How can I help someone I know whose cam show got recorded and uploaded to a sketchy hosting website? I believe the person who appears to have posted the file is rather infamous for recording cam models. I thought that was illegal. I also thought the cam model's website owned her images/videos if she doesn't own them. Is there anything I can do? Do any cam models have any advice for me? I am very stressed out about this.
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Second, you can't do anything directly except send her (privately) the link to the page you found, and have her contact her cam site and ask them to have it DMCA'd. If she wants to, of course. She may not actually fret that her content is capped, not all of us do.
First, don't stress. If she (your cam girl friend) did any sort of research about being a cam girl, she knew this is part of the territory. It happens constantly.MarMar said:
Second, you can't do anything directly except send her (privately) the link to the page you found, and have her contact her cam site and ask them to have it DMCA'd. If she wants to, of course. She may not actually fret that her content is capped, not all of us do.
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Thank you for responding to me so quickly. I'm afraid to tell her the videos are online because it might upset her a lot and I'm afraid she won't be able to handle the bad news. But you're saying I should tell her so she should get them taken down. Do you know if MFC is helpful as far as DMCA requests go? I heard their customer service and model support are hit or miss. Thank you once again.
Thank you for responding to me so quickly. I'm afraid to tell her the videos are online because it might upset her a lot and I'm afraid she won't be able to handle the bad news. But you're saying I should tell her so she should get them taken down. Do you know if MFC is helpful as far as DMCA requests go? I heard their customer service and model support are hit or miss. Thank you once again.
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
There are probably 100's of other recordings of her out there, so if you feel it will upset her to let her know, don't. Because it's a problem that will never end.
MFC is as helpful as they can be with DMCA with the amount of requests they probably get every day. And I am not saying you *should* tell her, I am saying if you feel it necessary to do something, that's all you can do.MarMar said:
There are probably 100's of other recordings of her out there, so if you feel it will upset her to let her know, don't. Because it's a problem that will never end.
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
I would start by asking a question like "Does it bother you that people might take screenshots or record you on cam?"
That will give you an idea of whether the model is concerned, and if she is, how much it would freak her out to find out about the recordings. As Amber says, some are more bothered by this than others.
I would start by asking a question like "Does it bother you that people might take screenshots or record you on cam?"
That will give you an idea of whether the model is concerned, and if she is, how much it would freak her out to find out about the recordings. As Amber says, some are more bothered by this than others.
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This is kinda sweet. I squee'd a tiny bit. But I'm at least 70% sure you're far more concerned about this than your model friend would be. And you don't need to worry about this stuff, ya know? Being a member is easy. Short of enjoying yourself and tipping when you can, you don't really need to worry about anything at all. Certainly not DMCAs. It might sound harsh, but if a model "can't handle" there being videos of her cam shows online, she'd probably be better off not being a cam girl, cos there's always gonna be cappers and all the worrying in the world won't change that.
My advice would be to let her know so that she can deal with it. And stop stressing
MarMar said:
This is kinda sweet. I squee'd a tiny bit. But I'm at least 70% sure you're far more concerned about this than your model friend would be. And you don't need to worry about this stuff, ya know? Being a member is easy. Short of enjoying yourself and tipping when you can, you don't really need to worry about anything at all. Certainly not DMCAs. It might sound harsh, but if a model "can't handle" there being videos of her cam shows online, she'd probably be better off not being a cam girl, cos there's always gonna be cappers and all the worrying in the world won't change that.
My advice would be to let her know so that she can deal with it. And stop stressing
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Thank you again to everyone for the advice and for being so prompt with me, especially AmberCutie as I know she is probably very busy.
It's ironic because I have been talking to the model lately about the risks of being recorded. So, I got curious, Googled her model name, and found the recordings. I'm pretty sure she is aware of the risks of being recorded but she has also been slightly naive about the whole camming thing.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's a safe assumption to say that ALL cam models assume the risk of being recorded - I think a lot of them simply do not know that this is a risk because most of the sites don't make it clear that it is a risk. The sites know that girls will not sign up if they scare them ahead of time.
I'm afraid she will go off the deep end if I tell her that she has been recorded and her videos/screenshots are online on a weird hosting site. But maybe she should know and maybe I should tell her ASAP. We've encountered a lot of stress lately and I'm not sure if now is the right time to tell her, but I'd like to get these files off the internet ASAP.
I don't know what to do, but it sounds like I should tell her. And I'd like to give her this link to these forums. I don't even think she knows about the AmberCutie forums which seem to be a HUGE help to models. I want her to know that I came here to ask the right people what to do before I proceed.
And once again, thank you AmberCutie - you do so much for webcam models that their sites would NEVER do for them.
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Thank you again to everyone for the advice and for being so prompt with me, especially AmberCutie as I know she is probably very busy.
It's ironic because I have been talking to the model lately about the risks of being recorded.
