Hello, I was recently banned i guess 2 days ago when i last logged in. No warnings given and no reply from Chaturbate. From the looks of it they seem to be on a tear lately. @punker barbie i hear you are the one who may be able to help in this situation. My account is the same as my username ( thethightickler69 ) here and any help is greatly appreciated.
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Thank you @punker barbie for that but i would hardly characterize what i got as a response... it seems as though i am now permanently banned and labeled a pedophile on top of it because some user joined my room apparently and claimed to be a minor and offered something. I have no clue what this is even about nor do i recall ever interacting with this person but I'm the one who gets banned. This is actually disgusting as it means any user can get anyone banned simply by identifying as a minor and chatting with someone streaming... thats a massive loophole that needs to get resolved.... and clearly CB does not care or own any of that issue....
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Did you immediately report/ban this user or allow this person to continue without interaction on your part? Unfortunately, inaction on your part can sometimes be interpreted as compliance. Care to share a screenshot of the CB support message? Perhaps other models here can offer some advice to help resolve your situation.
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There is absolutely no guidelines on how to deal with people claiming to be a minor on Chaturbate, other then reporting them. First of all where do i even go to do that??? No where does it say inaction is seen as compliance nor does it say you must immediately ban or kick the person from your room. What happens if i dont even see the message to begin with? I rarely look at my chat unless its someone with tokens chatting, so now im at fault for not checking this?? This is a total cop out by CB to protect themselves from any wrong doing and shifting the blame to performers.
This is the lovely copy paste message i have recevied from support, I immediatley replied asking for proof of what they are claiming with no response of course...
This is honestly pathetic on there part and anyone receiving this message should be upset and rightfully so. I am no top earner but i bring in money for sure and to be labelled as a pedophile and banned with no response on there part with actual proof is disgusting and shameful. I hope they get what they deserve for this blatant defamation they are spewing out.
"Recently, we received a report about someone offering prohibited content. This individual was immediately banned from the Chaturbate platform. In reviewing the individual’s account and offer, everyone they attempted to engage with their offer of prohibited content was placed in a suspension pending review. In reviewing your interactions, we found that you expressed interest in their prohibited offer. As a result, in accordance with our zero-tolerance policy with respect to the exploitation of minors, your account was terminated and you were permanently banned from the Chaturbate platform. The balance of your tokens will be issued in a final payment. Any accounts accessed in violation of this permanent ban will be subject to termination without warning and all associated amounts deemed forfeit."
This is the lovely copy paste message i have recevied from support, I immediatley replied asking for proof of what they are claiming with no response of course...
This is honestly pathetic on there part and anyone receiving this message should be upset and rightfully so. I am no top earner but i bring in money for sure and to be labelled as a pedophile and banned with no response on there part with actual proof is disgusting and shameful. I hope they get what they deserve for this blatant defamation they are spewing out.
"Recently, we received a report about someone offering prohibited content. This individual was immediately banned from the Chaturbate platform. In reviewing the individual’s account and offer, everyone they attempted to engage with their offer of prohibited content was placed in a suspension pending review. In reviewing your interactions, we found that you expressed interest in their prohibited offer. As a result, in accordance with our zero-tolerance policy with respect to the exploitation of minors, your account was terminated and you were permanently banned from the Chaturbate platform. The balance of your tokens will be issued in a final payment. Any accounts accessed in violation of this permanent ban will be subject to termination without warning and all associated amounts deemed forfeit."
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@punker barbie is there anyway CB will provide any sort of proof to the claims they have made when terminating my account as i dont understand how i can get wiped from CB with no proof of what i did wrong. How can i just get perma banned from CB because they did not implement any preventative measures to make sure only adults are on there site and also having to police my own room and watch for anyone claiming to be a minor while performing. There is nothing in the TOS saying i am responsible for what is said in my chat room nor does it say what should be done on my part if someone says something to the effect that they are a minor. Chaturbate needs to accept the fact that they fucked up and stop remove my ban as me not kicking/reporting someone claiming to be a minor does not mean i condone that behavior, it means i didnt see it or if i did had no guidelines on what to do in that moment.
