Athiesm and feminism

[bob]

"Men who open doors for women are guilty of 'benevolent sexism' according to a new study by feminist psychologists.
Helping the ladies choose the right computer as well as carrying their shopping are also signs of 'unseen' sexism in society, according to the report.

Referring to a group of men and women as 'guys' is also a no-no, says the research, meaning that even men who seem enlightened could be unknowingly committing daily acts of sexism.

It could also mean that women, too, are unaware of it but are unwittingly affected because it helps to create a culture of women being seen as the vulnerable sex who need a man's help.

Other examples of unseen sexism include calling women 'girls' but not referring to men as 'boys' and a man offering to do the driving on a long journey instead of a female partner.

Researchers from the Society for the Psychology of Women conducted a study among workers of both genders in America and Germany.
The volunteers were asked to keep diaries in which they were asked to note examples from a long list of both sexist and non-sexist incidents - without being told what the study was for."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lrous.html

That, if I may say so, it's bat-shit crazy feminism, to quote Megan

I can't believe I just read something from dailymail.co.uk though :roll:

:lol:
my first thought was "yeah...bat shit crazy about covers it"
but maybe it's the sense of obligation that those woman are talking about
i came of age at the same time that feminism emerged as "a movement"....it started out simple enough (all really good ideas are simple on the surface, imo)
we'd all just been programmed to behave in certain ways and expect certain things (talking about the kinds of things that these woman are, and that ChrryBlossom mentioned a few posts back).....it wasn't so much that these things were "bad" as that we'd lost all touch with their meaning: they were just habit, and they became "bad" because we know longer recognized them as anything but obligation and expectation.

once i started thinking of them that way, i was -in the vernacular- "empowered to choose" if i wanted to do them or not....and why.

some of the things are just plain stupid.....most of the women i know, for example, are plenty strong enough to deal with their own loads.....why the hell should i be "obliged" to help?....and why the hell should a woman expect me too?

so i just started paying more attention...somethings i just stopped doing....somethings i started asking about....and somethings i liked to do....

and i expect a woman to tell me if she feels all objectified by my actions.....i'm a big boy: it's neither confusing nor a big devastating rejection to be told "i can open my own door....thanks"....just don't make the mistake of thinking i do it all the time :whistle:

 

[Deleted member 8603]

I never understood getting mad about opening doors.
It's polite.

I open doors for people all the time, so does my boyfriend.

I think if women have an issue with someone opening doors for them. Instead of getting mad, open the door for them next time.
BAM, you've got equality.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I also thought there'd be more pro-feminism folk up in this hizzy

I do feel like this thread has kinda developed an 'anti-batshit crazy feminist' stance that doesn't really address feminism as an ideology and whether that ideology is still important. I would argue it is. I don't think that the existence of women who profess to be feminists and are a bit mental and hate men and want to be put on a pedestal negates the need for a movement that strives for equality.

It's only been within the last hundred years that women have been able to vote, had the right to education and had any reproductive rights. Today, if you look beyond the western world, you don't have to look hard or far before you come across women being stoned to death for having an affair, being violently oppressed and discriminated against. Even in the western world, misogyny is everywhere, the right to abortion is being debated by men, women face an uphill battle to progress in a whole host of careers, are routinely paid less than their male counterparts, are unlikely to see their rapists convicted, and are subject to a whole host of ugly stereotypes.

(Sane) feminist ideologies rally againt this stuff and have nothing to do with some woman having a shit-fit when some dood holds a door open for her, or a twisted mother denying the father of her child access rights just to prove she can :twocents-02cents:

 

[Deleted member 8603]

Thats what my point was, too, bob

"batshit crazy feminists" aren't what feminism is.
Feminism is just women are equal to men.

The batshit crazy ones are just misandrists in disguise.
Sneaky, sneaky misandrists ruining everything for the sane ladies.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I also thought there'd be more pro-feminism folk up in this hizzy

I do feel like this thread has kinda developed an 'anti-batshit crazy feminist' stance that doesn't really address feminism as an ideology and whether that ideology is still important. I would argue it is. I don't think that the existence of women who profess to be feminists and are a bit mental and hate men and want to be put on a pedestal negates the need for a movement that strives for equality.