So, I got curious, Googled her model name, and found the recordings. I'm pretty sure she is aware of the risks of being recorded but she has also been slightly naive about the whole camming thing.Unfortunately, I don't think it's a safe assumption to say that ALL cam models assume the risk of being recorded - I think a lot of them simply do not know that this is a risk because most of the sites don't make it clear that it is a risk. The sites know that girls will not sign up if they scare them ahead of time.
I'm afraid she will go off the deep end if I tell her that she has been recorded and her videos/screenshots are online on a weird hosting site. But maybe she should know and maybe I should tell her ASAP. We've encountered a lot of stress lately and I'm not sure if now is the right time to tell her, but I'd like to get these files off the internet ASAP.
I don't know what to do, but it sounds like I should tell her. And I'd like to give her this link to these forums. I don't even think she knows about the AmberCutie forums which seem to be a HUGE help to models. I want her to know that I came here to ask the right people what to do before I proceed.
And once again, thank you AmberCutie - you do so much for webcam models that their sites would NEVER do for them.
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
If a model doesn't understand how the internet works, she probably should not be getting naked on it. MFC is a site for adults, and that goes for models as well as members.
If a model doesn't understand how the internet works, she probably should not be getting naked on it. MFC is a site for adults, and that goes for models as well as members.
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
First of all, if she can't handle finding out about caps without going "off the deep end", I'd call this a case of Darwinism at work, in a sense. Camming is a hard job, survival of the fittest. People really need to stop treating capping as a life wrecking situation. The guys that cap get their jollies of the girls being upset about it, getting upset is giving them what they want.
If they're sharing her CONTENT (videos she sells) as opposed to caps of her live shows, than yeah, a DMCA is in order, otherwise, it's not worth the seconds it takes to have them taken down.
MarMar said:
First of all, if she can't handle finding out about caps without going "off the deep end", I'd call this a case of Darwinism at work, in a sense. Camming is a hard job, survival of the fittest. People really need to stop treating capping as a life wrecking situation. The guys that cap get their jollies of the girls being upset about it, getting upset is giving them what they want.
If they're sharing her CONTENT (videos she sells) as opposed to caps of her live shows, than yeah, a DMCA is in order, otherwise, it's not worth the seconds it takes to have them taken down.
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Actually, I didn't know about cappers before joining ACF. Sure for a dude who watches porn it's probably pretty obvious that there are cappers out there... but for a 19/20 year old girl it's not something you've really come across of have ever thought about. I didn't know what to expect on myfreecams, the name of the site confused me, I never logged in as a perve... because I hadn't figured out the whole "my free cams" part, I hadn't realised I could have lurked as a guest for free. I've always been good as tease and private shows, and that's what I thought I was signing up for. Somewhere that I'd wait and then get taken into a private. (big surprise my camscore didn't rise very much)
I didn't even realise what camscore was until 6 months down the line camming.... I mean now that seems really dense, the worst part about it is, I'm not remotely stupid and I'm usually ridiculously aware of things like this, but the site wasn't what I was expecting, I enjoyed it, but I just bumbled through it at first. It wasn't until I started camming more regularly that I finally started working it out and brought my camscore up. A year ago I wasn't the camgirl I am today.
I don't see why so many people act like models not realising about cappers makes them idiots/not mature enough for the internet. Not everyone has been regularly browsing porn sites since they were 13, and the average teenage girl hasn't, even the teenage girls who become camgirls. Personally I've used the internet for a long time, but I used it for very different things and had only been to porn sites a handful of times... ok, maybe both hands
Yes unfortunately capping is part of cam life, but saying people should "get over it and accept it because it happens all the time", is kind of like saying to someone who gets robbed "well, you shouldn't be alive if you can't accept this is probably going to happen" It is true, chances are people will steal from you in your life, but it doesn't mean you should be cool with it or just let people get away with it every time it happens. It is something I've accepted about camming, especially on myfreecams, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
To be honest MarMar, cappings on those kinds of websites of me have always been terrible quality, barely worth viewing, they take ages to download and they're all things you can see in the public room anyway, and because it's in the public room it's not designed to be a video, it's designed to be live. Basically, the videos are generally crap all round. They're not mainstream sites but specific sites where cappers lurk around. If there's anything on a site like xhamster, or any other mainstream site then I'd let her know (though tell her never to give out her real info on dmca's), those sites will remove videos with a simple dmca request from that actual model. Things off the cappers sites aren't as easy and they usually just end up posting them again somewhere.
The damage is less as chances of someone you know from real life hanging out somewhere like that is far more slim than someone viewing you on xhamster. At least 2 people in my real life have found me in x hamster videos which I've now removed, and it took another friend about 5 minutes to find a video of me on there when he knew there was one up. He now follows me on twitter and clearly finds it all hilarious.
It's also much harder to get caps removed. These sites are made for caps, and the dudes who post on them are hobby cappers rather than dudes who decide to cap a few shows and post them up. Honestly I think with those sites I'd rather not know.