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I get a few a month saying they are minors. I immediately block. screen shot. report. and shut the stream off and email support to show I banned the person claiming to be a minor. I can see how it can get missed if tip menus and the chat is crazy fast. CB is the fastest acting site to catch things like that compared to Streamate and CamSoda. Like so fucking Fast!
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You see that to me is crazy. Why would I need to shut down the stream, especially if i am mid goal with active tippers. That could potentially cost me repeat visitors, make me look like an asshole and look like I'm stealing tips all for covering CB's negligence. This is not a streamers problem, CB is the one who dropped the ball and the fact that they punished people like myself and so many other for there own problem is disgusting. I cannot understand why they also now refuse to respond or provide any proof of there claims as well. Thankfully this is not my main source of income , but for many others it is and they just take it away without a shred of proof of the disgusting claims being made about myself and others.
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This is what I was talking about a few weeks ago. Believe me, this can happen to anyone, even if you do all the steps described above every time, but one day you missed it!
Chaturbate does not pay models for such reports, and these actions actually require you to take your attention away from the paying user, potentially losing profits. Will Chaturbate compensate you for this? Of course not.
You can also be on another site (Chaturbate does not prohibit multi-stream broadcasts), and are not obliged to follow every message. You may not even notice it (for example, if the Lovense gives commands several times).
Any such accusations require evidence and the right to an explanation of the situation, Especially when Chaturbate reserves the right to report this to the relevant services. Where, of course, they can indicate your data.
So this is actually a very serious question. And don't blame the people who don't report such messages right away. Chaturbate has done nothing to make this easier with the click of a button.
So I will repeat once again, anyone can get into this situation, simply not having time to do it in the mythical timing, which is determined by the mood of the one who is investigating this issue.
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You have been repeatedly told about all of the ways to filter out situations like this and yet you continue to insist it's Chaturbate's insistence to just ban people who run afoul with no recourse and yet you yourself are still unable to broadcast because you broke rules and claim you didn't. You're an unreliable narrator and I caution anyone who speaks with you on here to take it with a grain of salt. Or a mountain. Their choice.
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Let's start with the fact that I can broadcast on Chaturbate because all my accounts have been fully restored! Before making such statements, you could have taken the time to check this by going to my account!
I've already gotten used to the fact that you constantly shut me up and try to slander me, this is very ugly on your part!
Yes, I still maintain that Chaturbate makes mistakes and I have become a victim of it. Because I didn't really break the rules and I didn't do it what they said . I think my work account is proof of that. Isn't that right?
And what I said earlier is that Chaturbate doesn't pay you for taking time off from your stream to do the messaging process, which is quite difficult for many, because there are no necessary clues. If this text were highlighted and offered you the opportunity to report it with one button, it would be much easier, wouldn't it?
Or can you cut out the fact that the model might not notice the chat message when she has been chatting for a long time on another site? Prove it to me with facts. Or are you only capable of talking nonsense about me, making me out to be a liar?
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It's not difficult at all. Stop playing the victim. I have been on Cb for12 years and never had problem.
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So maybe you do have some evidence to support your claim that I can't broadcast because I broke the rules?
Or are you ready to admit your mistake and apologize instead of throwing mud at me further?
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As you rightly noted, you have been on Chaturbate for 12 years and really know what to do in such cases. But what should less experienced models do in such cases? How can they learn this if for the very first offense, without any explanation of the necessary actions, they receive a permanent block?
Please note that in this case (as the author claims), this message was not noticed. This user has not received any response to their message/suggestion. How can we say that the model showed interest in this?
