollar” fact is not a trick, although yes may seem to be weird, I agree with that but you do not see the point and the fact that how much we give back to Models and Member with bonuses, contests etc. Also consider that we do not have any hidden charges when the Members buy credits, they also do not need to pay any extra fees for cam2cam, voice2voice, sending Messages to the Models. I know that it not an acceptable answer for you but the business planning brought this decision.
4) „And they also do the dollar/euro scam, like LiveJasmin, MFC does not do this.”
I have checked more times the Token system of such sites you consider as god sites, if you cannot realise the lie in that then please have a better look at it and count. Furthermore doing nude shows in Free chat for Tips is maybe a good way of earning money but you always forget how you make fun of yourself and sell your show for thousands of free Visitors as well who never pay any cents. I have just realised that this forum is a fan site of MFC Models and you enjoy attacking any other sites who always will be worse than the ’god’ site you work ok. If it is so I do not think that this post has any meaning as anybody says anything who is not from your favourite site will be ’bad’ and you try to push that down.
HankTheWanker and her ugly, disgusting words: ’They are not only liars, they are fucking stealing liars!’ Saying such things requires more intelligence, you do not mind at all how much the site distribute to Models and Members again, there are constantly contests, bonuses that we give to Members and Models back. All sites have hidden lies, it depends on you only if you realise i tor not.
If you love eating words then please check the wiki page of your favourite site, I have read these there: Our models are paid the highest percentage in the industry, over 60% of every Dollar spent on this website. The amount of money spent by our members is the highest in the industry. Our total model earnings, and our average earnings-per-model are the highest in the industry Do you see any lies in these sentences? If I thought with your mind dear forum readers then I would say: yes, all of the sentences are lies!
'her' must be 'his', this is a site for both cam-site models and cam-site members. The models here are more sophisticated and don't use words like that. The members are … ok, as cam-site owner you know how the cam-site members are …brijelle.com said:
ok, thats clear, so this is how you think about the business where you are in.brijelle.com said:
??????? What does your answer have to do with the fact that you let EU customers pay 25% more for credits then US customers ?brijelle.com said:
Come on, this is just giving you a 25% extra profit from EU customers compared to US customers and it makes all percentages given by you about payout schemes invalid.
Amber? Can I get now model status on ACF ? If needed I can give a, the highly valued, cock-cam show !brijelle.com said:
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Look, I'm French and all that so I guess I'm in a very bad position to be criticizing you on this matter, but i find your vague and blurry use of the english language suspect. What I'm looking for is clear, business-type language, not "you won't regret it bb, we do treat everyone 120% better and then virtually good by extension!!"
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brijelle.com said:
Unprofessional behavior :naughty: :snooty:
Do you really expect us to work with you when you're acting like a whiney basic? Of course we will criticize and compare, that's what we do. Your job is to defend yourself with fact and explanation, like an adult. If you're incapable of comming up with intelligent reasons why we should try your site, why the hell should we?
Also, you should probably find out the difference between models and members. Don't forget, these are the guys that you're expecting to spend money on your site.
Just so you know, I don't work on MFC, I've tried multiple, reputable sites, and I still think yours looks like a bad deal. Making European members pay more, and not putting any more into the models pocket? Thats just dishonest and greedy. Prizes aren't exactly a big exciting deal either, lots of sites have them, and there is no guarentee that any particular model will win so no one is going to budget for that.
All in all, I think you have done more to damage your sites reputation with this forum than people who have voiced negatives opinions and concerns.
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Are there actually sites that have fully functioning pricing models that take into account daily variations in foreign exchange rates? Could it be they're just trying to offer an option to Euro customers to pay in a convenient currency whether or not that, at this time, results in increased rates? Will you guys go after him that people paying in dollars are screwed when/if exchange rates favor the Euro?ShelterLight said:
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Kradek said:
At the very least Stream Mate doesn't take away 25% of what the European members spend because they feel one dollar and one euro should be treated the same way. Usually when making purchases online you should be able to spend the amount in your currency that equals the same as the other, unless I'm mistaken.
On stream mate I get my proper percentage of what was spent on me, and it doesn't matter what currency they use.
In this sites case the member pays more, to get the same thing as members elsewhere who pay less. You can't tell me that's fair, or something that takes place on all sites.
You do realize that the exchange rates between those currencies changes on a near realtime basis right? What level of difference is acceptable? How do they decide where that level falls?ShelterLight said:
So, you're advocating that you get paid based on the amount the member paid? As in, for example, you should be paid less per token on MFC if a member buys a bigger token package (should you actually work on MFC)?
I just don't get the venom that's been thrown around in this thread. If you don't like the Euro rate, pay in dollars. If you can't pay in dollars, well, sorry, you have to pay a little more. I expect the vast majority of the money comes in dollars anyway (I'd be surprised if more than 20% came in any other currency).
I would think this would be a convenience thing for European members that don't want to or can't convert to USD. It's not a scam or a lie, it's just how they run their site.
When I use my premium account on Streamate to tip GOLD, it does say "You will be billed in your own currency." I don't know about any other SM models, but I have never received a higher/lower percentage based on the currency they used.
When I use my premium account on Streamate to tip GOLD, it does say "You will be billed in your own currency." I don't know about any other SM models, but I have never received a higher/lower percentage based on the currency they used.
I haven't even looked deeply into their rules and such, I just think using words like 'liars' and such is unnecessarily abusive.
I don't have a bank account in dollars, only in euros, every payment I do in dollars will be somewhere converted to euros. I really prefer it that my own back will do that conversion for the current dollar/euro rate then that some company does do it for the "1 dollar = 1 euro" rate.AllisonWilder said:
- When I buy 200 tokens from MFC for 19.99 dollars, my credit card will be charged for +/- 15 euros, depending on the current dollar/euro rate.
- When I would buy 30 credits from Brijelle (what normally cost 30 dollars) my credit card will be charged for 30 euros.
See? In the case of Brijelle there disappears 25% of the money paid by me, because when they payout the model then 1 credit is 1 dollar again.
Payout of 60% ? No no !!! With this euro/dollar trick it is 45% !!!
(btw, did I tell that that 60% is only for the part that's thats bigger then 1000$ in a 2 week period? That they start with 40% and with this euro/dollar trick that is not 40% but 30%)
AllisonWilder said:
yes, this is how Brijelle does do business, and I think that's not so nice (normally I would use other words, but Jupiter does not like that).
HankTheWanker said:
So you could potentially pay more for MFC credits, too, depending on the current exchange rate? I live in the US and haven't traveled out of the country often so I could be misunderstanding, but it seems like the same thing to me.
HankTheWanker said:
No, the model still earns the same percentage. You may pay more, but the model does not earn less because of how a member pays.
Streamate does the exact same thing and I don't hear anyone screaming that their a scamming, lying site.
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