Animated child pornography = yes or no?

[IsabellaSnow]

Pedophilia is potentially damaging fetish, but is allowing it an outlet a bad thing? Any gay or lesbian activist will tell you that a person is more than just their sexual preference. We expect our gay friends to not hump our legs uncontrollably, why can't extend the same courtesy to other fetishes.

You see as much as I agree that people cannot control themselves despite their sexual preferences, and being a pedo doesn't necessarily mean you're a nasty person. But... with both gay and straight people, yes we can as a whole control ourselves and not go around raping people, but in these situations eventually there is a consenting person.

Could you really turn around to a straight/gay person and say "you can never touch or be with anyone you're attracted to" and expect them never to slip in their whole lives? That's essentially what we're saying to pedo's. Which means going onto places like the internet, hearing people justify and condone the fetish, to someone who's not a pedo it's not damaging, but for someone who is in war with themselves, probably ridiculously horny and sexually frustrated... encouraging people to explore and enjoy their personal fetishes isn't always a good thing. It can lead to much more serious things with the wrong person. I personally think those with pedophiliac natures should have some form of gelding. I don't know how it'd work, but anything to stop/subdue them from having sexual urges.


My opinions on the cartoon child porn.... God, I just don't know. I think there's one thing having characters who look young, appealing to a fetish, and another thing making it very realistic and obvious that it's child porn.

I don't disagree with child porn though just because the child is being harmed. I disagree with it because it's out there for people to watch and possibly be encouraged.

There's a difference between porn and regulars films/television also.

If a girl gets raped on television, it's not there to turn people on, it's mimicking a horrific real life event. If a girl gets raped in porn it is done for the soul purpose of sexual pleasure. Porn is a whole different kettle of fish.
Like say the Lolita books, or regular cartoons, or even children being naked/barely clothed in a film, the purpose isn't to sexually arouse its viewers, so no I don't think there's much wrong with it. Anything in porn is there for the soul purpose of sexually arousing whoever is watching. The difference is the purpose and the intent. I don't really understand how people fail to see the difference.

Things we see in porn does effect us and can give us fetishes we'd never have thought of on our own. Things we see in porn/on the internet can also mentally damage us, even if we don't totally realise it. I know full well I've seen some things on the internet which have changed me mentally, and in my opinion, not for the better. Sure I'm not going to go out and be a danger to society, but I preferred my mind when it was a bit more innocent.

BlueViolet, I think your story sounds o.k. There's a difference with someone looking kind of young in cartoons and actually promoting child molesting. As the intent of your story is that these people are all over 18, then I don't think there's anything to worry about, unless these over 18 year olds look like they're under 4 foot and have very round childlike faces and bodies I think you'll be ok.

 

[Red7227]

Pedophilia is potentially damaging fetish, but is allowing it an outlet a bad thing? Any gay or lesbian activist will tell you that a person is more than just their sexual preference. We expect our gay friends to not hump our legs uncontrollably, why can't extend the same courtesy to other fetishes.

Could you really turn around to a straight/gay person and say "you can never touch or be with anyone you're attracted to" and expect them never to slip in their whole lives? That's essentially what we're saying to pedo's. Which means going onto places like the internet, hearing people justify and condone the fetish, to someone who's not a pedo it's not damaging, but for someone who is in war with themselves, probably ridiculously horny and sexually frustrated... encouraging people to explore and enjoy their personal fetishes isn't always a good thing. It can lead to much more serious things with the wrong person. I personally think those with pedophiliac natures should have some form of gelding. I don't know how it'd work, but anything to stop/subdue them from having sexual urges.

Yeah, but we are expecting that of them anyway. There are a lot of people who make do with porn and never act on their fetish, vore and extreme sadism for two. I suppose the question is, is that the only way a pedo can get off? Can they live a normal sexual life and keep their fetish tucked away for private occasions? There are some medications that suppress libido that would work, but the person would be choosing to take them.