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The chat carried out in a models room is the models responsibility to moderate, that is part of the job is running the room, if someone is on so many sites that they cant moderate their chat effectively they should consider reducing the amount of sites they are on. This is the equivalent of getting pulled over for speeding and saying "I wasn't looking at how fast I was going, I was paying attention to all the other things going on"
In the case of OP he allowed someone claiming to be a minor to engage in adult activities with him (talking on an adult site is an adult activity). Banning that user should be common sense, there are also bots that can be set up to prevent those messages coming up in chat. Shown interest can be associated by not kicking the member, it's literally showing an interest in having that member in the room by not removing them from the room.
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Have you ever lost messages from users? For example, when bots give commands and messages rise higher. Is it possible to lose a message, for example if the chat is too active?
It's good if you have moderators who can monitor this. What if none of them were in the room? Or were you engrossed in another site that was bringing you income right now?
Even imagine a situation where you were just in PM with other users, and the message was written in a public chat?
Or a situation when the message was written in PM, but due to the large flow you simply did not have time to open them all. They went into a private chat and then ended the broadcast.
And not everyone can set up bots decently well, especially when you are a new or inexperienced model.
And I repeat, if minors can actually access the site, it's a site security issue, not a model issue. You can't ask them for a passport. You honestly provide your document in order to get to the adult site.
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Can I ask one question? When you try to log into your account, you may log in (and see a message that your account has been blocked), or you get a login error and can't sign in?
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Managing the chat is part of the job. There is no "but what if" regardless of anything going on moderating the chat in each of your rooms is part of the job you are doing.
Just because a message is in PM dosnt mean that the TOS of the site dosnt apply and just because you have members talking in pm dosnt mean that you dont need to be monitoring the chat.
Basically the situation dosnt matter. The job is to run the room, that includes moderating the chat, it's the models responsibility, you can throw excuses for why you cant do it, but they are just that, excuses.
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This is not a search for justification, but real situations that can affect anyone. Ignoring is not consent. And the accusations of pedophilia are serious enough to be brought without strong evidence! Please note that Chaturbate reserves the right to transfer this information to relevant services, so your data may end up there.
In situations where it is justified (the user or model is in correspondence about it) This is fine. But when in essence these are empty accusations.
Believe me, I wouldn't want children to have access to such resources either, but the fact that such situations are increasingly being used to deliberately block models is truly frightening. Most often, these users create such accounts in large numbers, I don't know how they top up their accounts to be able to write, but I don't think they attach their real credit cards that can be tracked.
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KingMarti
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By ignoring it you have allowed for it to be there, so in this case yes, it is consenting to that happening
Yes they are serious, which is why any mention of minors results in a ban.
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Of course, you can do this when you get acquainted with a large list of applications, find the one you need.
After that, you will need experience to collect a list of words that can be used as suspicious or unwanted.
I bet the first words added will be some kind of insult. No one thinks about minors after getting on the stream only after uploading documents lol.
So filters are good when you have experience and understand that there is an app of this kind on this list. Or do you want to say that from the first day of the broadcast you knew all the nuances?
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They are serious after receiving major sanctions. And every violation costs them a pretty penny. There is no real interest in the situation here to prevent minors from accessing the site.
I can get access just by clicking the button "yes I am 18" and no one checks it. Do you think children won't lie about this if they want to gain access?
You can also create an account without verifying your age. But it doesn't seem like the model should or can control this!
Yes, discussing minors is a violation. But the key word is discussion.
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KingMarti
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I would say the fines, loss of credit card processors would be a very real interest in preventing minors from using the site.
yes, that's the way the internet has always been, it removes liability from the site. The issue is when a memeber says they are a minor and the model allows them to continue being in the room at that point they are knowingly engaging with a member in an adult context.
Yes the model doesnt control account creation, but the model can control who is chatting in their room, if someone says they are a minor it is the models responsibility to remove that person from their room and report the member to the site.
Every message posted into a chat is considered a discussion, they are engaging in the convocation by posting in the chat.
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Personally, I found the chat filters on chat settings before I ever streamed for the first time.
