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Is Paxum Bank a good choice for payouts from most of the sites? CB support sent me this list of fees below. But Paxum will not open accounts because I'm from the US, they pointed me to Paxum Bank - which I guess is affiliated. If anyone uses Paxum Bank on Chaturbate, could you confirm whether the fee is $0.50?

Regarding privacy, if the account is an LLC business, do they preserve the secrecy of your name for all transactions and only identify the LLC?

Thanks!

Paxum ($50.00 minimum) $0.50 Processing Fee
CosmoPayment ($50.00 minimum) $1.00 Processing Fee
Bitcoin ($200.00 minimum) $3.00 Processing Fee
Fedex ($200.00 minimum) $40-$80 Processing Fee
Wire transfer ($500.00 minimum) $45 Processing Fee
Skrill ($50.00 minimum) 1.25% Processing Fee not to exceed $25.00
Checks (may take 2-4 weeks to arrive) $0 Processing Fee
Direct Deposit (only available for USA banks)
 
Is there some reason you don't want to use a traditional bank like Chase or Wells Fargo?
 
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Is there some reason you don't want to use a traditional bank like Chase or Wells Fargo?
Major banks like those are not friendly to Adult work. Also, I'm finding it difficult in Florida because all of the banks want the Sunbiz public record for the LLC registration to contain my real identity - which I will not do. They will not even discuss proof of ownership in any other way, which could be done via the Registered Agent that did the business registration. The only alternative they offer is for me to use my SSN instead of my EIN. And that pierces the veil of liability protection. So their business policies are leaving me with no choice but to look elsewhere.

Nobody has experience with Paxum Bank?
 
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I use Paxum to receive payments from many sites. I forward the money on from paxum to my actual bank account - so i cant help with what it might be using it as a bank, but as an in -between it works very well for me. the sites pay into my paxum and i move the money on.

In my experience, been using them for the past few years, they are mostly reliable - the transfers from paxum to my bank are mostly instant, but there has been occasions with delays. They also offer a mastercard option which I used before with success, usingee the funds in paxum, paying with card or withdrawing cash from atm.

The fees are correct - the exchange rate is not ideal always and they charge $2.50 for each transfer out to my bank account.
 
Can Paxum even be considered a bank? Wouldn't it be more like a wallet?

I used Paxum for a little more than a year and it worked fine, never had any problems with it beyond support being useless (but the same goes for any other service I tried so...). Overall a good service.
 
I can't be positive, but I think these are all about paxum.com. From what I understand, they are a subsidiary to Paxum Bank. But Paxum Bank seems to be the only place where US citizens can have accounts.

I tried getting answers before I applied - just got pointed to the links I had already read. So I applied and ran into a mountain of expected documentation for a business account. They are looking for Government documents that don't even exist for a small business, one-person LLC
[Certificate Of Incorporation, Company Directors Register (List of all active directors), Company Shareholder Register, Memorandum of Association or Bylaws, Declaration Statement, Sample Contract with WebCam Model, Proof of Identity, Proof of Address - which is a UPS mailbox, so a lease agreement is one option.]

It's quite absurd, like they expect you to be a multi-million corporation when you're a little LLC!
I contacted my "Account Rep" Khalida, in WhatsApp, and he seemed to want to get rid of me as fast as he could. Never explained anything, just said "this does not seem possible that you will be able to open an account with us using an alias." But I told him that I wasn't trying to use the alias to open the bank account. I just wanted assurances that my real identity will never be disclosed. Also said these documents don't really exist. He responded "I am sorry but we will not be able to accommodate your business at this point." I asked why not? You need to expose names? Why is this necessary? No response. Finally, I asked for a supervisor because he's not explaining anything. Still no reply.