It's only been within the last hundred years that women have been able to vote, had the right to education and had any reproductive rights. Today, if you look beyond the western world, you don't have to look hard or far before you come across women being stoned to death for having an affair, being violently oppressed and discriminated against. Even in the western world, misogyny is everywhere, the right to abortion is being debated by men, women face an uphill battle to progress in a whole host of careers, are routinely paid less than their male counterparts, are unlikely to see their rapists convicted, and are subject to a whole host of ugly stereotypes.

(Sane) feminist ideologies rally againt this stuff and have nothing to do with some woman having a shit-fit when some dood holds a door open for her, or a twisted mother denying the father of her child access rights just to prove she can :twocents-02cents:

I feel like sane feminists don't feel the need to tell everyone they are one. I have my own stances that I only speak about when it is addressed. I don't need to put it on my "about me" on my networking sites. I just spoke to a psychologist I was thinking about seeing and she told me she was a "hardcore feminist." I won't be seeing her. Why? Because people that feel the need to tell everyone their stances are usually radical in their beliefs.
Was this post even relevant? I'm not sure. Lol

 

[JordanBlack]

"Men who open doors for women are guilty of 'benevolent sexism' according to a new study by feminist psychologists.
Helping the ladies choose the right computer as well as carrying their shopping are also signs of 'unseen' sexism in society, according to the report.

Referring to a group of men and women as 'guys' is also a no-no, says the research, meaning that even men who seem enlightened could be unknowingly committing daily acts of sexism.

It could also mean that women, too, are unaware of it but are unwittingly affected because it helps to create a culture of women being seen as the vulnerable sex who need a man's help.

Other examples of unseen sexism include calling women 'girls' but not referring to men as 'boys' and a man offering to do the driving on a long journey instead of a female partner.

Researchers from the Society for the Psychology of Women conducted a study among workers of both genders in America and Germany.
The volunteers were asked to keep diaries in which they were asked to note examples from a long list of both sexist and non-sexist incidents - without being told what the study was for."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lrous.html

That, if I may say so, it's bat-shit crazy feminism, to quote Megan

I can't believe I just read something from dailymail.co.uk though :roll:

:lol:
my first thought was "yeah...bat shit crazy about covers it"
but maybe it's the sense of obligation that those woman are talking about
i came of age at the same time that feminism emerged as "a movement"....it started out simple enough (all really good ideas are simple on the surface, imo)
we'd all just been programmed to behave in certain ways and expect certain things (talking about the kinds of things that these woman are, and that ChrryBlossom mentioned a few posts back).....it wasn't so much that these things were "bad" as that we'd lost all touch with their meaning: they were just habit, and they became "bad" because we know longer recognized them as anything but obligation and expectation.

once i started thinking of them that way, i was -in the vernacular- "empowered to choose" if i wanted to do them or not....and why.

some of the things are just plain stupid.....most of the women i know, for example, are plenty strong enough to deal with their own loads.....why the hell should i be "obliged" to help?....and why the hell should a woman expect me too?

so i just started paying more attention...somethings i just stopped doing....somethings i started asking about....and somethings i liked to do....

and i expect a woman to tell me if she feels all objectified by my actions.....i'm a big boy: it's neither confusing nor a big devastating rejection to be told "i can open my own door....thanks"....just don't make the mistake of thinking i do it all the time :whistle:

When I'm thinking of Feminism, I'm looking at some countries in Africa, where females are having their genitals mutilated, I'm thinking of women in some countries in Middle East having their right to education denied, I'm thinking of females in America having more then one abortion clinic per state (in some states), women in South America having rights to go to the authorities because they were raped, without being denied assistance.

I'm talking about serious stuff, not thinking of some woman refusing to have her groceries carried, because it's a trend.

I'm confused lol :?

 

[PlayboyMegan]

Thats what my point was, too, bob

"batshit crazy feminists" aren't what feminism is.
Feminism is just women are equal to men.

The batshit crazy ones are just misandrists in disguise.
Sneaky, sneaky misandrists ruining everything for the sane ladies.

I agree. And love that my terminology for them is being used in every post now! Hahaha
But it's sad that even if I was a feminist, I wouldn't dare call myself one because of the bad name they've inherited by the crazies.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

"Men who open doors for women are guilty of 'benevolent sexism' according to a new study by feminist psychologists.
Helping the ladies choose the right computer as well as carrying their shopping are also signs of 'unseen' sexism in society, according to the report.

