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LacieLaPlante said:
A bit of a tangent:

Lately my BF has been lurking my room and has been making me complain about tokens when it is slow... it makes me feel like such a token whore.

"Tell them you're putting your clothes back on if they dont tip"
"Don't do any sexy dancing, they're just gonna enjoy and not tip"

He gets MAD when I don't listen to his suggestions. He thinks guys are willing to spend more than they are on me :/

Leave me alone, I can handle it. I've been a camgirl for a year now and I know there are slow times with no tips.

How does it make you feel if girls say these kinds of things?

Haha, my husband tries to do the same thing, I just kinda say "Shut up, or get on cam yourself" and he usually shuts up :p

He tries to pull the whole "Well I know guys and how they work, and guys will get off even on a girl just doing a sexy dance half naked" -- he means well, but at the end of the day I just kind of compared it to a strip club. I asked if he'd tip a girl who was fully clothed and just sitting there doing nothing even though he (and many others) would be at that club to watch girls get naked/strip/act sexy, and he said "I see your point..." and we left it at that.

I think guys just want to feel helpful sometimes, and I know my husband gets offended if I'm not getting tipped, because he sees it as though other guys don't think I'm good enough. It's sweet, though, but it can be a bit unsettling.
 
Haha, if my bf did that I'd shoot him, but I REALLY hate being told what to do. I'd have to tell him that I don't go into his job and tell him how to do it so I'd appreciate if he didn't do that at mine. Of course, as was previously said, sometimes it is true that guys need a nudge to realize that they are not getting everything for free. It's just important to be tactful and not demand they empty their pockets for you because you feel like being rained with tokens, haha.

As for the rest of this thread I would like to say that so far I do not make anywhere NEAR $200 a day. I also do not live off of the generosity of others. I provide a service and that service needs to be paid for. Everything I do has a pre set and agreed upon price. A tip received without request for a service is no more "paying my way" than tipping your waitress or pizza guy for good service.

Just because my service is sexual in nature does not mean that it is not a service. Contrary to popular belief it is not something that everyone can do, and certainly not something everyone would do.

It takes intelligence and creativity to compete with the other models.

It takes hard work to maintain or get a nice body, or stay in shape enough to perform a reverse cowgirl on a hands free dildo stuck to a table.

It takes insanely good people skills to manage members, negotiate, and provide customer service while getting your ass pounded by a fuck machine and hoping it doesn't slip out and back into the wrong hole.

Not everyone is willing or able to do these things. That is why there are cam models to provide the service when it is paid for. It's simple supply and demand. On that same note, asking someone to lower their self worth is just crazy. Do you realize that if you walked up to a woman on the street and asked her to strip nude and fuck herself for 10 minutes and offered her $150 (2000 tokens after MFC takes their cut) not only would she slap you but you would also get arrested.

Seriously, 2000 tokens to a room full of 200 guys is only 10 tokens each. I think watching me fuck myself is worth way more than a dollar.
 
Sometimes we barely work and make a ton of money.
Sometimes we work our asses off for barely any money.
Sometimes we are in a bad mood but can't afford to take the day off.
Sometimes we are in an awesome mood but can only stay on for a couple hours.
Sometimes we are in an awesome mood but for some unknown reason no one wants to pay us for private, group, or public shows, and our mood falls.
Sometimes we slip up.
Sometimes we shine.

We are only human. All of us our different. Each day is different for each of us. On top of that, we are FEMALE. This means that each and every day our hormones change, our chemical makeup changes, our mood changes.

So not only do we have to come up with things that other people will enjoy, but we have to come up with things that we will genuinely enjoy, or pretend to enjoy something we really aren't in the mood for right now because it's what we "normally" do.

I've had days where I skated. For me, skating is making anything over $100 in 8 hours with the lower than usual effort. Divide that out, anything over $12.50 an hour is skating. When I'm making less than $10 an hour, I can't pay the bills. When I'm making less than $15 an hour, I can't pay the taxes on what I make and cover the bills, unless I work over the 40 hours a week that is the generally accepted "full time job".

What goes into planning a day on mfc?

Minimal effort is "what do I have to wear on camera that I haven't worn in awhile?"

Usual effort is "what do I have to wear on camera that I haven't worn in awhile? Which countdowns can I currently do that haven't been done in awhile? (Is he going to be home, confining me to the room, or can I do naked ddr or cooking while he's gone?) What should I put as my topic that sounds enticing?"

Above and beyond is usual + "is there anything I can advertise on twitter? what can I auction off? Which site should I work? What sort of mood am I in? How can I capitalize on that mood? Should I maybe skip to do videoes and pics? Maybe start late for a video? What member wanted ___?"

And that's just the planning. Then you have the execution.