 

[JickyJuly]

Pedophilia is not a motherfucking fetish. Stop calling it that.

 

[Aella]

Pedophilia is not a motherfucking fetish. Stop calling it that.

You're right - fetish refers to inanimate objects, and generally indicates that it is REQUIRED in order to achieve any sexual arousal.
"Kink" might be a more accurate term.

 

[JickyJuly]

Pedophilia is not a motherfucking fetish. Stop calling it that.

You're right - fetish refers to inanimate objects, and generally indicates that it is REQUIRED in order to achieve any sexual arousal.
"Kink" might be a more accurate term.

Fetish would include an object or nonsexual body part. Kink doesn't fit either. Pedophilia is a mental issue. It's not even solely based in sex. When oppressed sexually, it usually comes out as violence.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Yeah, but we are expecting that of them anyway. There are a lot of people who make do with porn and never act on their fetish, vore and extreme sadism for two. I suppose the question is, is that the only way a pedo can get off? Can they live a normal sexual life and keep their fetish tucked away for private occasions? There are some medications that suppress libido that would work, but the person would be choosing to take them.

It's not a fetish. It's closer to a sexuality. And as far as I have heard, although pedos may have sexual relationships with adults, even get married and have children, they imagine children whilst doing sexual things.

People can generally control fetishes, fetishes are just something that particularly turns someone on. Things like pedophilia run to the core, they don't just spring up out of nowhere and they can't be changed or controlled. All that can happen is that person can, through willpower, not ever act on their desire. Doing that is very hard though, children are everywhere. Children are also very trusting. If you're trying to have a normal life chances are you'll be in contact with children. It's not like you can tell your friends and family about what's going on in your head, so if you want a normal life no one would understand why you might not want to be around children.
In their heads a child coming and sitting on their lap is like a straight, sexually frustrated man who's never had sex having a hot girl sitting on their lap wriggling around. Sounds really sick, but that's pretty much how it is. If you were in that situation, even if you knew the hot girl didn't have any feelings for you, would you not be unable to control yourself being turned on, and maybe trying it on with her? Or even being under the illusion she actually fancies you?
It's a common excuse with pedophiles that the child "led them on". Sounds awful, and it really is. People with that particular condition aren't right in the head. Often they also come from an abusive history, which might mean they're more likely to act on it, because to them it's not that abnormal to do so.

It's not a situation where enjoying a bit of fetish/fantasy from porn is going to release the tension of the fetish because it's not a fetish. It is how they are. Seeing things online are much more likely to feed the fire in these situations.
A fetish/fantasy is say, imagining you're far younger than you are as a fantasy, though the idea of seeing a child sexually makes you feel sick. That could also possibly go vice versa. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would enjoy the age play fantasy without actually being a pedo or attracted to children. I don't know if feeding this fetish though is more or less likely to encourage people to try it out in real life.

The reason I don't feel it's worth the risk is that with children, as soon as you touch a child in that way, just coming onto them, could seriously fuck them up for life. The mental damage it does is really severe and it really messes with their development as people later on. To me, if there's even a small risk of something encouraging behaviour that could cause so much damage then it shouldn't be condoned, even if it means other people miss out. Others aren't exactly missing out on loads.

 

[Brad]

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/feat ... pedophilia

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Being gay isn't a fetish. It's an innate sexual preference that occurs naturally in most species. Pedophilia isn't a fetish. It's a mental illness which often leads to criminal behavior.

Yes from the perspective of 21st Western society you are right, still in my lifetime and certainly my mom's lifetime we seen society attitude of homosexually change from mental illness to sexual preference. Yes pedophilia is considered a mental illness but more than that a hideous crime. That hasn't been true of all time (many cultures), and even today in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, pedophilia is tolerated and widely practiced. This has created a real dilemma for NATO troops being forced to turn a blind eye to practices like Bacha Baz (boy play).