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Actually, I didn't know about cappers before joining ACF. Sure for a dude who watches porn it's probably pretty obvious that there are cappers out there... but for a 19/20 year old girl it's not something you've really come across of have ever thought about. I didn't know what to expect on myfreecams, the name of the site confused me, I never logged in as a perve... because I hadn't figured out the whole "my free cams" part, I hadn't realised I could have lurked as a guest for free. I've always been good as tease and private shows, and that's what I thought I was signing up for. Somewhere that I'd wait and then get taken into a private. (big surprise my camscore didn't rise very much)
I didn't even realise what camscore was until 6 months down the line camming.... I mean now that seems really dense, the worst part about it is, I'm not remotely stupid and I'm usually ridiculously aware of things like this, but the site wasn't what I was expecting, I enjoyed it, but I just bumbled through it at first. It wasn't until I started camming more regularly that I finally started working it out and brought my camscore up. A year ago I wasn't the camgirl I am today.
I don't see why so many people act like models not realising about cappers makes them idiots/not mature enough for the internet. Not everyone has been regularly browsing porn sites since they were 13, and the average teenage girl hasn't, even the teenage girls who become camgirls. Personally I've used the internet for a long time, but I used it for very different things and had only been to porn sites a handful of times... ok, maybe both hands
Yes unfortunately capping is part of cam life, but saying people should "get over it and accept it because it happens all the time", is kind of like saying to someone who gets robbed "well, you shouldn't be alive if you can't accept this is probably going to happen" It is true, chances are people will steal from you in your life, but it doesn't mean you should be cool with it or just let people get away with it every time it happens. It is something I've accepted about camming, especially on myfreecams, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
To be honest MarMar, cappings on those kinds of websites of me have always been terrible quality, barely worth viewing, they take ages to download and they're all things you can see in the public room anyway, and because it's in the public room it's not designed to be a video, it's designed to be live. Basically, the videos are generally crap all round. They're not mainstream sites but specific sites where cappers lurk around. If there's anything on a site like xhamster, or any other mainstream site then I'd let her know (though tell her never to give out her real info on dmca's), those sites will remove videos with a simple dmca request from that actual model. Things off the cappers sites aren't as easy and they usually just end up posting them again somewhere.
The damage is less as chances of someone you know from real life hanging out somewhere like that is far more slim than someone viewing you on xhamster. At least 2 people in my real life have found me in x hamster videos which I've now removed, and it took another friend about 5 minutes to find a video of me on there when he knew there was one up. He now follows me on twitter and clearly finds it all hilarious.
It's also much harder to get caps removed. These sites are made for caps, and the dudes who post on them are hobby cappers rather than dudes who decide to cap a few shows and post them up. Honestly I think with those sites I'd rather not know.
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Thank you Isabella. That is, in fact, a HUGE load of ignorance from Sevrin and SexySteph. You two should be ashamed for being so rude and closeminded.
SexySteph has implied that my cam model friend might never want to have a career outside of camming. It would be very difficult to get hired at a lot of businesses if there are videos of you masturbating on camera that were never meant to be out there.
And yes, not everyone knows that capping cam models is something that happens. How ignorant of both Sevrin SexySteph. I can see why AmberCutie has a bigger following than SexySteph (never heard of you girl, sry)
Thank you Isabella. That is, in fact, a HUGE load of ignorance from Sevrin and SexySteph. You two should be ashamed for being so rude and closeminded.
SexySteph has implied that my cam model friend might never want to have a career outside of camming. It would be very difficult to get hired at a lot of businesses if there are videos of you masturbating on camera that were never meant to be out there.
And yes, not everyone knows that capping cam models is something that happens. How ignorant of both Sevrin SexySteph.
I can see why AmberCutie has a bigger following than SexySteph (never heard of you girl, sry)
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Also, there are a lot of things models didn't know about when we applied as cam girls for the first time. Some of us signed up and learned more info as we went along. Give us some credit.
Another great post, Isabella. Every time we have a thread like this, people say "You shouldn't be a cam girl if capped vids bother you." Um...no. What a silly thing to say. Cam girls are allowed to dislike it. There's a difference between A) disliking it and B) it stressing you out to the point where it's affecting your ability to cam.Isabella_deL said:Actually, I didn't know about cappers before joining ACF. Sure for a dude who watches porn it's probably pretty obvious that there are cappers out there... but for a 19/20 year old girl it's not something you've really come across of have ever thought about. I didn't know what to expect on myfreecams, the name of the site confused me, I never logged in as a perve... because I hadn't figured out the whole "my free cams" part, I hadn't realised I could have lurked as a guest for free. I've always been good as tease and private shows, and that's what I thought I was signing up for. Somewhere that I'd wait and then get taken into a private. (big surprise my camscore didn't rise very much)
I didn't even realise what camscore was until 6 months down the line camming.... I mean now that seems really dense, the worst part about it is, I'm not remotely stupid and I'm usually ridiculously aware of things like this, but the site wasn't what I was expecting, I enjoyed it, but I just bumbled through it at first. It wasn't until I started camming more regularly that I finally started working it out and brought my camscore up. A year ago I wasn't the camgirl I am today.