I did a cake show for 600 tokens for my birthday bash. It took me an hour to bake the cake, 20 mins to do the show in public, and half an hour to clean the tub afterwards. Factor in that the baking was only 20 mins of work, and that's still $30 for a little over an hour. Factor in that I had to hustle for three hours to get the 600 tokens... and now you've got $30 for a little over 4 hours of work. (btw, after the cake show things picked up dramatically, so it evened out to a little over $100 for the whole night... but with teh balloons and the jeapordy, and emailing everyone about how many game tickets they had... I put a good 6 hours of planning and prep into the show, and worked for 8 hours on camera.. which means I spend a total of 14 hours getting a little over $100. Which when divided out and rounded properly is $7.14 an hour. just under minimum wage. I think it evened out to minimum wage with that little over, and when you factor in the away-time while on camera... x.x)

Every day that I work I prep both my room (the actual room, not the virtual one) and my self. I also have to break my room back down at the end, and do cleanup. You can assume that no matter how long or little I was on cam, there were at least 2 hours of activities that were related to camming which happened while not even logged into the site. That means if I "cam for 8 hours", I really worked for 10 hours.

I work six days a week. 40 hours on cam. 12 hours off-cam. 52 hours a week. Not including times when it takes more than 2 hours for set-up or cleanup (like my birthday bash). If minimum wage is $7.35 an hour, I should get $382.20 for the week. But wait! Min wage should get overtime for any hours above and beyond the 40. This means I should get an extra $44.10 for those 12 setup/cleanup hours. Which puts what I *SHOULD* be making at $426.30 a week. Otherwise, I might as well work 52 hours at a minimum wage job.

Now factor in this: insanity runs in my family. When I work a minimum wage job, I can feel my mind start to slip. Until I have the skills required to get a better job, I can't work any other job. Hopefully, I won't find my mind starting to slip in other jobs. Most likely, I will be a CPA working my own business. Girls, I will let you know when I can help you with your taxes :p (I plan to focus on two main areas: camgirls, since I'll be a former camgirl, and nonprofits, cause I like helping people.) There is the small chance, however, that camming is literally the only job that won't drive me insane. It's the only one confirmed to not drive me insane so far.
 
Well, I was in a room last night and the bitching and bickering in general got so bad that it just killed the model's mood altogether, left soon afterwards It's just amazing, some people.
 
LacieLaPlante said:
A bit of a tangent:

Lately my BF has been lurking my room and has been making me complain about tokens when it is slow... it makes me feel like such a token whore.

"Tell them you're putting your clothes back on if they dont tip"
"Don't do any sexy dancing, they're just gonna enjoy and not tip"

He gets MAD when I don't listen to his suggestions. He thinks guys are willing to spend more than they are on me :/

Leave me alone, I can handle it. I've been a camgirl for a year now and I know there are slow times with no tips.

How does it make you feel if girls say these kinds of things?






AHHHHHHH! So EFFING with you there! My fricken ex, whom I live with, will be like "how much do you charge for this?... OMFG that's too cheap!! No wonder you're not making money!!!" Um excuse me......... On fucking average I make $15 an hour including all my time online, and I don't even care that I'm begging for privates and group, me making a gallery cost 1500 TOKENS (for pictures!!!!!!) is not even going to get me ONE additional token, please leave MY JOB to ME or at least try and ASK ME ABOUT MY NOTIONS AND OBSERVATIONS before judging and saying I'm a cheap cam "model'. Or try not being some freakishly weird overcharging cam whore pimp because I'd rather be a cheap cam whore than a bad cam whore pimp.
 
REMEMBER that at any given time the percentage of Premium members in any models chat room is approximately 22-25 %. so when you ask members to tip because there are 600 people in your room there are most likely only 150 premiums ( members who can and will tip) 150-175 blue basics who can't and 300 or so freeloaders who have no intention of ever tipping because they're to cheap to join the site except as a freeloader (exceptions to every rule be noted). When you see the huge numbers of "members" watching a popular models show, every once in a while check the guest count and you will notice most of the viewers are these "members". my :twocents-02cents:
 
bud9752 said:
REMEMBER that at any given time the percentage of Premium members in any models chat room is approximately 22-25 %. so when you ask members to tip because there are 600 people in your room there are most likely only 150 premiums ( members who can and will tip) 150-175 blue basics who can't and 300 or so freeloaders who have no intention of ever tipping because they're to cheap to join the site except as a freeloader (exceptions to every rule be noted). When you see the huge numbers of "members" watching a popular models show, every once in a while check the guest count and you will notice most of the viewers are these "members". my :twocents-02cents:
:naughty: Not "can't". "Won't" or "could if they're prompted the right way." These are some of the guys that the tip reminders are aimed at.

Also, what percentage of the guests do you think are people who have a premium account but were just too lazy to sign in? Tip reminders could also be pointed at those folks who think they're just going to hop on and watch a free show real quick. If they wanna see it, they can sign in and chip in the count. ;)

Pointing out that there are a large number of viewers also notes that the model is doing something interesting enough to warrant a large room count, thus, should also be entertaining enough to warrant some tips rolling in.
 
AmberCutie said:
Also, what percentage of the guests do you think are people who have a premium account but were just too lazy to sign in?

Or too scared! I had a super adorable tip note recently from a premium who basically said, "I'm here but only logged in for 30 seconds, I'm avoiding a crazy stalker-model but I love you and I WAS NEVER HERE, byeeeeee"

lulz.