Referring to a group of men and women as 'guys' is also a no-no, says the research, meaning that even men who seem enlightened could be unknowingly committing daily acts of sexism.

It could also mean that women, too, are unaware of it but are unwittingly affected because it helps to create a culture of women being seen as the vulnerable sex who need a man's help.

Other examples of unseen sexism include calling women 'girls' but not referring to men as 'boys' and a man offering to do the driving on a long journey instead of a female partner.

Researchers from the Society for the Psychology of Women conducted a study among workers of both genders in America and Germany.
The volunteers were asked to keep diaries in which they were asked to note examples from a long list of both sexist and non-sexist incidents - without being told what the study was for."


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... lrous.html

That, if I may say so, it's bat-shit crazy feminism, to quote Megan

I can't believe I just read something from dailymail.co.uk though :roll:

:lol:
my first thought was "yeah...bat shit crazy about covers it"
but maybe it's the sense of obligation that those woman are talking about
i came of age at the same time that feminism emerged as "a movement"....it started out simple enough (all really good ideas are simple on the surface, imo)
we'd all just been programmed to behave in certain ways and expect certain things (talking about the kinds of things that these woman are, and that ChrryBlossom mentioned a few posts back).....it wasn't so much that these things were "bad" as that we'd lost all touch with their meaning: they were just habit, and they became "bad" because we know longer recognized them as anything but obligation and expectation.

once i started thinking of them that way, i was -in the vernacular- "empowered to choose" if i wanted to do them or not....and why.

some of the things are just plain stupid.....most of the women i know, for example, are plenty strong enough to deal with their own loads.....why the hell should i be "obliged" to help?....and why the hell should a woman expect me too?

so i just started paying more attention...somethings i just stopped doing....somethings i started asking about....and somethings i liked to do....

and i expect a woman to tell me if she feels all objectified by my actions.....i'm a big boy: it's neither confusing nor a big devastating rejection to be told "i can open my own door....thanks"....just don't make the mistake of thinking i do it all the time :whistle:

When I'm thinking of Feminism, I'm looking at some countries in Africa, where females are having their genitals mutilated, I'm thinking of women in some countries in Middle East having their right to education denied, I'm thinking of females in America having more then one abortion clinic per state (in some states), women in South America having rights to go to the authorities because they were raped, without being denied assistance.

I'm talking about serious stuff, not thinking of some woman refusing to have her groceries carried, because it's a trend.

I'm confused lol :?

Unfortunately, too many woman have turned it into the latter. Things in the US are pretty good about woman's rights. So they keep picking and are never satisfied, turning the word into nonsense.

 

[Nordling]

I also thought there'd be more pro-feminism folk up in this hizzy

I do feel like this thread has kinda developed an 'anti-batshit crazy feminist' stance that doesn't really address feminism as an ideology and whether that ideology is still important. I would argue it is. I don't think that the existence of women who profess to be feminists and are a bit mental and hate men and want to be put on a pedestal negates the need for a movement that strives for equality.

It's only been within the last hundred years that women have been able to vote, had the right to education and had any reproductive rights. Today, if you look beyond the western world, you don't have to look hard or far before you come across women being stoned to death for having an affair, being violently oppressed and discriminated against. Even in the western world, misogyny is everywhere, the right to abortion is being debated by men, women face an uphill battle to progress in a whole host of careers, are routinely paid less than their male counterparts, are unlikely to see their rapists convicted, and are subject to a whole host of ugly stereotypes.

(Sane) feminist ideologies rally againt this stuff and have nothing to do with some woman having a shit-fit when some dood holds a door open for her, or a twisted mother denying the father of her child access rights just to prove she can :twocents-02cents:

I feel like sane feminists don't feel the need to tell everyone they are one. I have my own stances that I only speak about when it is addressed. I don't need to put it on my "about me" on my networking sites. I just spoke to a psychologist I was thinking about seeing and she told me she was a "hardcore feminist." I won't be seeing her. Why? Because people that feel the need to tell everyone their stances are usually radical in their beliefs.
Was this post even relevant? I'm not sure. Lol

Very relevant. Just like there was a time, I felt the need to announce my atheism to everyone who'd listen and many who didn't want to listen... I've changed that stance to one where I realize that no one really cares what I think about their personal beliefs, and that I may be wrong about mine, and if so, I'm making a meaningless noise...that's also annoying. lol

 

[mynameisbob84]

I also thought there'd be more pro-feminism folk up in this hizzy

I do feel like this thread has kinda developed an 'anti-batshit crazy feminist' stance that doesn't really address feminism as an ideology and whether that ideology is still important. I would argue it is. I don't think that the existence of women who profess to be feminists and are a bit mental and hate men and want to be put on a pedestal negates the need for a movement that strives for equality.