I don't see why so many people act like models not realising about cappers makes them idiots/not mature enough for the internet. Not everyone has been regularly browsing porn sites since they were 13, and the average teenage girl hasn't, even the teenage girls who become camgirls. Personally I've used the internet for a long time, but I used it for very different things and had only been to porn sites a handful of times... ok, maybe both hands
Yes unfortunately capping is part of cam life, but saying people should "get over it and accept it because it happens all the time", is kind of like saying to someone who gets robbed "well, you shouldn't be alive if you can't accept this is probably going to happen" It is true, chances are people will steal from you in your life, but it doesn't mean you should be cool with it or just let people get away with it every time it happens. It is something I've accepted about camming, especially on myfreecams, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
Also, there are a lot of things models didn't know about when we applied as cam girls for the first time. Some of us signed up and learned more info as we went along. Give us some credit.
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
2) You're out of line, soldier. :naughty:
1) You've got something brown on your nose.MarMar said:
2) You're out of line, soldier. :naughty:
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Well, AmberCutie was very helpful and reasonable, and in your above post - you agree with my sentiment. It's not very fair to just ASSUME that EVERY cam girl knows they can get recorded because the web sites don't generally tell them that because then they would have a lot less models signing up. And also it's unfair to assume that an 18-40 year old woman is going to cam for the rest of her life. What about the girls who are camming to pay their ways through college? I'm SURE camming is not the career they want for the rest of their lives.
I just found SexySteph's post to be very ignorant and rude. It seems there are a few other models who agree with me that NOT every model is aware you can be recorded. And because of SexySteph's post, she will NEVER get any of me or my friends' tokens.
yummybrownfox said:
Well, AmberCutie was very helpful and reasonable, and in your above post - you agree with my sentiment. It's not very fair to just ASSUME that EVERY cam girl knows they can get recorded because the web sites don't generally tell them that because then they would have a lot less models signing up. And also it's unfair to assume that an 18-40 year old woman is going to cam for the rest of her life. What about the girls who are camming to pay their ways through college? I'm SURE camming is not the career they want for the rest of their lives.
I just found SexySteph's post to be very ignorant and rude. It seems there are a few other models who agree with me that NOT every model is aware you can be recorded. And because of SexySteph's post, she will NEVER get any of me or my friends' tokens.
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Sorry, I have to disagree with Isabela.
Yes, capping sucks and it shouldn't happen. Not everyone realizes capping is something that goes on on te Internet, and that's fine. But whatever happened to doing your research first?! I researched camming for a long time before throwing myself in head first. I looked at the pros and cons, which sites had the best security, which sites had the highest payout; I looked at common scams so I would be prepared, and I made sure to take as many precautions as possible to keep my private info on lockdown. This didn't take months, it took maybe a week, tops. I think it's silly to go whole-hog on ANYTHING without doing a little research on it first. If someone got a facial tattoo and ten complained no one would hire them....well, it sucks that that's the case but you should have known better. You should have looked into it before you got the facial tattoo. One Google search will tell you that almost no out will hire you for anything above minimum wage with a face tattoo. Same for camming-- it doesn't matter if you need the money or it's just for a little while, many people won't want the stigma of hiring a sex worker.
OP is the one being ignorant and rude here because he didn't get the answers he wanted. Honestly, OP, calm yourself. This model ought to be taking care of herself. It's nice that you want to help her but there is nothing you, as a member, can do except tell her when you find her stolen content, and pointing her to a forum like this where she can learn a little about the job she is doing besides "it's easy money!"
Sorry, I have to disagree with Isabela.
Yes, capping sucks and it shouldn't happen. Not everyone realizes capping is something that goes on on te Internet, and that's fine. But whatever happened to doing your research first?! I researched camming for a long time before throwing myself in head first. I looked at the pros and cons, which sites had the best security, which sites had the highest payout; I looked at common scams so I would be prepared, and I made sure to take as many precautions as possible to keep my private info on lockdown. This didn't take months, it took maybe a week, tops. I think it's silly to go whole-hog on ANYTHING without doing a little research on it first. If someone got a facial tattoo and ten complained no one would hire them....well, it sucks that that's the case but you should have known better. You should have looked into it before you got the facial tattoo. One Google search will tell you that almost no out will hire you for anything above minimum wage with a face tattoo. Same for camming-- it doesn't matter if you need the money or it's just for a little while, many people won't want the stigma of hiring a sex worker.
OP is the one being ignorant and rude here because he didn't get the answers he wanted. Honestly, OP, calm yourself. This model ought to be taking care of herself. It's nice that you want to help her but there is nothing you, as a member, can do except tell her when you find her stolen content, and pointing her to a forum like this where she can learn a little about the job she is doing besides "it's easy money!"
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Ignorant means uneducated. What exactly is Steph uneducated on??? Her post may have been harsh, but it sounded more educated than yours.MarMar said:
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
It's quite uneducated of her to assume that ALL models know that they can be recorded, because according to other EXPERIENCED CAM MODELS IN THIS THREAD, not everyone is completely aware of that when they start out.
PlayboyMegan said:
It's quite uneducated of her to assume that ALL models know that they can be recorded, because according to other EXPERIENCED CAM MODELS IN THIS THREAD, not everyone is completely aware of that when they start out.