Totally off topic, sorry Bambi - I got into the wine early today :)
 
AmberCutie said:
Pointing out that there are a large number of viewers also notes that the model is doing something interesting enough to warrant a large room count, thus, should also be entertaining enough to warrant some tips rolling in.
I'm slightly cynical - large numbers of viewers doesn't imply doing something interesting all the time. Here's a fun generalisation - it isn't more than quick joke :D

Number of Viewers = (Camscore / ln(Camscore)) / the number of items of clothing being worn + 1 (add 1 to prevent divide by 0!). (ln is the natural log).

Taking approximates - if you're Aspen,
30000/ln(30000) ~ 3000. When she's naked, she'll have 3000 viewers :D If she's wearing underwear, she'd have 1000 viewers.

Take someone with camscore 200.
200/ln(200) ~ 40 - so if she's naked, she'd have 40 viewers. Now if she was wearing
panties, she'll have 20 viewers. If she's wearing a bra and panties, 13 viewers...

I left out attractiveness for obvious reasons :D
The low Camscore girl could be hotter than Aspen, it simply doesn't matter...but including attractiveness would explain how Crazysysy can sit, fully clothed, smiling at a cam and having more viewers than anyone else until the other girls are fucking their fuck machines in public... is she doing something right by sitting and smiling? :D

(don't get me wrong, I like Mary... or at least how she used to be - very chatty, friendly. The two times I quietly stopped by recently, she didn't talk at all - just sat, smiling, and typing pm's every few minutes).
 
Zoomer said:
AmberCutie said:
Pointing out that there are a large number of viewers also notes that the model is doing something interesting enough to warrant a large room count, thus, should also be entertaining enough to warrant some tips rolling in.
I'm slightly cynical - large numbers of viewers doesn't imply doing something interesting all the time. Here's a fun generalisation - it isn't more than quick joke :D

Number of Viewers = (Camscore / ln(Camscore)) / the number of items of clothing being worn + 1 (add 1 to prevent divide by 0!). (ln is the natural log).

Taking approximates - if you're Aspen,
30000/ln(30000) ~ 3000. When she's naked, she'll have 3000 viewers :D If she's wearing underwear, she'd have 1000 viewers.

Take someone with camscore 200.
200/ln(200) ~ 40 - so if she's naked, she'd have 40 viewers. Now if she was wearing
panties, she'll have 20 viewers. If she's wearing a bra and panties, 13 viewers...

I left out attractiveness for obvious reasons :D
The low Camscore girl could be hotter than Aspen, it simply doesn't matter...but including attractiveness would explain how Crazysysy can sit, fully clothed, smiling at a cam and having more viewers than anyone else until the other girls are fucking their fuck machines in public... is she doing something right by sitting and smiling? :D

(don't get me wrong, I like Mary... or at least how she used to be - very chatty, friendly. The two times I quietly stopped by recently, she didn't talk at all - just sat, smiling, and typing pm's every few minutes).
I could have clarified a bit. If a girl has a large crowd by her standards, it could mean that she's being more entertaining than usual. A large crowd for me would be 800-1500. A large crowd for a girl who isn't in the top 3 rows on the homepage might be more like 300-600. A 2nd/3rd page girl may consider a large crowd 50-200. Regardless, if her room is suddenly more full than her standard hang-out time, it's worth noting.
 
"Busy" for me is like 20-40 people, and it only happens when I'm naked in mirror set up or talking about midwifery... The only time I get tips is when I'm talking about midwifery (which is mainly talk of labor, birth, interventions, pregnancy, fetal orgins, and even chromosomal disease) which really confuses me. Someone always asks "Are you really a midwife? What do you think about water birth?" and I answer one question an the whole room gets involved. Confuses me simply because I try to avoid talkabout that stuff, it's not very sexy, but my ex says my "confidence" when I talk about it is palpable and I can talk to myself about it for days, if the room doesn't have anything to say I still can't seem to stop talking.
 
Amber - only Premiums can tip wether they are blue premiums or font changed and color changed.
Basics cannot tip because they have yet to purchase tokens and become Premium members
Guests cannot tip because they have not signed/joined up to MFC or are not allowed to have a premium account as in some models , or as you stated they were too lazy to sign on to their premium account.
When a model complains/whines about tokens when allready doing a "paid" public show , (yes I realize that not all the premiums have tipped and sometimes encouragement is needed to snap them out of their entrancement in the action)
 
bud9752 said:
Amber - only Premiums can tip wether they are blue premiums or font changed and color changed.
Basics cannot tip because they have yet to purchase tokens and become Premium members
Guests cannot tip because they have not signed/joined up to MFC or are not allowed to have a premium account as in some models , or as you stated they were too lazy to sign on to their premium account.
When a model complains/whines about tokens when allready doing a "paid" public show , (yes I realize that not all the premiums have tipped and sometimes encouragement is needed to snap them out of their entrancement in the action)
I think maybe you missed my point completely. :)
 
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