Offering someone with a mental illness an "outlet" instead of help is exploitative and will lead to more crimes.

I am curious what type of help you thing we should offer? This generation of psychiatrists has had just as much success curing pedophiles as previous generations of shrinks have curing homosexuality, i.e NONE. Realistically the only help we can offer pedophiles right now is long prison sentences and heavily supervised paroles or castration in some cases.

All the evidence points to pedophilia not being an exclusive condition, you can have regular hetro or homosexual relationships, but also desire sex with children at times. How do you know that offering an outlet will lead to more crimes? It seems me that a pedophile that is for lack of of a better term "ped-curious" may very well be satisfied with virtual child porn, in the same way the many pedophiles are satisfied with real child porn today, and stop short of abusing actually kids.

I think people need to keep an open mind here.

 

[BlueViolet]

Pedophilia is not a motherfucking fetish. Stop calling it that.

You're right - fetish refers to inanimate objects, and generally indicates that it is REQUIRED in order to achieve any sexual arousal.
"Kink" might be a more accurate term.

But, a piece of paper/animated video is an inanimate object if we are talking about animated child pornography. So that would actually qualify as a fetish. The real thing would be a mental illness.

Just because a person likes the animated/cartoon version, doesn't mean they will partake in or even like it in real life. The style and scenarios are so much different, it's supposed to be as fantasy as possible. I'm sure a lot of people like the fact that they can safely enjoy a fantasy without any harm occurring to an actual child and have no intention of ever hurting a child.

I really like guys in anime but aren't attracted to most men in real life physically. Most real men don't have light blue hair down to their feet and wear eye shadow while remaining masculine and plan world domination, though. I also enjoy watching said anime men rape other men in a fantasy scenario, but if I came upon an actual gay rape in real life, I'd do everything in my power to stop it and get the police involved and probably try to beat the shit out of the rapist. The thought of an actual person being hurt makes me nauseous when most of my fantasies involve non-con power play.

But regardless of what your stance on it is and even if you absolutely abhor the idea of any kind of depiction of it, banning it all together is a horribly slippery slope in a world where we are already starting to lose so much of our rights to privacy. I hate the idea of violence in movies, especially those disgusting movies that are purely about people being tortured, it makes me physically ill as well, but I don't think that it should be banned.

I do sincerely worry about the mental health of those who actually are entertained by gore and things like that, and I think it is severely detrimental to our society that it is so glorified, but just because it doesn't make me comfortable doesn't mean I think it should be banned, mainly because I'm afraid of what other creative freedoms would be restricted if we started going down that road.

And there are many countries that actually allow underage sex scenes (nudity allowed) that ban excessive gore.

 

[JickyJuly]

Being gay isn't a fetish. It's an innate sexual preference that occurs naturally in most species. Pedophilia isn't a fetish. It's a mental illness which often leads to criminal behavior.

Yes from the perspective of 21st Western society you are right, still in my lifetime and certainly my mom's lifetime we seen society attitude of homosexually change from mental illness to sexual preference. Yes pedophilia is considered a mental illness but more than that a hideous crime. That hasn't been true of all time (many cultures), and even today in places like Afghanistan and Pakistan, pedophilia is tolerated and widely practiced. This has created a real dilemma for NATO troops being forced to turn a blind eye to practices like Bacha Baz (boy play).

Offering someone with a mental illness an "outlet" instead of help is exploitative and will lead to more crimes.

I am curious what type of help you thing we should offer? This generation of psychiatrists has had just as much success curing pedophiles as previous generations of shrinks have curing homosexuality, i.e NONE. Realistically the only help we can offer pedophiles right now is long prison sentences and heavily supervised paroles or castration in some cases.

All the evidence points to pedophilia not being an exclusive condition, you can have regular hetro or homosexual relationships, but also desire sex with children at times. How do you know that offering an outlet will lead to more crimes? It seems me that a pedophile that is for lack of of a better term "ped-curious" may very well be satisfied with virtual child porn, in the same way the many pedophiles are satisfied with real child porn today, and stop short of abusing actually kids.