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Capping is a risk you take with camming. Most girls that last past the 3 month mark do a little research before they start. And if they don't, they don't tend to last unless they learn quick. I'm sorry if my annoyance that people are constantly freaking out about capping upset you, but this is really is the type of problem we hear about every day from naive girls and members. There was no reason to get personal.
PS Many jobs will be hard to get after camming with or without cappers shows. Background checks will bring up camming because it'll show up on tax histories. So many many jobs will be unavailable. That's why most of us that cam intend to either be our own boss or retire 100% afterward.
MarMar said:SexySteph has implied that my cam model friend might never want to have a career outside of camming. It would be very difficult to get hired at a lot of businesses if there are videos of you masturbating on camera that were never meant to be out there.
And yes, not everyone knows that capping cam models is something that happens. How ignorant of both Sevrin SexySteph.
Capping is a risk you take with camming. Most girls that last past the 3 month mark do a little research before they start. And if they don't, they don't tend to last unless they learn quick. I'm sorry if my annoyance that people are constantly freaking out about capping upset you, but this is really is the type of problem we hear about every day from naive girls and members. There was no reason to get personal.
PS Many jobs will be hard to get after camming with or without cappers shows. Background checks will bring up camming because it'll show up on tax histories. So many many jobs will be unavailable. That's why most of us that cam intend to either be our own boss or retire 100% afterward.
Also, the point of my post was essentially what fox said here. You said she'd go off the deep end if you told her. There's a difference between responding like "damn, I'll send MFC an email then" and going off the deep end. If it'd cause her to "go off the deep end" I stand by my original point.yummybrownfox said:
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Wut??
Rude, closeminded, ignorant... these are not the hallmarks of sage advice and it's sage advice that both Steph and Sevrin imparted. It might not be the advice you want to hear, but you can't fault their logic. If someone can't stand the sight of blood, they wouldn't be suited to being a paramedic. There's no shame in that. Just as there's no shame in not being cut out to be a cam model due to the cappers.
And while I don't think Steph implied much of anything, the fact that camming can make it difficult to find future work is something that your cam girl friend should have considered before becoming a cam girl, especially if she wants a career in teaching or government.
And the fact the cam girl x may have a bigger following than cam girl y is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand and has fuck all to do with a single post on a message board. Attributing as much to a single message board post that you've decided to take offence to is a wee bit juvenile, no?
MarMar said:Thank you Isabella. That is, in fact, a HUGE load of ignorance from Sevrin and SexySteph. You two should be ashamed for being so rude and closeminded.
SexySteph has implied that my cam model friend might never want to have a career outside of camming. It would be very difficult to get hired at a lot of businesses if there are videos of you masturbating on camera that were never meant to be out there.
And yes, not everyone knows that capping cam models is something that happens. How ignorant of both Sevrin SexySteph.
Wut??
Rude, closeminded, ignorant... these are not the hallmarks of sage advice and it's sage advice that both Steph and Sevrin imparted. It might not be the advice you want to hear, but you can't fault their logic. If someone can't stand the sight of blood, they wouldn't be suited to being a paramedic. There's no shame in that. Just as there's no shame in not being cut out to be a cam model due to the cappers.
And while I don't think Steph implied much of anything, the fact that camming can make it difficult to find future work is something that your cam girl friend should have considered before becoming a cam girl, especially if she wants a career in teaching or government.
And the fact the cam girl x may have a bigger following than cam girl y is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand and has fuck all to do with a single post on a message board. Attributing as much to a single message board post that you've decided to take offence to is a wee bit juvenile, no?
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
This thread is getting silly. Here are some points that I imagine everyone would agree with:
It's a cam girl's responsibility to look into risks of the job before jumping into it. Anyone who doesn't is ill-prepared for the job. Yes, it happens all the time because naive girls see dollar signs and an "easy job" and just go for it, but that doesn't mean they aren't silly for NOT looking into it before hand.
If getting capped and uploaded to sites is a "deal breaker", she should quit now. As much as a model tries to combat and DMCA all the caps, they will still be out there constantly. They have every right to feel upset that they're out there, but if it's going to cause more stress than the job is worth, then there is no point to continue putting themselves in that position.
The only rude thing mentioned in this thread was
which was completely out of line and has no relevance to the topic.
This thread is getting silly. Here are some points that I imagine everyone would agree with:
It's a cam girl's responsibility to look into risks of the job before jumping into it. Anyone who doesn't is ill-prepared for the job. Yes, it happens all the time because naive girls see dollar signs and an "easy job" and just go for it, but that doesn't mean they aren't silly for NOT looking into it before hand.
If getting capped and uploaded to sites is a "deal breaker", she should quit now. As much as a model tries to combat and DMCA all the caps, they will still be out there constantly. They have every right to feel upset that they're out there, but if it's going to cause more stress than the job is worth, then there is no point to continue putting themselves in that position.
