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Would you green-card marry an Ethiopian teen for $5,000?

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Arranged marriages seem to hold a lot of weight in some cultures. Personally, I believe its awful and really takes from the purpose of marriage, and that is to spend your life with someone you truly love. Maybe the $5,000 seems like a lot to the young girl and maybe the security is what appeals to her most. Doesn't seem like a comfortable win win situation for anybody. :twocents-02cents:
 
RubyDimples said:
Arranged marriages seem to hold a lot of weight in some cultures. Personally, I believe its awful and really takes from the purpose of marriage, and that is to spend your life with someone you truly love. Maybe the $5,000 seems like a lot to the young girl and maybe the security is what appeals to her most. Doesn't seem like a comfortable win win situation for anybody. :twocents-02cents:

I have a lot of fiends in arranged marriages, and most of them are very happy. I only know of one divorce out of about 10 arranged marriages, and that is while they are in Australia. Marrying for citizenship is a different thing, and very illegal over here.
 
This is neither an arranged marriage nor a forced marriage. This is a green card marriage -- a financial transaction, through and through. Would I do it? Yes. I might hold out for a few more bucks, but I have no romantic notions about marriage for love, and I have no illusions regarding my status as marriageable. My U.S. citizenship is pretty much the only thing I can offer to anyone, so why not? This is America, land of the Capitalist Dream, where anything and everything can be bought and sold.
 
Maybe "forced" was the wrong word to use... What I was trying to say was that I wouldn't enter into a marriage that wasn't based on genuine feelings/connection for $5000. Plus, here in America, land of the Capitalist Dream, a green card marriage is illegal. Not worth it to me.

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This is neither an arranged marriage nor a forced marriage. This is a green card marriage -- a financial transaction, through and through. Would I do it? Yes. I might hold out for a few more bucks, but I have no romantic notions about marriage for love, and I have no illusions regarding my status as marriageable. My U.S. citizenship is pretty much the only thing I can offer to anyone, so why not? This is America, land of the Capitalist Dream, where anything and everything can be bought and sold.
 
MsMarxxx said:
Maybe "forced" was the wrong word to use... What I was trying to say was that I wouldn't enter into a marriage that wasn't based on genuine feelings/connection for $5000. Plus, here in America, land of the Capitalist Dream, a green card marriage is illegal. Not worth it to me.

Well, I don't blame you. I know well enough that I'm the weirdo in this conversation, not you or anyone else who has stated that this sort of business is unappealing. And to be very clear on this: marriage fraud laws exist for very good reasons. Things like green card marriages really can open the door for all sorts of ugly business, of which I would certainly not want to be a part. And, of course, I can say whatever I want about all this, since this is all just hypothetical.

I have had the immeasurable privilege in my life to meet a great many incredible people from all over the world, as they have come to the U.S. in order to work or go to school. I think that every single one that I have known and come to call friend over the years has been unquestionably deserving of anything this country has to offer, and whenever they have left this country, it's America's loss. So, it's them that I think of when this sort of issue comes up, and if any of them had wanted to stay, and I was in the position to help them, I would have done it in a heartbeat. And I still would.

I definitely don't think that it's particularly scandalous to marry a guy in order to keep him in the country, so that he can seek an education, and then stay to become a contributing resident of America. I also don't think that accepting payment to do so is all that scandalous, either, given the circumstances, although that probably puts a bit of a darker mark on it in the minds of most people who do think that marriage should be an institution based first on love. To me, it's two people getting what they needed at the time, which seems to actually have led to both of them gaining some footing that led to better lives. Why should Cylvia Hayes have to apologize for doing such a thing? She shouldn't. What she did may have been illegal, but I have a very hard time considering it to be morally reprehensible. And, while this certainly has the type of tempest-in-a-teapot quality that can be whipped up into a public outrage and sell all sorts of papers, I hope this blows over without much controversy. It was her life before she made a public turn, and she's entitled to it. There are far, far worse things in this world that she could have been paid to bring into the country than a teenaged Ethiopian scholar.
 
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Personally 5k is not enough money. The amount of time you have to stay married for them to be a resident who can stay once divorced plus the amount of time a newly married resident cant even legally work in this country (no one seems to ever think of this) means that they are dependant on you till that time. That's easily 5k right there so really you're breaking even if not in debt at that point. I believe it's a year they cant work but someone correct me if im wrong on that. I know i easily cost 5k in food, incidentals, and clothing in a year at least. So unless they are paying their everyday costs for that time you're not even making any money out of this.

I dont subscribe to the marriage being only for love. Thats our cultures idea of it, but most of the world does not go along with that. And in history it was for merging of powerful families, for profit if you had a daughter (dowry type deal), or social standing mostly. They were arranged and planned by families, not for love. Many cultures and communities have stuck with that idea of it. I have no issue with that at all either. Or greencard marriages either. I see nothing wrong with them.
 
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Personally 5k is not enough money. The amount of time you have to stay married for them to be a resident who can stay once divorced plus the amount of time a newly married resident cant even legally work in this country (no one seems to ever think of this) means that they are dependant on you till that time. That's easily 5k right there so really you're breaking even if not in debt at that point. I believe it's a year they cant work but someone correct me if im wrong on that. I know i easily cost 5k in food, incidentals, and clothing in a year at least. So unless they are paying their everyday costs for that time you're not even making any money out of this.