I think people need to keep an open mind here.

LOTS of things are practiced throughout the world and here that people shouldn't be cool with. That doesn't make it okay. I didn't say all pedophiles were criminals. I said they are mentally ill in a way that often leads to crime. Disagreement and discussion are great, but you could at least try to read what the other person is saying first. Unlike some people, I tend to make my statements short and to the point. As far as the treatment of pedophiles goes, I am unsure. I'm certainly not a doctor. I do remember reading that castration was not a viable option because it often leads to violent acts in place of sexual ones. Some mental illnesses can only be coped with. Either way, it's not in the best interest of the ill to expose themselves to triggers.

 

[Red7227]

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/explaining-pedophilia

Homosexuality was a mental illness till 1974, when lobbying from the gay community removed the classification.


The Danish Pedophile Association http://danpedo.sexualpolitik.se/english/faq1.php

The site provides a interesting perceptive on their mindset and some statistics. I find myself both sympathetic to their plight and wanting to set them all on fire. It is just an orientation that they have no control over, but the target group is so vulnerable...

Gays don't become more gay from looking at gay porn, so I think that pedo porn is actually going to be an outlet and release for them that they really need and that we as a community have to accept.

 

[JickyJuly]

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/explaining-pedophilia

Homosexuality was a mental illness till 1974, when lobbying from the gay community removed the classification.


The Danish Pedophile Association http://danpedo.sexualpolitik.se/english/faq1.php

The site provides a interesting perceptive on their mindset and some statistics. I find myself both sympathetic to their plight and wanting to set them all on fire. It is just an orientation that they have no control over, but the target group is so vulnerable...

Gays don't become more gay from looking at gay porn, so I think that pedo porn is actually going to be an outlet and release for them that they really need and that we as a community have to accept.

Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation. There is no way for a pedophile to have a CONSENTING partner. Sex without consent isn't sex. It's rape. If you can't manage to have sex without raping someone, you're certainly mentally ill.

 

[BlueViolet]

BlueViolet, I think your story sounds o.k. There's a difference with someone looking kind of young in cartoons and actually promoting child molesting. As the intent of your story is that these people are all over 18, then I don't think there's anything to worry about, unless these over 18 year olds look like they're under 4 foot and have very round childlike faces and bodies I think you'll be ok.

That's the problem with going by an arbitrary height or stylistic choice, it severely inhibits creative freedom. What about fantasy races such as faeries, pixies, gnomes, small elves, goblins, etc? Can they not be shown in a sexual light because some might be anywhere from a few inches tall to 4'? What about races that have evolved from rodents, who might be small with large eyes and big cheeks?

I don't believe I have any characters under 4', but there is one character who is around 4'9''. He's a 900-year-old, extremely powerful magic user who is married and has raised children, but his growth was stunted as a child from malnutrition and abuse. He also has a young looking face and likes candy and is hyper sexual, but he's an immortal creature. His character is extremely pertinent to the storyline and I see no reason that I'd need to be forced to draw and design him differently considering his past and personality is crucial to other plot points.

There's also a race of dragons who look like humans who are naturally smaller. One particular one is 4'2''. He's at least 700-years-old and works as a very skilled scientist. I'd hate to be told that his race couldn't exist considering how crucial it is also to the storyline. But there are also races who are 9' tall and anything in between.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

LOTS of things are practiced throughout the world and here that people shouldn't be cool with. That doesn't make it okay. I didn't say all pedophiles were criminals. I said they are mentally ill in a way that often leads to crime. Disagreement and discussion are great, but you could at least try to read what the other person is saying first. Unlike some people, I tend to make my statements short and to the point.

I didn't say or imply you did thought all pedophiles were criminals. I also agree that just because something is common elsewhere or historically makes it right, and pedophilia falls into that category. Sorry I grew up before 140 characters was the limit of thought.