Then every time someone said something during my stream that I didn't want to see in my chat, I would ban them, then also ban the words I didn't like. It only took a few weeks of streaming before my chat filters would block almost all the bullshit. I hardly ever deal with weirdos or assholes anymore, because no one can see them type in my chat!
It really isn't as hard as you are making it out to be. I stream on 3 sites at a time and have no issues with banning offensive people or sending in a quick report on all 3 sites, and I typically have over 4000 viewers (combined). It's still not that difficult.
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I agree with you when you speak English well. And you don't need a translator for most messages. Trust me, translating apps is a real pain.
For complete understanding, you are talking to a person who for several years thought that the word "minor" relates to music. I think there is no need to explain that I also pronounced it incorrectly. My translator, for some reason (5 years ago), did not translate this word at all. In the context that could be used on the site.
And frankly, Americans are too polite to correct me. Many even find my pronunciations fun. And when I don't know/remember a word, I just explain it in other words until someone writes it down for me.
Many people here forget that Chaturbate gathers people from all over the world, and at best most people speak basic English (in many countries basic does not mean conversational) Rather, it is several dozen words and an understanding of how to put it together into a simple phrase. So what is really simple for you is a big challenge for many others.
Chaturbate doesn't have an automatic translator, and if you use the one built into Google, it's quite a challenge.
So in this situation I can believe that the model didn't even see this message. Or she could also have read the word incorrectly. Your brain mistakenly produces the word that sounds similar and is familiar to you. To be honest, I don’t even remember using this word anywhere in an educational institution. I think we used words like child, children, teenager. Minors is something more formal, so it's unlikely to be in the basic vocabulary.
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Users get by with just blocking, but most often this is an empty account (without documents), so a real intruder can simply create another email and turn on a VPN. And he's back on the site, writing messages to other models, who are subsequently banned.
I don't know what the point of this is, maybe it brings pleasure to someone, or one of the banned users / ill-wishers takes revenge on you, knowing that it could lead to a permanent ban. Do you think these people don't work on this forum? Or don't they have their own forums to discuss how to ban girls?
I accidentally came across a Russian forum, and believe me, the way they call models, you wouldn't like it. They also exchange recordings of broadcasts and tell blackmail schemes. I was just a guest and had limited access, but that was enough for me. But I also saw discussions of similar model ban schemes. Yes, most of their actions are indifferent to US models.
They also discussed that Chaturbate is set to "catch" such words and phrases only in English. If they write to you on any other, their "scheme" will not work.
Oh, we also discussed the possibility of transforming words so that your filters don't catch them. For example, case sensitivity, adding hyphens, and all that stuff. In this case, your filter (bot) will skip this word, and if you don't speak English well, your translator won't be able to translate this word correctly. But the AI of Chaturbate will most likely recognize this .
So don't tell me these are excuses, this is a real problem that Chaturbate is deliberately ignoring, just brushing it off instead of solving it.
As I understand it, in your case this will not work, because you will recognize this word and simply block this user. But don't tell me this problem doesn't exist.
This does not apply only to words related to minors. There were many different words, but I couldn't cope with the translation, and I didn't want to rewrite each one. Although there are some words I would never associate with the sex industry, but I do not wear and do not know all the slang.
It is already noticeable to many, but I will repeat myself. I use a translator, so correct me if I'm wrong. I can explain if some phrase is not clear.
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no they are excuses, at the end of the day it comes down to.
Do the job properly or dont do it. If you can't manage a room because you are on too many sites, be on less sites, if you can't run a room I English then run it in your native language, your excuses don't remove your responsibility's.
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plenty of models/studios use translators and don't get dinged for engaging in underage content... numeral numbers are practically universal, including different writing systems.
also why is this person still hijacking every cb banned thread? spend that energy on other sites and take responsibility for your actions, or lack thereof.
also why is this person still hijacking every cb banned thread? spend that energy on other sites and take responsibility for your actions, or lack thereof.
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This sentiment is something that should be repeated more frequently.
And another "apologies don't undo wrongdoings".
Excuses and apologies are rampant in these ban threads.
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