Any App That Lets Me Send Tokens to Model Directly?

[PandoraUnchained]

I'm really not sure if this is a question or a statement or what, but it doesn't make much sense. Soooooo....

Ok let met reformulate it - How do you think the "risky adult transactions" are impeding sites revenue?

You do realize that if there's more successful big name camming sites out there you'll more than likely be making less money unless you also spread yourself across all of those sites? But still, the reason why there's a handful that do so well is because of the nature of the business. Like I said before, fraud is prevalent in this industry. It goes both ways. And so, members are going to be cautious with which sites they can trust to use their payment info on, which makes it hard for there to be tons of wildly successful sites. And about having the same practices, are you talking about them taking their cut? Because that's going to be the case no matter the site. They're a business, not a charity.

i already answered to this in my first post in this topic. Cheaper tokens for users while keeping them at the same value for the model = more traffic due to more paying users.

It is true that most streaming services tend to become monopolitic. THe solution is the diversification of the format not more CB clones. Youtube basically ate all his smaller concurrents, but it doesn't cause a problem to Twitch, Netflix or Rabbit. Free chat webcam sites and private oriented sites aren't truly in competition as they address to a different public.

 

[Marceline]

Ok let met reformulate it - How do you think the "risky adult transactions" are impeding sites revenue?

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That's why payment processors label them "high risk" and charge them much higher fees.

I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that. No matter the business, if you're accepting credit/debit cards you need a payment processor. The funds don't just magically get transferred from the customer's account to the company's account without one. The payment processors are also a company, so they charge the merchants a fee to do this. It's the reason why some businesses require a minimum purchase amount to run cards and why some businesses don't accept cards at all. It costs them money with each swipe. Since there's more fraud and more people doing chargebacks and what not when it comes to purchases within the adult industry, the payment processors charge higher fees than other companies are subjected to. Obviously that's going to cut into the site's revenue.

 

[AudriTwo]

the more this conversation is going on the more i'm doubting you have ever cammed and this is fucking troll.

or you havent been camming that long.

please be troll.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

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I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that. No matter the business, if you're accepting credit/debit cards you need a payment processor. The funds don't just magically get transferred from the customer's account to the company's account without one. The payment processors are also a company, so they charge the merchants a fee to do this. It's the reason why some businesses require a minimum purchase amount to run cards and why some businesses don't accept cards at all. It costs them money with each swipe. Since there's more fraud and more people doing chargebacks and what not when it comes to purchases within the adult industry, the payment processors charge higher fees than other companies are subjected to. Obviously that's going to cut into the site's revenue.

Any time there's a higher risk, costs increase significantly. Those outside the US may not understand this. But, if you have pre-existing conditions, are obese or otherwise unhealthy, they still have to cover you. But, the insurance companies sure as fuck could jack the shit out of your premiums if you're not part of a group policy. Same holds true in a variety of vanilla industries. The greater the risk, they greater the expense in terms of equipment, labor, etc. Thus why some things are astronomically high.

This is all because there is a high risk of loss. Therefore, they have higher prices to help absorb a certain percentage of loss. Same as a retail company. They mark things up to help cover a certain percentage of loss via theft or damage.

 

[Danigirl]

Soooo.... Is anyone else severely confused with the logic displayed here. @PandoraUnchained is fine with studios getting half the income because she's lazy but has issues with a site getting money when they take a shit ton of risks with start ups, advertising, fees, chargebacks, and a whole host of staff overhead etc? The platform is the value. Studios are way more extortion.


Anywho... No, I don't want a pay method that gives all the money/tokens whatever. My exposure with funds is too great a risk. I like tokens or onlyfans because I don't get chargebacks (token sites anyway as I think OF can be iffy) and because for audit purposes it's easier. I don't even do gift cards for shows. I do them for actual gifts or lingerie purchases but not as payment. Going through sites is way more peace of mind than extra percentages.