This bank issue is becoming a real pain in the ass. Cosmo seems to kill you with fees for business accounts. Both types have a monthly fee of 199.00 GBP (about $250 today). And then there are fees to receive and send the money.
  • Business Account with International WIRE Transfer- With this option, once you have funds in your business account, you will be able to send wire transfers directly to your Corporate bank account, see conditions below:
    • Monthly fee: 199.00 GBP
    • Wire out fee: 35 GBP + 2%. [So $235 for 10,000 USD]
    • Sub-ABL to ABL transfer: 5.00 USD [Seems to be for studios. Sub-ABLs are for models to have accounts in their own names - needed for MFC and OF?]
    • Fee for receiving payments from the websites and sending loads to cards: 3.00 USD [on top of the fee charged by CB]
    • Minimum amount to Wire out: 10,000 USD per transfer [holy shit!]
    • Note: you can only Wire out to your own corporate bank account, which needs to be approved in our system during the onboarding process. Corporate documents will be required. [No idea how much, could be as bad as Paxum Bank.]
  • Basic Business Account - With this second option, once the funds are in your business account, you and your models can open Cosmo card accounts at cosmopayment.com. Finally, you will send payments to the Cosmo cards. With the cards users can shop online, in-stores, withdraw at ATMs, and make local bank transfers in selected jurisdictions, see conditions below:
    • Monthly fee: 199.00 GBP
    • 3.00 USD fee for receiving payments from the websites
    • 3.00 USD fee for sending payments to any Cosmo personal card
    • Sub-ABL to ABL transfer: 5.00 USD
    • It is important to note that this option does not allow funds to be sent from your Cosmo business account to your corporate bank account - you can only send funds to Cosmo card accounts.
 
Perhaps I'm an idiot, but I stayed as an independent contractor so I didn't have to do all of this stuff. Perhaps that's why I've never had an issue with the banks or my deposits?
 
Can Paxum even be considered a bank? Wouldn't it be more like a wallet?

I used Paxum for a little more than a year and it worked fine, never had any problems with it beyond support being useless (but the same goes for any other service I tried so...). Overall a good service.
I believe they are both payment processors, although Paxum Bank may be an actual bank.
 
Perhaps I'm an idiot, but I stayed as an independent contractor so I didn't have to do all of this stuff. Perhaps that's why I've never had an issue with the banks or my deposits?
I don't think independent is the issue, it's whether you are just a sole proprietor with no business structure and an SSN, and no liability protection, or an LLC business with an EIN.

Technically, as long as it's a sole proprietor, and funds are kept/managed separate then the bank account can be a personal account, and not a business account. But most resources I've found indicate the safest way to ensure liability protection is with a business account - and in FL, that is what is causing the problem. If you want to identify your business name, anyone can look the business up in the Sunbiz registry. Keep your name off that record and the banks all say sorry - you need to use your SSN on the bank account. I'm not certain if that messes with the liability protection - and I think that's what I need to research now. There doesn't seem to be another way to do this that I've found.
 
I don't think independent is the issue, it's whether you are just a sole proprietor with no business structure and an SSN, and no liability protection, or an LLC business with an EIN.

Technically, as long as it's a sole proprietor, and funds are kept/managed separate then the bank account can be a personal account, and not a business account. But most resources I've found indicate the safest way to ensure liability protection is with a business account - and in FL, that is what is causing the problem. If you want to identify your business name, anyone can look the business up in the Sunbiz registry. Keep your name off that record and the banks all say sorry - you need to use your SSN on the bank account. I'm not certain if that messes with the liability protection - and I think that's what I need to research now. There doesn't seem to be another way to do this that I've found.
Ok all of that makes sense to me, what doesn't make sense to me is why you want LLC protection. No snark and not an attack or anything, I genuinely don't understand why a person in our business would need that.
 
Major banks like those are not friendly to Adult work. Also, I'm finding it difficult in Florida because all of the banks want the Sunbiz public record for the LLC registration to contain my real identity - which I will not do. They will not even discuss proof of ownership in any other way, which could be done via the Registered Agent that did the business registration. The only alternative they offer is for me to use my SSN instead of my EIN. And that pierces the veil of liability protection. So their business policies are leaving me with no choice but to look elsewhere.