As far as the treatment of pedophiles goes, I am unsure. I'm certainly not a doctor. I do remember reading that castration was not a viable option because it often leads to violent acts in place of sexual ones. Some mental illnesses can only be coped with. Either way, it's not in the best interest of the ill to expose themselves to triggers.

You keep making this assertion that seeing child porn acts as a trigger. Do you have evidence to back this up or at least the logic why you think this is true? Do you believe playing violent video games leads to violence, seeing BDSM porn, leads to real life sadomasochism?

 

[JickyJuly]

As far as the treatment of pedophiles goes, I am unsure. I'm certainly not a doctor. I do remember reading that castration was not a viable option because it often leads to violent acts in place of sexual ones. Some mental illnesses can only be coped with. Either way, it's not in the best interest of the ill to expose themselves to triggers.

You keep making this assertion that seeing child porn acts as a trigger. Do you have evidence to back this up or at least the logic why you think this is true? Do you believe playing violent video games leads to violence, seeing BDSM porn, leads to real life sadomasochism?

In people with certain mental illness, watching violence could certainly trigger their urges. There are more options for violence prone people than for pedos. (I'm saying this as someone who has been to anger management.) Since even under psychiatric care pedophiles have to learn to cope, they're put in a more desperate predicament than most of us. Allowing animated kiddie porn would open the door to letting them feel like their urges are acceptable. If they can convince themselves that their urges are okay, they're much more likely to skip getting help and go straight to getting into trouble.

 

[Brad]

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/features/explaining-pedophilia

Homosexuality was a mental illness till 1974, when lobbying from the gay community removed the classification.

I am not very confident that there will be a bunch of pedophiles lining up to fight for their cause but if there are then maybe they can make the same change happen. I just wouldn't bet a dime on that ever happening and I would never support it.
:twocents-02cents:

 

[PunkInDrublic]

Never understood the "seeing something acted out in a video game or movie will make the person less likely to do it" line of thought. Been proven untrue in so many cases. Almost always acts as an enabler.
When I play Tiger Woods golf it makes me want to go play real golf. When I watch anal porn I want to fuck butts. I don't want to shoot people in real life when I play COD though. Weird.

 

[Nordling]

Never understood the "seeing something acted out in a video game or movie will make the person less likely to do it" line of thought. Been proven untrue in so many cases. Almost always acts as an enabler.
When I play Tiger Woods golf it makes me want to go play real golf. When I watch anal porn I want to fuck butts. I don't want to shoot people in real life when I play COD though. Weird.

Yeah, I think what makes discussion difficult in things like this is that everyone is affected differently. Either side in a discussion of the effects of movies, games, etc. on behavior can easily trot out a line of people who are or are not affected. I'm guessing if you have no latent murderous tendencies, nothing will make you a murderer. Same with pedophiles. I have to assume there are people who don't even know they have an unconscious tendency just waiting for a trigger...which could be almost anything, but if nothing else movies or images can weaken our natural outrage, if we are so inclined.

 

[BlueViolet]

In people with certain mental illness, watching violence could certainly trigger their urges. There are more options for violence prone people than for pedos. (I'm saying this as someone who has been to anger management.) Since even under psychiatric care pedophiles have to learn to cope, they're put in a more desperate predicament than most of us. Allowing animated kiddie porn would open the door to letting them feel like their urges are acceptable. If they can convince themselves that their urges are okay, they're much more likely to skip getting help and go straight to getting into trouble.

But what about people like me who's primary kink is rape and non-con? Watching simulated rape doesn't trigger an urge to go out and rape someone for me, or to watch a real person get raped. And there is a lot of simulated rape out of there. I don't feel by watching non-con situations, that it's acceptable in real life. It's all fantasy.