Got a chuckle reading a studio model talk about an independent model having Stockholm syndrome. That's a good one

 

[AmberCutie]

Soooo.... Is anyone else severely confused with the logic displayed here. @PandoraUnchained is fine with studios getting half the income because she's lazy but has issues with a site getting money when they take a shit ton of risks with start ups, advertising, fees, chargebacks, and a whole host of staff overhead etc? The platform is the value. Studios are way more extortion.

This is the conclusion I've come to. There's no reasoning with that kind of mindset.

 

[JoleneBrody]

That high risk fee the payment processors charge the camsite is 10-15% per transaction on average btw. It’s VERY high. That doesn't even include the massive amount of chargebacks and chargeback fees most cam sites eat on top of the HUGE “content policy violation” fines every time a model breaks the rules (which are mostly set by visa) and are reported.
This is just the bare minimum cost for simply taking credit cards, add everything else on top of that and all I gotta say is...

If you dont like it stop being so “lazy” and do it yourself then. You CAN! The only reason most will say you “shouldn’t” is because you’ll get no traffic and not make money... because the major cam sites are PROVIDING that.

 

[PandoraUnchained]

This is the conclusion I've come to. There's no reasoning with that kind of mindset.

I did say that this things are not comparable but I love how you insist on that. I f you want me to explain why I prefer to work in a studio, create a thread about that and I'll gladely explain why, but this isn't the topic here.

The difference is that I'm not saying that it's normal to work in a studio and i don't try to convince anybody to do so, a contrario of those who are ready to anything to defend the webcam platform sites. At least I'm happy for the shareholders with this mindset thing aren't going to change soon.

If you dont like it stop being so “lazy” and do it yourself then. You CAN! The only reason most will say you “shouldn’t” is because you’ll get no traffic and not make money... because the major cam sites are PROVIDING that.

i earn about 50% in the intra studio mini streaming platform. Oh and the processing fees are about 7%. But that's totally impossible according to everyone here. Greedy processing systems rob poor webcam site owners, and everybody knows that there is absolutely no traffic on internet outside CB.



Honestly I'm tired of that pointless argue. I gave real numbers and links, and all the answers that i got are proofless arguments and personal attacks on a non relevant subject. I'll post here if somebody will be able to display a minimal ability to debate, or some curiosity to google some facts (like the cost of maintaining a similar site) , instead of that creepy fanatical love.

 

[AudriTwo]

Honestly I'm tired of that pointless argue. I gave real numbers and links, and all the answers that i got are proofless arguments and personal attacks on a non relevant subject. I'll post here if somebody will be able to display a minimal ability to debate, or some curiosity to google some facts (like the cost of maintaining a similar site) , instead of that creepy fanatical love.

So goodbye then?

 

[PandoraUnchained]

So goodbye then?

Don't be too happy I stay on the forum. Just stop to post in this thread to avoid that sadness.

 

[AudriTwo]

Don't be too happy I stay on the forum. Just stop to post in this thread to avoid that sadness.

The only sad in this thread how smart you think you are. Praying for you bb.

 

[pleasurecamsnl]

They aren't covering their expenses with advsertising. Advertising is the main and barely sole revenue as Youtube is free for users.



The problem is that the last big survey is from 2016. Since then all the owners did they best to never had any precise survey about their industry (probably because that could stop Audri believe that they are doing their job only thinking about models happiness, while living on bread and water). Even understanding who owns each site is quite a pain, NextWeb tried it a time ago.

The (almost) invisible men and women behind the worldâs largest porn sites

Hundreds of millions of people watch porn each month, but the people behind the companies are hard to track down.

thenextweb.com

Yeah thats what I am saying isnt it? their income is from advertisers, their traffic.
And like I said, them being a normal site, their traffic is interesting for every big company out there, when adult sites are not. So that makes converting your traffic to income a lot harder.
So lets hope that the company's keep making much money, that way they can keep paying the models, affiliates and people working for them

 

[JoleneBrody]

I did say that this things are not comparable but I love how you insist on that. I f you want me to explain why I prefer to work in a studio, create a thread about that and I'll gladely explain why, but this isn't the topic here.