It's only been within the last hundred years that women have been able to vote, had the right to education and had any reproductive rights. Today, if you look beyond the western world, you don't have to look hard or far before you come across women being stoned to death for having an affair, being violently oppressed and discriminated against. Even in the western world, misogyny is everywhere, the right to abortion is being debated by men, women face an uphill battle to progress in a whole host of careers, are routinely paid less than their male counterparts, are unlikely to see their rapists convicted, and are subject to a whole host of ugly stereotypes.

(Sane) feminist ideologies rally againt this stuff and have nothing to do with some woman having a shit-fit when some dood holds a door open for her, or a twisted mother denying the father of her child access rights just to prove she can :twocents-02cents:

I feel like sane feminists don't feel the need to tell everyone they are one. I have my own stances that I only speak about when it is addressed. I don't need to put it on my "about me" on my networking sites. I just spoke to a psychologist I was thinking about seeing and she told me she was a "hardcore feminist." I won't be seeing her. Why? Because people that feel the need to tell everyone their stances are usually radical in their beliefs.
Was this post even relevant? I'm not sure. Lol

I agree it's not something you need to blurt out to everybody you see. I tend to think that radical-anythings do immeasurably more to hurt their cause than they do help it.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

Thats what my point was, too, bob

"batshit crazy feminists" aren't what feminism is.
Feminism is just women are equal to men.

The batshit crazy ones are just misandrists in disguise.
Sneaky, sneaky misandrists ruining everything for the sane ladies.

I agree. And love that my terminology for them is being used in every post now! Hahaha
But it's sad that even if I was a feminist, I wouldn't dare call myself one because of the bad name they've inherited by the crazies.

You're more of a feminist than you realize.
This is one of those things that exists on a line, from feminist to neutral to antifeminist. (with misogyny and misandry being the ends of each)
Your ideals are somewhere on that line and as I don't see you saying men have the right to do anything and women should just obey, you're probably not an antifeminist.
And since you'd probably be angry if the right to vote and hold jobs were taken from women, you're probably not neutral either.

It's one of those things people are scared to call themselves because it has a bad name, but you ARE technically.
If you believe men and women are equal, you ARE a feminist to some degree.

You don't have to yell it out or anything. It's just a term.
It's not all you are.
I think a lot of people forget that there is more to a person than one or two of their beliefs.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

This is a lot more like religion than people realize.

You exist somewhere on a belief scale, from atheist to agnostic to religious in people.

You can be undecided, but if you have any opinion at all, then you're on the scale.

But you can't say you believe in god and call yourself an atheist.
And you can't say you're Christian if you think its all baloney.

 

[neneko]

Well.. I believe in God and Jesus Christ, but I cant really rationalize the bible because of the many contradictions and revisions. Ive been to church maybe 3 times in my 19 yrs of living. My grandma is kinda religious, my dad is agnostic and my mom is like me, I think.



On feminism- I actually really want to be a housewife and be in that submissive role but I would still say Im a feminist. Not to separate myself from you lovely ladies but in the black community most of our women are the primary provider and have no choice in the matter.I had a wonderful father, but 75% of my friends didnt :? Ive noticed that most black men actually like feminism, though just one aspect of it, and thats the part where women pay for everything on their own, BUT they also want you to , happily, do housewife duties. That is unacceptable to me. Its actually promoted in my community for women to do all the work and pay the bills and STILL let the man be head of the house, women brag about it. I get looked down on for wanting to be a housewife by all of my peers. Again I see nothing wrong with women working but as a black woman, Im expected to happily work my ass off, pay a good portion of the bills, have dinner ready, do most of the child-raising, keep my body right, and give amazing head and sex , and stay in a woman's place.
I kinda went on a rant I support equal pay, reproductive freedom, and most of the feminist agenda, but I also dont mind being taken care of, having dates paid for, and not being expected to carry all the financial weight. Sooo yeah I guess anti-feminists would say, I want the best of both worlds. I really dont see how equal pay, reproductive freedom, etc actually upsets some people though, it should be a given.What I want is pretty fair and shouldnt even be considered "having my cake and eating it too".