It's violence, but rape is a mental thing not rooted in physical urges. I don't have a penis but still enjoy the power play of simulated rape. I don't like consensual rape play because the person is consenting, and I don't like real rape because the person isn't consenting and can suffer real damage, therefore simulated rape is perfect because it's a situation in which the character really doesn't want it, but won't sustain any real physical or mental damage.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I'm totally ok with fake anything and everything.

For example, the movie "A Serbian Film" has a scene in which a newborn baby is being raped. It's a horror movie and the point is show something really horrific and disturbing. By US laws, that scene is considered child porn, even though the purpose is to show how disgusting it is. The movie got edited, and the law continues to censor art.

 

[JickyJuly]

In people with certain mental illness, watching violence could certainly trigger their urges. There are more options for violence prone people than for pedos. (I'm saying this as someone who has been to anger management.) Since even under psychiatric care pedophiles have to learn to cope, they're put in a more desperate predicament than most of us. Allowing animated kiddie porn would open the door to letting them feel like their urges are acceptable. If they can convince themselves that their urges are okay, they're much more likely to skip getting help and go straight to getting into trouble.

But what about people like me who's primary kink is rape and non-con? Watching simulated rape doesn't trigger an urge to go out and rape someone for me, or to watch a real person get raped. And there is a lot of simulated rape out of there. I don't feel by watching non-con situations, that it's acceptable in real life. It's all fantasy.

It's violence, but rape is a mental thing not rooted in physical urges. I don't have a penis but still enjoy the power play of simulated rape. I don't like consensual rape play because the person is consenting, and I don't like real rape because the person isn't consenting and can suffer real damage, therefore simulated rape is perfect because it's a situation in which the character really doesn't want it, but won't sustain any real physical or mental damage.

To be honest, I care about all that less as it doesn't involve children. Also, I think rapists are probably more easily helped by psychiatry than pedophiles. They are a less vulnerable group than pedos. Sidenote I'm curious as to why you haven't said anything about homosexuality and pedophilia being put into the same boat? Are you okay with that pairing or just skipping that can of worms? Because even as a straight woman, seeing Red compare the two made me see red.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Never understood the "seeing something acted out in a video game or movie will make the person less likely to do it" line of thought. Been proven untrue in so many cases. Almost always acts as an enabler.
When I play Tiger Woods golf it makes me want to go play real golf. When I watch anal porn I want to fuck butts. I don't want to shoot people in real life when I play COD though. Weird.

Almost always acts as an enabler? Hardly and you gave a counter-example COD. I also don't have a desire to play golf after playing Tiger Woods.. They have been trying to for 20+ years to find a link between video violence game and real violence and the results are mixed, some say good some say bad and most say small. A nice summary of the studies. http://kotaku.com/5976781/25-video-game-violence-studies-summarized The same thing is true about watching porn leading to more violence against woman, they have been trying to prove that has porn causes this for decades and have failed.

In fact we we look at the big picture, time spent playing video games has grown dramatically in the last 20 years, and violence especially among young people has dropped considerably.

Likewise we consume a ton more porn now than we did 10 years much less 20 and yet the amount of rapes has dropped.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf.

Now correlation isn't causation, and while it may seem counter intuitive, the big picture suggest that doing stuff in virtual world makes us less likely to do it real life. I don't think there is big mystery why this happens. We have a limited amount free time. Every hour we spend play Tiger Wood is one less hour on the golf course, every hour we spend on MFC chatting is one less hour in bar getting drunk or getting pissed at being rejected, every hour we play GTA is one less hour out cruising on the streets looking for trouble. Likewise every hour a pedophile spends wanking off to child porn anime is one less hour he is at a playground cruising for kids.

 

[Just Me]

Slippery slope arguments are just that, slippery slopes. If you want to get rid of literary or cartoon depictions of child porn, where there are no real people being harmed, you have to advocate for getting rid of depictions of violence as well or you are just being hypocritical and intellectually dishonest.