Nobody has experience with Paxum Bank?
Hi! You can absolutely register a biz in Florida and conceal your identity - you need to do it with a registered agent as you mentioned.

You'll pay a little each year to the agent who will be your official registered thing on your business. It's super simple and easy. And the banks will use your EIN then

My accountant was able to set this up for me (DiTa - if you google it you'll find her).

Don't use paxum bank.

Are you trying to open a business account specifically? Are the concerns with privacy what exactly - the bank sharing your real name with who?

While the major banks mentioned (chase and wellsfargo) are both not friendly to sex work you can still use them. Many sex workers do. They only close your accts if you get a report or flag somehow. If you go that route (and honestly best practice for us) is to have accts at multiple banks. I have my business acct with chase, a credit card there also, then i have a personal acct with wellsfargo, and then I have a credit union personal account, and another account in another country where I have citizenship. This makes me feel a lot more secure that if i lose access to one account I'll be able to access funds quickly.
 
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Ok all of that makes sense to me, what doesn't make sense to me is why you want LLC protection. No snark and not an attack or anything, I genuinely don't understand why a person in our business would need that.
Everyone who is in this business for a length of time should at least CONSIDER an LLC. It's the best thing I ever did for my biz..

It provides a safety net, legitimacy when buying a house, getting loans, getting business banking.. even renting goes smoother. When i moved states it was MUCH easier to get my apartments to accept my income they were like "oh you have an llc? Great? and your business is moving with you and you work online? 2 years tax returns?" easy. done. It made me look legitimate and avoided more awkward questions.

It also has certain tax benefits (you can also get them with various other forms of incorporation that I dont fully understand but LLC is the most common).

It provides me with legal protection if say.. a model i work with decides to sue me or something.

It also provides me with a layer of protection - when I write checks for example, from my business account to models they are all under my LLC so I don't have to share my name if I'm just hiring them for services.
 
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Hi! You can absolutely register a biz in Florida and conceal your identity - you need to do it with a registered agent as you mentioned.

You'll pay a little each year to the agent who will be your official registered thing on your business. It's super simple and easy. And the banks will use your EIN then

My accountant was able to set this up for me (DiTa - if you google it you'll find her).

Don't use paxum bank.

Are you trying to open a business account specifically? Are the concerns with privacy what exactly - the bank sharing your real name with who?

While the major banks mentioned (chase and wellsfargo) are both not friendly to sex work you can still use them. Many sex workers do. They only close your accts if you get a report or flag somehow. If you go that route (and honestly best practice for us) is to have accts at multiple banks. I have my business acct with chase, a credit card there also, then i have a personal acct with wellsfargo, and then I have a credit union personal account, and another account in another country where I have citizenship. This makes me feel a lot more secure that if i lose access to one account I'll be able to access funds quickly.
Yes, the LLC is registered, the Articles of Organization is clean. The DBA name is in process. The tax benefits are really not much different than if I were doing a regular sole proprietorship without an LLC. This isn't my first business, just my first one in this industry.
"It also provides me with a layer of protection - when I write checks for example, from my business account to models they are all under my LLC so I don't have to share my name if I'm just hiring them for services." BINGO! That's why I'm registering the DBA name, which would be used in any written agreements - like if I want to outsource media production work or any other services. And that's why I'm being so insistent on the protection of my real name with the banks. Others need to know the business name, but if a signature is required, which is sometimes necessary, I need a legal alias. The State has all these provisions for registering the LLC and DBA (Fictitious Name). It's the bank required paperwork where the hang-up is coming from.