 

[Mirra]

I grew up Lutheran and enjoyed many of the opportunities I had in that community as a child. Mom left the church when I was in my early teens which opened me up to a lot of varied experiences with different Christian denominations and a couple other religions as well. From that point, I was skeptical of Christianity and since graduating High School, I've become more and more skeptical of all organized religion. Guess that means I'm a skeptic! (You're impressed with this conclusion, I know.) I don't know if I will ever progress beyond this point in either direction so I'm not exactly religious though I have a religious background but I am no atheist either.

As for feminism, I wouldn't classify myself as a feminist in particular. I think it would be wonderful if all people were equal. We would need a new cultural paradigm where classifications aren't necessary, a model where we're all human beings. There are a lot of things that would need to happen to get there, and those things vary from culture to culture. At the same time, many of the things that need to change are cultural traditions which must be slowly altered with each new generation. So, while I support some feminist issues, I would not describe myself that narrowly.

 

[bob]

When I'm thinking of Feminism, I'm looking at some countries in Africa, where females are having their genitals mutilated, I'm thinking of women in some countries in Middle East having their right to education denied, I'm thinking of females in America having more then one abortion clinic per state (in some states), women in South America having rights to go to the authorities because they were raped, without being denied assistance.

I'm talking about serious stuff, not thinking of some woman refusing to have her groceries carried, because it's a trend.

I'm confused lol :?

i don't think you are at all....there are some very real, very serious cultural issues surrounding a woman's treatment and place in society around the world, and a good number of them are reinforced by the local version of religion.....you're probably the only one actually addressing Luna's starter :thumbleft:

 

[VenPerv2]

Being raised catholic i left behind any thought of religion as soon as i could, it never really did anything for me but i still enjoy a good theological debate with people who are at least willing to listen, ill invite people preaching at my door in for tea or coffee and listen to what they have to say but i find most do not like to be questioned in return, i wont go out of my way for them but i'm at least willing to hear them out as id expect the same in return.

Atheist? not at all i think we are all here for some purpose and i think its a basic human need to have a belief in anything really its one of our defining characteristics as human beings to actually think outside of our own body and to imagine what the real reason for our existence is (outside of eating sleeping and fucking) although i wouldn't really say i'm agnostic either, there doesn't need to be a single deciding force to rule over our lives.

But i Digress, as for the notion of feminism i think its already been touched upon that at least in modern terms the definition has changed dramatically, the thought of feminism in some parts of the world could be pigeonholed into not actually feminism but basic human rights regardless of the sex of the person involved, do i think women have had it bad in the past sure, will it ever change in the future probably not, i'm trying to shy away from using the phrase "because that just how it is" but its hard not to say.

I think the term feminism itself is a bit of a misnomer and the real issue should be humanism, making someone pick sides (i.e. male/female) really detracts from the debate and until everyone is counted as a human there will always be that divide, and currently male or female most of the worlds population isn't even counted as human to much of the world.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

feminism isn't about female> men. It's about females being treated the same as men. It is only called feminism because in almost all cultures in all time it has been a patriarchal society and women having to fight for anything men had taken for granted. Should women be submissive to their man, not talk back and always agree with a man, serve them and be expected to stay home and cook and clean and take care of the children whether she wants to or not? No? Congrats, you're a feminist.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

feminism isn't about female> men. It's about females being treated the same as men. It is only called feminism because in almost all cultures in all time it has been a patriarchal society and women having to fight for anything men had taken for granted. Should women be submissive to their man, not talk back and always agree with a man, serve them and be expected to stay home and cook and clean and take care of the children whether she wants to or not? No? Congrats, you're a feminist.

But is it okay if that is what you WANT to do in life? I think most women that call themselves feminist would say no, while I say yes.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

If she chooses to stay home then that is her choice, and the power of choice in essence is the heart of feminism. Those other women have perverted the term for their own selfish ideals and actual feminists and women have suffered from it. Even in this thread women don't want to be seen as feminists because they don't want to be clumped with the Amazonian Masterhood.

 

[Nordling]

If she chooses to stay home then that is her choice, and the power of choice in essence is the heart of feminism. Those other women have perverted the term for their own selfish ideals and actual feminists and women have suffered from it. Even in this thread women don't want to be seen as feminists because they don't want to be clumped with the Amazonian Masterhood.