The only rude thing mentioned in this thread was
MarMar said:How ignorant of both Sevrin SexySteph.
which was completely out of line and has no relevance to the topic.
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Amber is right, this thread has got silly. Marmar is tagged as a newbie, so lets all play nice. He came on through concern. Xxx
Amber is right, this thread has got silly. Marmar is tagged as a newbie, so lets all play nice. He came on through concern. Xxx
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
One thing I've never totally understood is that especially for younger models, we've grown up in the time of sexting and sending nudie pics to boyfriends, even those who've never done it. I feel like it was drilled into my head that anything you send to someone can be shared, it's referenced in pop culture and stuff. Yet I see a lot of girls, particularly on MyGirlFund for some reason, who seem to believe that it could never possibly happen through camming?
I mean, at least with camming your name isn't attached to it and it's not directly sent to other people you know, but still, it seems that the more people see it, the more likely it is that someone will share it.
When I started, I didn't know about cappers per se (and I still don't understand the point in capping a public feed most of the time), but I guess it had always been repeated to me that anything you ever put on the internet will be there forever and ever.
Anyways that's neither here nor there, I suppose, I just am always surprised that us internet kids (and someone internet savvy enough to know that webcamming is a thing and know how to do it) don't think about that. But sometimes we don't and that's understandable, I can understand that it sucks to be capped too.
Also definitely tell her, even if you think it will upset her, because it's better for her to know than to continue doing it and getting more upset later. I think it'd be selfish not to tell her, actually.
One thing I've never totally understood is that especially for younger models, we've grown up in the time of sexting and sending nudie pics to boyfriends, even those who've never done it. I feel like it was drilled into my head that anything you send to someone can be shared, it's referenced in pop culture and stuff. Yet I see a lot of girls, particularly on MyGirlFund for some reason, who seem to believe that it could never possibly happen through camming?
I mean, at least with camming your name isn't attached to it and it's not directly sent to other people you know, but still, it seems that the more people see it, the more likely it is that someone will share it.When I started, I didn't know about cappers per se (and I still don't understand the point in capping a public feed most of the time), but I guess it had always been repeated to me that anything you ever put on the internet will be there forever and ever.
Anyways that's neither here nor there, I suppose, I just am always surprised that us internet kids (and someone internet savvy enough to know that webcamming is a thing and know how to do it) don't think about that. But sometimes we don't and that's understandable, I can understand that it sucks to be capped too.
Also definitely tell her, even if you think it will upset her, because it's better for her to know than to continue doing it and getting more upset later. I think it'd be selfish not to tell her, actually.
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Saving her feelings from getting hurt is not selfish. Quite the opposite.
I don't think it matters if he tells her or not. It's still going to continue to happen. I guess he has to ask himself if it's worth telling her. What her reaction would be. If she would go into a fit of despair over it, don't tell her. Save her feelings. If she is rational and expected this day to come, let her know. :twocents-02cents:
I agree with everything except for that last part.GenXoxo said:
Saving her feelings from getting hurt is not selfish. Quite the opposite.
I don't think it matters if he tells her or not. It's still going to continue to happen. I guess he has to ask himself if it's worth telling her. What her reaction would be. If she would go into a fit of despair over it, don't tell her. Save her feelings. If she is rational and expected this day to come, let her know. :twocents-02cents:
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Perhaps what she meant to say was, the OP owes it to his model friend to let her know the truth, even if the truth hurts. Maybe using the word 'selfish' wasn't the correct word to use.... *shrug*
PlayboyMegan said:
Perhaps what she meant to say was, the OP owes it to his model friend to let her know the truth, even if the truth hurts. Maybe using the word 'selfish' wasn't the correct word to use.... *shrug*
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Try this: "If I ever come across one of your vids, would you want me to let you know?"
If she says no, keep it to yourself. If she says yes, send her the link and remind her to pass it on to MFC.
MarMar said:
Try this: "If I ever come across one of your vids, would you want me to let you know?"
If she says no, keep it to yourself. If she says yes, send her the link and remind her to pass it on to MFC.
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Sorry for not clarifying!
I think it is selfish to keep information from a friend, if that information might help them from beig in a worse situation.
By which I mean, if knowing she was capped once would stress her out so much - wouldn't it be better to tell her so she can stop camming (or come to understand that camming entails capping and whatever), than to let her continue with no knowledge of it? I think for me to let a friend continue, it'd probably be for a selfish reason like I wanted her to keep camming, not that I wanted what's best or her.
Selfish sounds like a harsh word, I didn't mean to say OP is definitely bing selfish, but just in my view there could be selfish reasons for a member to not tell a model about that. Ya know? If being capped will really upset her, I think she deserves to know so she can make an informed decision whether to keep camming or not.
That said, I can understand not wanting to upset her! I think that's sweet! I just think looking at the long run, if you want her to be happy, telling her is better.
Sorry for not clarifying!
I think it is selfish to keep information from a friend, if that information might help them from beig in a worse situation.