The banks will not open a business account if my real name is not in Sunbiz. They either force you to add it to Sunbiz, or they make you use your SSN for the account instead of the EIN. I need to follow up on that more, because I was under the impression that messes with the LLC protections. That may have been a bad assumption. It seems that as long as you manage finances separately, and don't mix personal and business monies, it may be ok. Most google search hits strongly recommend using a business account, but it just seems like it comes with heavier fees and scrutiny. And the benefits they list are not mostly relevant for a single-owner LLC - except for the mention of "may invalidate LLC protections." The number of transactions shouldn't be an issue, so...

The Chase business accounts manager was very clear that they don't support any business in the Adult industry - of any kind. Same for Citi and BofA, although the BofA woman I met said "just open it and don't be so honest about what it's for." I'm guessing that you didn't disclose that to Chase? I'm trying to do this without hiding that info - nothing here is illegal. And I honestly don't know how they can legally deny the account, but some fights I'd rather not fight. They seem to lump all sex work together and everything gets the stink of illegal prostitution. I've seen conflicting stories on PNC, with regard to adult-friendly. If I lived in Wisconsin, it wouldn't be an issue - they don't have a Sunbiz (frickin FL sunshine laws!)

I thought personal accounts run a risk related to "piercing the veil" of LLC liability protection, but I've been researching that and it may not be true - might be the way to go with a personal account at some little credit union that doesn't have time to figure out or care who it is that's sending the ACH deposits. Chase indicated that they have a list of businesses blocked, but it sounds like you're getting paid just fine, so maybe that was BS.

I don't know exactly how you're working with models (collabs, studio, etc). I've heard that RO studios try to control everything about the money. And one thing Cosmo said was that MFC and OF require those payments to go to accounts in the content creators' own names. So they have this elaborate sub-account mechanism where the sub-account is in the model's name, but the money is under the primary's control. I think I need to pay $5 and go to that "ask a legal question" website to get the clear answer on the LLC veil. I'm not taking this to my attorney. He's too expensive and I really don't want him knowing about it. (btw, if anyone knows a good adult entertainment lawyer in FL, I'm all ears.)
 
Girl you don’t tell the bank that your biz is adult lol…

You gotta lieeee. Don’t tell the chase banker what you’re doing!! Or rather you don’t have to lie but just don’t mention that it’s adult. You’re an online content creator.

Same goes for immigration, cops, renting - anything like that. Don’t tell them what you really do.

Chase does not care where your ach Comes from. We all bank w chase.. loads of us. They KNOW what the company names are that are depositing to us. They will not shut you down just for getting paid from Onlyfans or what not - they will shut you down if someone complains or you raise red flags.

And yes chase will set up a business acct w your LLC and your EIN .. that’s how mine is.

I have this straight from the mouth of a Chase loss prevention analyst who helps them put these systems in place.

As far as personal accounts and LLC protection I’m not sure why that would be relevant. I get paid into my business accts and then pay myself into my personal accts. My business acct is used for business spending only.

As far as how I work w other models, it’s colab a or hiring for paid shoots, occasionally I’m hiring other help also. I also hire assistants.

Adult entertainment lawyer - I use Corey Silverstein. He’s pricey though. Not Florida based but he does all states.

OF and MFC pay to my business name and my EIN no problem.

I think you’re over complicating this all a bit. A DBA makes sense, or a registered agent.

Also, you don’t have to register your biz in Florida. You could register it in another state there are loads of services for this - plenty of tax shelter states etc. I like Florida because they have no state taxes but I don’t even live there anymore or work there.

Hire an adult cpa to walk you through all this. I bet DiTa would be fantastic for this she specializes in helping you set this stuff up and she has offices in Florida.
 
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Girl you don’t tell the bank that your biz is adult lol…

You gotta lieeee. Don’t tell the chase banker what you’re doing!! Or rather you don’t have to lie but just don’t mention that it’s adult. You’re an online content creator.

Same goes for immigration, cops, renting - anything like that. Don’t tell them what you really do.