Exactly. Equality means freedom in the simplest essence. Equality would mean nothing if everyone was equal but had no freedom.

 

[AllisonWilder]

I'm not atheist. I'm not religious. I believe in myself because I'm the only person that I have to answer to.

I believe in equality for men and women, but I wouldn't call myself a feminist.

I also enjoy getting free drinks because I have tits and I like having my doors opened, however I'm also fine paying for drinks and opening doors for myself and others, too.

I guess I fall into the 'can't we all just peacefully co-exist as unique individuals with our own beliefs and moral compasses?' category more than anything else.

 

[VeeValencia]

I'm not atheist. I'm not religious. I believe in myself because I'm the only person that I have to answer to.

I believe in equality for men and women, but I wouldn't call myself a feminist.

I also enjoy getting free drinks because I have tits and I like having my doors opened, however I'm also fine paying for drinks and opening doors for myself and others, too.

I guess I fall into the 'can't we all just peacefully co-exist as unique individuals with our own beliefs and moral compasses?' category more than anything else.

AMEN

 

[Nordling]

I'm not atheist. I'm not religious. I believe in myself because I'm the only person that I have to answer to.

I believe in equality for men and women, but I wouldn't call myself a feminist.

I also enjoy getting free drinks because I have tits and I like having my doors opened, however I'm also fine paying for drinks and opening doors for myself and others, too.

I guess I fall into the 'can't we all just peacefully co-exist as unique individuals with our own beliefs and moral compasses?' category more than anything else.

Yups! Morality is about how well one sticks to their OWN moral compass than any general rules of others.

 

[SweepTheLeg]

I feel I should point out that though I am a feminist I will open doors for the ladies instead of yelling at her to do it her damn self and giving her an equality high five.

 

[Deleted member 8603]

If she chooses to stay home then that is her choice, and the power of choice in essence is the heart of feminism. Those other women have perverted the term for their own selfish ideals and actual feminists and women have suffered from it. Even in this thread women don't want to be seen as feminists because they don't want to be clumped with the Amazonian Masterhood.

Exactly. Equality means freedom in the simplest essence. Equality would mean nothing if everyone was equal but had no freedom.

Yup!
It's about the ability to choose what you want to do.
Any feminist who is trying to tell women what they can and can't do is a hypocrite.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I feel I should point out that though I am a feminist I will open doors for the ladies instead of yelling at her to do it her damn self and giving her an equality high five.

LMFAO!!!! Omg.

I'm not sure what the right label for me would be. I don't think it's as black and white as anti-feminist or feminist.
I'm more 50/50, I think. I believe woman should be able to have careers and get paid as much as men do and not have to stay at home cooking and cleaning. BUT I don't think it's right when women have chidren and both parents work 40hours a week. Don't have children if a nanny is going to raise them. Of course, this does not apply to single parents. I'm also pro-life *gasp*. So I really don't think I am anti-feminist nor a feminist.

 

[Nordling]

I feel I should point out that though I am a feminist I will open doors for the ladies instead of yelling at her to do it her damn self and giving her an equality high five.

LMFAO!!!! Omg.

I'm not sure what the right label for me would be. I don't think it's as black and white as anti-feminist or feminist.
I'm more 50/50, I think. I believe woman should be able to have careers and get paid as much as men do and not have to stay at home cooking and cleaning. BUT I don't think it's right when women have chidren and both parents work 40hours a week. Don't have children if a nanny is going to raise them. Of course, this does not apply to single parents. I'm also pro-life *gasp*. So I really don't think I am anti-feminist nor a feminist.

I think a person can consider themselves "feminist" even if they don't agree with a particular feminist group. It's really not a monolithic term...it's about freedom and equality, and personal choices. As far as being "pro-life," I think someone can be against most abortions and still believe that people have a choice, as opposed to putting anyone in jail if they have or perform an abortion. The President, for example, once said he's against abortions but believes in choice. As a term, "Pro-Life" is very monolithic...and doesn't allow for many choices. It's a political movement rather than a personal description...it doesn't mean that people who are "pro choice" are against life.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I feel I should point out that though I am a feminist I will open doors for the ladies instead of yelling at her to do it her damn self and giving her an equality high five.

LMFAO!!!! Omg.