By which I mean, if knowing she was capped once would stress her out so much - wouldn't it be better to tell her so she can stop camming (or come to understand that camming entails capping and whatever), than to let her continue with no knowledge of it? I think for me to let a friend continue, it'd probably be for a selfish reason like I wanted her to keep camming, not that I wanted what's best or her.
Selfish sounds like a harsh word, I didn't mean to say OP is definitely bing selfish, but just in my view there could be selfish reasons for a member to not tell a model about that. Ya know? If being capped will really upset her, I think she deserves to know so she can make an informed decision whether to keep camming or not.
That said, I can understand not wanting to upset her! I think that's sweet! I just think looking at the long run, if you want her to be happy, telling her is better.
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
If it was a vid of me, I'd wanna know. I just wouldn't want the guy blurting it out in public chat in front of everyone...tell me via PM or MFC Mail.
If it was a vid of me, I'd wanna know. I just wouldn't want the guy blurting it out in public chat in front of everyone...tell me via PM or MFC Mail.
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
Capping is the unfortunate side effect to the camming business, and unfortunately not everyone thinks about or is even aware of the side effects. There are numerous stories of teenagers being recorded in comprising positions through various interweb mediums (i.e. regular chatrooms, skype, etc) and spread throughout the web, ultimately leading toward the victim's suicide from extreme embarrassment. Many of those teens were naive enough to be placed in those positions. Although i'd like to think webcam models are older and more experienced and/or aware of internet risks, there are definitely some that delve into modeling with a naive mindset. They simply don't know, nor did their due diligence with research. Absolutely, models should be aware of capping. However, we can't assume that every model will know. even if they're moderately computer saavy. Some will find out the hard way, unfortunately.
GenXoxo said:
Capping is the unfortunate side effect to the camming business, and unfortunately not everyone thinks about or is even aware of the side effects. There are numerous stories of teenagers being recorded in comprising positions through various interweb mediums (i.e. regular chatrooms, skype, etc) and spread throughout the web, ultimately leading toward the victim's suicide from extreme embarrassment. Many of those teens were naive enough to be placed in those positions. Although i'd like to think webcam models are older and more experienced and/or aware of internet risks, there are definitely some that delve into modeling with a naive mindset. They simply don't know, nor did their due diligence with research. Absolutely, models should be aware of capping. However, we can't assume that every model will know. even if they're moderately computer saavy. Some will find out the hard way, unfortunately.
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Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
:roll:
And that is what I have to contribute to this thread.
MarMar said:Thank you Isabella. That is, in fact, a HUGE load of ignorance from Sevrin and SexySteph. You two should be ashamed for being so rude and closeminded.
SexySteph has implied that my cam model friend might never want to have a career outside of camming. It would be very difficult to get hired at a lot of businesses if there are videos of you masturbating on camera that were never meant to be out there.
And yes, not everyone knows that capping cam models is something that happens. How ignorant of both Sevrin SexySteph.
:roll:
And that is what I have to contribute to this thread.
Re: A cam model I know got recorded/uploaded to a hosting si
While when I became a camgirl I didn't know the extent of capping, I was also fully aware of the risks that it could cause my future careers and life before I started. Which is why I put a lot of thought into camming before doing it and why I originally hadn't done it. The day I started camming was the day I put certain dreams to rest.
The reason I didn't know about cappers and certain others things was because when I did my research I read the entire wiki, I then decided to give it a go. I regret doing that, but honestly I didn't take camming that seriously, I'd accepted the risks and I wanted to try it out. When I started I was more testing the water.
I was vaguely aware that videos and such might come up later in life, which was a part I didn't like. One of the things that made me choose myfreecams is that they advertise less with models images. Before I started camming I just didn't know anything about it. I'd never even known sites like myfreecams existed, so I thought in reading the websites information I was doing all the research I could. It wasn't until I'd already worked on the site that I learned a bit more about it, and I didn't really understand it until I came to this forum.
I don't think that's ridiculous, I saw something, I read all of their terms and conditions, all the information the site gave me, I did some research to make sure it was real, though I still had a feeling I was somehow being scammed... The money seemed like too much. But I tried it out feeling a bit apprehensive.
I think not realising that camming might come back and bite you in the arse later in life is naive. I do think though that even if you're aware of cappers, you might not realise just how big a problem it can be. I still cannot understand the large numbers of guys who dedicate hours and hours every day into recording models and uploading them to sites devoted to it. I still cannot fathom the numbers, even though I've seen it. So you could be aware that it might happen and not realise the scale of it.
I do think it's much better to do research into something, though I also think there's a point where you should just try something out for yourself. I will agree that spending a good bit of time thinking about it would be the best path into a successful career.
What I am saying is that I think a large majority of models weren't really aware of what camming was when they got into it, did research, but might not have realised just how much information there is available. Sometimes information can be overwhelming, especially when you don't know where to look.
I also think a lot of girls who think about becoming cam models want to become one's as either a rash, spur of the moment decision, because they need money or are in other situations that mean they don't really think everything through. Like Steph said, most models do not last. Hence why there are constantly new models on the site... yet the active model numbers seem to remain around the same.