 

[Red7227]

Never understood the "seeing something acted out in a video game or movie will make the person less likely to do it" line of thought. Been proven untrue in so many cases. Almost always acts as an enabler.
When I play Tiger Woods golf it makes me want to go play real golf. When I watch anal porn I want to fuck butts. I don't want to shoot people in real life when I play COD though. Weird.

"Results from the Czech Republic showed, as seen everywhere else studied (Canada, Croatia, Denmark, Germany, Finland, Hong Kong, Shanghai, Sweden, USA), that rape and other sex crimes have not increased following the legalization and wide availability of pornography. And most significantly, the incidence of child sex abuse has fallen considerably since 1989, when child pornography became readily accessible – a phenomenon also seen in Denmark and Japan. Their findings are published online today in Springer’s journal Archives of Sexual Behavior."

http://www.springer.com/about+springer/ ... -1042321-0

 

[Jupiter551]

On the pro side. The availability of legal virtual child porn acts as substitute for the real thing. If you are basically a law abiding pedophile, virtual child porn is good enough. It gets you off. The rational side of your brain kicks it and you say, it ain't worth ruining my life to get my hands on the real stuff. This would reduce the demand for real child porn which is a good thing.

Legal, regulated child porn? No thanks. Just because anything CAN be said, or drawn, or depicted, or written, doesn't mean it's harmless to do so.

Words, and images can incite real action and if there's one thing we all know from both personal experience and common sense is that throwing pornography - of any kind - at a fetish is like trying to put a fire out with gasoline. Things always have to get more extreme, what got off before doesn't do it anymore etc. Never seen any evidence that you can cure fetishes by feeding them. Sexual fantasy is a complex thing - without feeding it dies, but keep giving it stimulation and it will just grow and grow.

 

[BlueViolet]

In people with certain mental illness, watching violence could certainly trigger their urges. There are more options for violence prone people than for pedos. (I'm saying this as someone who has been to anger management.) Since even under psychiatric care pedophiles have to learn to cope, they're put in a more desperate predicament than most of us. Allowing animated kiddie porn would open the door to letting them feel like their urges are acceptable. If they can convince themselves that their urges are okay, they're much more likely to skip getting help and go straight to getting into trouble.

But what about people like me who's primary kink is rape and non-con? Watching simulated rape doesn't trigger an urge to go out and rape someone for me, or to watch a real person get raped. And there is a lot of simulated rape out of there. I don't feel by watching non-con situations, that it's acceptable in real life. It's all fantasy.

It's violence, but rape is a mental thing not rooted in physical urges. I don't have a penis but still enjoy the power play of simulated rape. I don't like consensual rape play because the person is consenting, and I don't like real rape because the person isn't consenting and can suffer real damage, therefore simulated rape is perfect because it's a situation in which the character really doesn't want it, but won't sustain any real physical or mental damage.

To be honest, I care about all that less as it doesn't involve children. Also, I think rapists are probably more easily helped by psychiatry than pedophiles. They are a less vulnerable group than pedos. Sidenote I'm curious as to why you haven't said anything about homosexuality and pedophilia being put into the same boat? Are you okay with that pairing or just skipping that can of worms? Because even as a straight woman, seeing Red compare the two made me see red.

I haven't said anything about homosexuality and pedophilia being put in the same boat simply because they both are mental and not something that is actively chosen. Pedophilia obviously is considered a mental illness because acting on it can cause significant damage to another human being, whereas homosexuality was only considered a mental illness because of religious views. Both aren't choices, though.

The act of rape in rapists can be curbed in the same way that the act of child molestation in pedophiles can be curbed, but no amount of psychiatric help has been proven to actually prevent thought or fantasies of rape or thoughts or fantasies of children. For rapists, it's about power and that's closely linked to a person's personality so psychiatric help can't really fix them from wanting to exert power over people by raping them. Psychiatric help also can't help a pedophile from being attracted to children, much like they can't change a person's sexual orientation, but can help a person to find methods of better self control. But most pedophiles are not child molesters and do have self control, we just discover the ones who don't or don't care.