I'm not sure what the right label for me would be. I don't think it's as black and white as anti-feminist or feminist.
I'm more 50/50, I think. I believe woman should be able to have careers and get paid as much as men do and not have to stay at home cooking and cleaning. BUT I don't think it's right when women have chidren and both parents work 40hours a week. Don't have children if a nanny is going to raise them. Of course, this does not apply to single parents. I'm also pro-life *gasp*. So I really don't think I am anti-feminist nor a feminist.

I think a person can consider themselves "feminist" even if they don't agree with a particular feminist group. It's really not a monolithic term...it's about freedom and equality, and personal choices. As far as being "pro-life," I think someone can be against most abortions and still believe that people have a choice, as opposed to putting anyone in jail if they have or perform an abortion. The President, for example, once said he's against abortions but believes in choice. As a term, "Pro-Life" is very monolithic...and doesn't allow for many choices. It's a political movement rather than a personal description...it doesn't mean that people who are "pro choice" are against life.

Oh, I'm actually the definition of a real pro-lifer. I believe it should be illegal. I understand that many pro-choices would not choose an abortion for themselves, but believe it should be legal. Some people may call themselves "pro-life" but if you believe it should be legal, you are not, by definition. I'm all about the definitions. Lol

 

[Nordling]

I feel I should point out that though I am a feminist I will open doors for the ladies instead of yelling at her to do it her damn self and giving her an equality high five.

LMFAO!!!! Omg.

I'm not sure what the right label for me would be. I don't think it's as black and white as anti-feminist or feminist.
I'm more 50/50, I think. I believe woman should be able to have careers and get paid as much as men do and not have to stay at home cooking and cleaning. BUT I don't think it's right when women have chidren and both parents work 40hours a week. Don't have children if a nanny is going to raise them. Of course, this does not apply to single parents. I'm also pro-life *gasp*. So I really don't think I am anti-feminist nor a feminist.

I think a person can consider themselves "feminist" even if they don't agree with a particular feminist group. It's really not a monolithic term...it's about freedom and equality, and personal choices. As far as being "pro-life," I think someone can be against most abortions and still believe that people have a choice, as opposed to putting anyone in jail if they have or perform an abortion. The President, for example, once said he's against abortions but believes in choice. As a term, "Pro-Life" is very monolithic...and doesn't allow for many choices. It's a political movement rather than a personal description...it doesn't mean that people who are "pro choice" are against life.

Oh, I'm actually the definition of a real pro-lifer. I believe it should be illegal. I understand that many pro-choices would not choose an abortion for themselves, but believe it should be legal. Some people may call themselves "pro-life" but if you believe it should be legal, you are not, by definition. I'm all about the definitions. Lol

:-D This opens an entire bucket of worms of possible conversation. lol I'll refrain.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

I feel I should point out that though I am a feminist I will open doors for the ladies instead of yelling at her to do it her damn self and giving her an equality high five.

LMFAO!!!! Omg.

I'm not sure what the right label for me would be. I don't think it's as black and white as anti-feminist or feminist.
I'm more 50/50, I think. I believe woman should be able to have careers and get paid as much as men do and not have to stay at home cooking and cleaning. BUT I don't think it's right when women have chidren and both parents work 40hours a week. Don't have children if a nanny is going to raise them. Of course, this does not apply to single parents. I'm also pro-life *gasp*. So I really don't think I am anti-feminist nor a feminist.

I think a person can consider themselves "feminist" even if they don't agree with a particular feminist group. It's really not a monolithic term...it's about freedom and equality, and personal choices. As far as being "pro-life," I think someone can be against most abortions and still believe that people have a choice, as opposed to putting anyone in jail if they have or perform an abortion. The President, for example, once said he's against abortions but believes in choice. As a term, "Pro-Life" is very monolithic...and doesn't allow for many choices. It's a political movement rather than a personal description...it doesn't mean that people who are "pro choice" are against life.

Oh, I'm actually the definition of a real pro-lifer. I believe it should be illegal. I understand that many pro-choices would not choose an abortion for themselves, but believe it should be legal. Some people may call themselves "pro-life" but if you believe it should be legal, you are not, by definition. I'm all about the definitions. Lol

:-D This opens an entire bucket of worms of possible conversation. lol I'll refrain.

For the sanity of the forum, I think that's best. xo

Anyways, without going off topic, my real point here was that it's not so black and white.