I also want to point out that although I empathise with models who don't really understand camming when they start, I also do not condone you being so rude to Steph. In many ways I agree with her, it is stupid to get involved in any business you don't understand. I was stupid, but, at the same time, I had an open mind, learned on the job and eventually became a successful model. What I'm saying is that I think it's a very easy mistake to make and I think sometimes it doesn't do to judge others so harshly for their ignorance and mistakes. Everyone is born knowing nothing. We learn everything we know in life. It is partly up to us to work things out for ourselves, but we gain much of our knowledge from other people, rather than criticising people for their ignorance and mistakes sometimes it's nice to have some leeway. We have all been in similar situations.
I understand that many camgirls don't know some of the details about cappers, especially those just starting out, but it surprises me that a camgirl would start camming thinking it'd have no consequences to her future employment, or that it might never come up again. Maybe she is aware of this, but it seems you aren't... If she isn't willing to take the possible consequences or scrutiny she might face later in life then my advice is to quit immediately. Camming is good money, but it comes with its price.
I just want to point out also that I don't like you trying to be chummy with me when insulting someone who I respect. Many times on this forum we don't agree with each other, but the girls here are like family in many ways, I don't know what I'd do without them. You can thank my post without insulting people I care about. Just because me and Steph didn't have the exact same opinions here doesn't mean I'm not on the same side as her. In fact, even if I didn't like her I wouldn't appreciate you bitching about her in pm. That's just not how it works here.
I still empathise with your model friend, but you've lost my vote.
While when I became a camgirl I didn't know the extent of capping, I was also fully aware of the risks that it could cause my future careers and life before I started. Which is why I put a lot of thought into camming before doing it and why I originally hadn't done it. The day I started camming was the day I put certain dreams to rest.
The reason I didn't know about cappers and certain others things was because when I did my research I read the entire wiki, I then decided to give it a go. I regret doing that, but honestly I didn't take camming that seriously, I'd accepted the risks and I wanted to try it out. When I started I was more testing the water.
I was vaguely aware that videos and such might come up later in life, which was a part I didn't like. One of the things that made me choose myfreecams is that they advertise less with models images. Before I started camming I just didn't know anything about it. I'd never even known sites like myfreecams existed, so I thought in reading the websites information I was doing all the research I could. It wasn't until I'd already worked on the site that I learned a bit more about it, and I didn't really understand it until I came to this forum.
I don't think that's ridiculous, I saw something, I read all of their terms and conditions, all the information the site gave me, I did some research to make sure it was real, though I still had a feeling I was somehow being scammed... The money seemed like too much. But I tried it out feeling a bit apprehensive.
I think not realising that camming might come back and bite you in the arse later in life is naive. I do think though that even if you're aware of cappers, you might not realise just how big a problem it can be. I still cannot understand the large numbers of guys who dedicate hours and hours every day into recording models and uploading them to sites devoted to it. I still cannot fathom the numbers, even though I've seen it. So you could be aware that it might happen and not realise the scale of it.
I do think it's much better to do research into something, though I also think there's a point where you should just try something out for yourself. I will agree that spending a good bit of time thinking about it would be the best path into a successful career.
What I am saying is that I think a large majority of models weren't really aware of what camming was when they got into it, did research, but might not have realised just how much information there is available. Sometimes information can be overwhelming, especially when you don't know where to look.
I also think a lot of girls who think about becoming cam models want to become one's as either a rash, spur of the moment decision, because they need money or are in other situations that mean they don't really think everything through. Like Steph said, most models do not last. Hence why there are constantly new models on the site... yet the active model numbers seem to remain around the same.
I also want to point out that although I empathise with models who don't really understand camming when they start, I also do not condone you being so rude to Steph. In many ways I agree with her, it is stupid to get involved in any business you don't understand. I was stupid, but, at the same time, I had an open mind, learned on the job and eventually became a successful model. What I'm saying is that I think it's a very easy mistake to make and I think sometimes it doesn't do to judge others so harshly for their ignorance and mistakes. Everyone is born knowing nothing. We learn everything we know in life. It is partly up to us to work things out for ourselves, but we gain much of our knowledge from other people, rather than criticising people for their ignorance and mistakes sometimes it's nice to have some leeway. We have all been in similar situations.
I understand that many camgirls don't know some of the details about cappers, especially those just starting out, but it surprises me that a camgirl would start camming thinking it'd have no consequences to her future employment, or that it might never come up again. Maybe she is aware of this, but it seems you aren't... If she isn't willing to take the possible consequences or scrutiny she might face later in life then my advice is to quit immediately. Camming is good money, but it comes with its price.
I just want to point out also that I don't like you trying to be chummy with me when insulting someone who I respect. Many times on this forum we don't agree with each other, but the girls here are like family in many ways, I don't know what I'd do without them. You can thank my post without insulting people I care about. Just because me and Steph didn't have the exact same opinions here doesn't mean I'm not on the same side as her. In fact, even if I didn't like her I wouldn't appreciate you bitching about her in pm. That's just not how it works here.
I still empathise with your model friend, but you've lost my vote.
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