Sexual fantasy is a complex thing - without feeding it dies, but keep giving it stimulation and it will just grow and grow.

It doesn't die. And feeding it doesn't cause a person to lose self control. I worry about people who do not have healthy outlets for their sexual fantasies.

 

[Jupiter551]

It doesn't die. And feeding it doesn't cause a person to lose self control. I worry about people who do not have healthy outlets for their sexual fantasies.

Die might have been a poor choice of word. Without stimulation fantasies don't develop, in the same way that if no one had given Michael Schumacher the chance to drive a car no one would ever have known he would be a champion.

Encourage something and it grows out of control, especially sexually, but ignore it and while it might not go away it also isn't gaining any more power.

As for not having a healthy outlet - people have their hands and their imaginations. If they need any more than that, the world doesn't owe it to provide it for them.

 

[BlueViolet]

Encourage something and it grows out of control, especially sexually, but ignore it and while it might not go away it also isn't gaining any more power.

As for not having a healthy outlet - people have their hands and their imaginations. If they need any more than that, the world doesn't owe it to provide it for them.

But by making it illegal, you would be controlling their imagination. I like to draw my fantasies and if simulated rape were illegal, I couldn't indulge in my fantasies the way I like. Because the act of possessing or creating those things could be considered obscene and illegal. That's the slippery slope we'd go down if simulated child pornography would be illegal, because even though no child is harmed, the argument is that it could encourage it. Simulated rape could encourage real life rape by that logic.

There's plenty of fetishes that haven't grown out of control for me. I can still fantasize to a nice pair of boobs and a woman's lady parts on mine without anything else. I can also fantasize about a lady raping a man with a strap-on, and I've had that fantasy for years and years. Still feel no urge to go rape a real man with a strap-on.

 

[JickyJuly]

I guess I just feel like we ALL have things in our beings that we didn't and wouldn't choose. It's just our job to carry things and live the best we can. So, perhaps that makes me less sympathetic? I think anyone with a mental illness has the responsibility to keep themselves in check. For instance, I was anorexic for a decade. I purposely avoid talking about food, dieting, calorie counting etc. as much as possible because it sets me in a bad direction. In my mind, a pedophile sitting around wanking to virtual babies is being irresponsible with their issue.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

On the pro side. The availability of legal virtual child porn acts as substitute for the real thing. If you are basically a law abiding pedophile, virtual child porn is good enough. It gets you off. The rational side of your brain kicks it and you say, it ain't worth ruining my life to get my hands on the real stuff. This would reduce the demand for real child porn which is a good thing.

Legal, regulated child porn? No thanks. Just because anything CAN be said, or drawn, or depicted, or written, doesn't mean it's harmless to do so.

Words, and images can incite real action and if there's one thing we all know from both personal experience and common sense is that throwing pornography - of any kind - at a fetish is like trying to put a fire out with gasoline. Things always have to get more extreme, what got off before doesn't do it anymore etc. Never seen any evidence that you can cure fetishes by feeding them. Sexual fantasy is a complex thing - without feeding it dies, but keep giving it stimulation and it will just grow and grow.

Geez I never said legalize child porn, I say legalize and regulate VIRTUAL child porn a huge difference. In particular, I'd want to see a real honest to goodness enforcement of the no sales of games, animes etc. to those under 18, and none of this MFC-like BS about age verification.

Ever heard of aversion therapy?, it works at least sometimes. You know what else sometimes works methadone treatments. Methadone isn't good for you it is just a hell of a lot better than heroin. In the same way I doubt viewing virtual child porn is good for you, but it better than real child porn and a fuck load better than having more pedophiles molesting kids. If you haven't seen evidence than I suggest you read the link Red posted. If you got actual evidence, please post it.

The authors reach the same conclusion that I do, child porn provides a substitute for molesting and virtual child porn may provide a substitute for real child porn.