Chase does not care where your ach Comes from. We all bank w chase.. loads of us. They KNOW what the company names are that are depositing to us. They will not shut you down just for getting paid from Onlyfans or what not - they will shut you down if someone complains or you raise red flags.

And yes chase will set up a business acct w your LLC and your EIN .. that’s how mine is.

I have this straight from the mouth of a Chase loss prevention analyst who helps them put these systems in place.

As far as personal accounts and LLC protection I’m not sure why that would be relevant. I get paid into my business accts and then pay myself into my personal accts. My business acct is used for business spending only.

As far as how I work w other models, it’s colab a or hiring for paid shoots, occasionally I’m hiring other help also. I also hire assistants.

Adult entertainment lawyer - I use Corey Silverstein. He’s pricey though. Not Florida based but he does all states.

OF and MFC pay to my business name and my EIN no problem.

I think you’re over complicating this all a bit. A DBA makes sense, or a registered agent.

Also, you don’t have to register your biz in Florida. You could register it in another state there are loads of services for this - plenty of tax shelter states etc. I like Florida because they have no state taxes but I don’t even live there anymore or work there.

Hire an adult cpa to walk you through all this. I bet DiTa would be fantastic for this she specializes in helping you set this stuff up and she has offices in Florida.
Not a girl, btw. And honesty is a double-edged sword, I agree. But omission isn't as big a problem for me.
Chase business acct for a FL business, EIN and no real name on the Sunbiz record? Hmm.
LLC protection is necessary because I have large personal wealth. But I think I can maintain that with a dedicated personal account for the business.
I'll look into DITa and Silverstein, thanks.
The OF and MFC info was just based on Cosmo describing their services not understanding my original questions fully - I haven't researched any of that directly.
I didn't look into registering in other states, and that's already done. But FL is very hospitable to small businesses, as you mentioned, and requires that you have an address in the State.
 
Not a girl, btw. And honesty is a double-edged sword, I agree. But omission isn't as big a problem for me.
Chase business acct for a FL business, EIN and no real name on the Sunbiz record? Hmm.
LLC protection is necessary because I have large personal wealth. But I think I can maintain that with a dedicated personal account for the business.
I'll look into DITa and Silverstein, thanks.
The OF and MFC info was just based on Cosmo describing their services not understanding my original questions fully - I haven't researched any of that directly.
I didn't look into registering in other states, and that's already done. But FL is very hospitable to small businesses, as you mentioned, and requires that you have an address in the State.
Lol sorry I sorta meant it as a general “girrrrrrl” but I shouldn’t assume.

good luck! If you’re as wealthy as you say then I would just hire good expert help to get it all done properly.

Welcome to the world of adult biz payment discrimination! It’s a fun ride 😞
 
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Not a girl, btw. And honesty is a double-edged sword, I agree. But omission isn't as big a problem for me.
Chase business acct for a FL business, EIN and no real name on the Sunbiz record? Hmm.
LLC protection is necessary because I have large personal wealth. But I think I can maintain that with a dedicated personal account for the business.
I'll look into DITa and Silverstein, thanks.
The OF and MFC info was just based on Cosmo describing their services not understanding my original questions fully - I haven't researched any of that directly.
I didn't look into registering in other states, and that's already done. But FL is very hospitable to small businesses, as you mentioned, and requires that you have an address in the State.
And good luck to you, however stop making new accounts here after being banned on multiple already.
 
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Lol sorry I sorta meant it as a general “girrrrrrl” but I shouldn’t assume.
I also assumed due to the MFC comments but it seems this person is a studio owner or agent
 
Any other input about Banks and Privacy in general before I lock this up?
 
Yes, thank you for explaining everything!!! Very helpful. That's all.
 
I knew I was getting a weird vibe this person seemed really like .. ungrateful.. demanding info. sorta ignoring that people were trying to help.

I just thought oh it’s a new model who doesn’t quite “get” it and is hyperfixating on privacy. Oh well.
 
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