The difference is that I'm not saying that it's normal to work in a studio and i don't try to convince anybody to do so, a contrario of those who are ready to anything to defend the webcam platform sites. At least I'm happy for the shareholders with this mindset thing aren't going to change soon.



i earn about 50% in the intra studio mini streaming platform. Oh and the processing fees are about 7%. But that's totally impossible according to everyone here. Greedy processing systems rob poor webcam site owners, and everybody knows that there is absolutely no traffic on internet outside CB.



Honestly I'm tired of that pointless argue. I gave real numbers and links, and all the answers that i got are proofless arguments and personal attacks on a non relevant subject. I'll post here if somebody will be able to display a minimal ability to debate, or some curiosity to google some facts (like the cost of maintaining a similar site) , instead of that creepy fanatical love.

I am a rep for an adult platform, just FYI ... I am also a model on MFC but the info I shared is factual averages for high risk payment processing from my first hand knowledge as a rep for another platform.

you’re attitude has been shitty and snotty despite being very ignorant from your first post in the thread. You are new here and you’ve made a pretty bad impression. good luck

 

[pleasurecamsnl]

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I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that. No matter the business, if you're accepting credit/debit cards you need a payment processor. The funds don't just magically get transferred from the customer's account to the company's account without one. The payment processors are also a company, so they charge the merchants a fee to do this. It's the reason why some businesses require a minimum purchase amount to run cards and why some businesses don't accept cards at all. It costs them money with each swipe. Since there's more fraud and more people doing chargebacks and what not when it comes to purchases within the adult industry, the payment processors charge higher fees than other companies are subjected to. Obviously that's going to cut into the site's revenue.

Even for the webshop in toys, lingerie etc I had with my ex we got rejected by banks when wanted to open a account. Paypal blocked our account cause we sold a surprise set that contained a erotic dvd.
Facebook ads is nearly impossible to get approved.
A large site like Fetlife had trouble with their payment processor etc.
A lot of compare sites etc charge higher fees for company's in adult branches

Vanilla companies still consider anything related to porn something they dont want to be involved with . So the risk and costs for a lot of adult company's are higher

 

[MarieElise]

Don't be too happy I stay on the forum. Just stop to post in this thread to avoid that sadness.

You could also consider an apology. Especially for the comment, which I thought minimized stockholm syndrome, and basically insulted any of us who are loyal to our sites. I don't know if that was a cultural thing, but that was insulting. Or I consider it so, at least.

In the end you'll do what you want tho, no doubt.

 

[AmberCutie]

I did say that this things are not comparable but I love how you insist on that. I f you want me to explain why I prefer to work in a studio, create a thread about that and I'll gladely explain why, but this isn't the topic here.

The difference is that I'm not saying that it's normal to work in a studio and i don't try to convince anybody to do so, a contrario of those who are ready to anything to defend the webcam platform sites. At least I'm happy for the shareholders with this mindset thing aren't going to change soon.



i earn about 50% in the intra studio mini streaming platform. Oh and the processing fees are about 7%. But that's totally impossible according to everyone here. Greedy processing systems rob poor webcam site owners, and everybody knows that there is absolutely no traffic on internet outside CB.



Honestly I'm tired of that pointless argue. I gave real numbers and links, and all the answers that i got are proofless arguments and personal attacks on a non relevant subject. I'll post here if somebody will be able to display a minimal ability to debate, or some curiosity to google some facts (like the cost of maintaining a similar site) , instead of that creepy fanatical love.

Wait... your studio operates its own cam site?

Or are they just arranging like private Skype shows with customers they find for you?

Very confused.

But it’s obvious you don’t actually know what it’s like to be a model on a popular cam site with no boss (studio) taking half of your final pay. Otherwise you would not speak so ignorantly.

 

[Danigirl]

@PandoraUnchained Funny you say no one is intelligent enough to debate you when your own points are muddy as shit. We don't need to use Google to find some random numbers. You're arguing with a ton of cam models who know their industry in and out and have been running our businesses for decades. We have to know because we are our own bosses and aren't lazy. Terrible first impression here.