All visas are tricky. They're designed that way, since it's not supposed to be easy to get into the U.S. For example, student visas have some pretty stringent limitations on when a person can hold a job, and what kind of job it can be, and it seems mostly designed to keep international students from actually seeking employment. I'm certainly no expert on the subject, but I would suspect that people who have the means to come to this country for an education, and then pay for a sham marriage in order to stay in the country, already have the means to live without your support. I have known a few people who have green-card married their way in, and they weren't really in contact with the people they were married to. And, in the article, it specifically stated that Hayes only saw the guy a few times, they never lived together, and once the marriage took place and she had the money, she took off.
 
I was actually offered 20k last year to marry a girl that already lives here who wants to get her citizenship.

It was incredibly tempting. Like I nearly said yes. Really really close to doing it.

I ultimately said no for a few reasons:

1. I'm 35. You have to stay married for 3 years which means I would not be able to have a normal relationship with anyone until I was 38. 38!

2. You have to be able to keep your cool in near-interrogation settings. They really grind you out over the three years to make sure the marriage is legit. Surprise visits. Announced visits where they isolate you and ask you and your partner questions to make sure we have our stories straight. Etc. I don't know if I could honestly do well in that type of situation.

3. The girl was incredibly gorgeous, and about 12 years younger than me so nobody would have believed it to begin with. But I also didn't want to create a scenario where I would possibly catch feelings for her knowing full well that when the three years is up, she is out the door. She's a really cool girl and we are still friends, but because I find her physically attractive, I was afraid that my penis would override my brain at some point and ruin the whole thing.

If I was given the same offer 10 years ago. I probably would have said yes.
 
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I had a friend who offered me money for this type of marriage. I think $5,000 but maybe even $10,000. I can't remember it was a few years ago. I know the deal was half up front and half 2 years later.

I didn't do it. but my reasons weren't because of any moral high ground. The friend had been in the country for years and well established friendships but was unable to visit family with being denied every returning to the US. I would have been glad to help but felt it would kind of trap me a bit a time where my life was very up in the air. And I did move out of state about a year later so I wouldn't really have been able to do that comfortably without complicating our marriage. :-D
Also we were purely platonic friends and I wasn't attracted to him, but we were flirty. And I had this weird feeling that we'd end up doing it once or twice in a drunken stuper for the hell of it because "fuck it we're already married hehe" Which probably would have been weird.

But I would have done it under a little different circumstances. Not just for the money but to help a friend. The money just cushions the risk.

I once dated someone involved in a similar situation. It doesn't really bother me. :dontknow:
But they weren't teenagers, and already a part of my life if that matters.
 
This doesn't apply to the lady in the OP's article since she was 30 at the time. But it's interesting to note there are actually a lot of college age kids who are doing something similar today. A few years ago, before my niece started college, I suggested she get married for the duration, even if it was to someone in a different state.

Financial aid for 18 year olds is based on parents income. So she doesn't qualify for a lot of federal grants. Some federal loans, but mostly it's private loans or she has to get a job to cover whatever her parents can't.

Once married that no longer applies, it's then based on the joint income of the married couple. So, with both being students, that effectively is zero. Instantly she would qualify for the maximum in federal grants and low interest loans. Then just get divorced after graduation.

One article I read was about a young lady who did that before her junior year and it still saved her around $50,000 in school costs. Based on that the combined savings for both people over the full 4 years would have been $200,000.

Forget the $5000 someone might be willing to pay you for a green card. Do it for the federal grants and you have a MUCH higher incentive.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06bcmarriage.html?_r=1&

Students worldwide compete to attend the University of California, Berkeley, considered one of the best universities in the United States.
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But economically, in-state students have a huge advantage over non-Californians, for whom tuition costs an additional $22,000 a year (as of 2010-11).

The financial stakes are so high that some out-of-state students are employing an unusual technique to meet the University of California’s strict residency requirements: they’re getting married.

These marriages do not technically break any laws, but students are understandably hesitant to speak publicly about them. The Bay Citizen was able to find nine such couples.

U.C. students from out of state must meet three requirements to establish residency — physical presence, intent to stay and financial independence — a complicated process that takes at least two years. The independence test is the hardest to pass.

When students marry, they can automatically claim themselves as independent, provided their parents do not claim them as dependents on their taxes. After that, gaining in-state tuition is a breeze.

A few years ago, a student from the Midwest believed she could not afford the annual $30,000 in student fees (including $20,000 in out-of-state tuition), so she posted on Facebook that she was looking for a husband.. (The woman requested anonymity out of fear of repercussions from U.C.)

An out-of-state student whom she did not know responded to her post, and they married in 2007, the summer before her junior year. She graduated in 2009 and estimated that the marriage had saved her $50,000. The couple has divorced.

Of 16,000 Berkeley undergraduates who received financial aid during 2009-10, just 416 were married. University officials said they were not aware of any students marrying for tuition purposes; the number of married students has not changed significantly in recent years, they said.

“If a student has a valid marriage license, it is accepted as proof of his/her marriage,” a U.C. spokesman, Ricardo Vazquez, wrote in an e-mail.

Together, the nine couples identified by The Bay Citizen cost U.C. Berkeley an estimated $350,000 in out-of-state tuition.

After she was accepted to Berkeley in 2006, Elaine Davis of Utah tried hard to establish California residency. She registered to vote in California, got a California driver’s license, worked full time in the state, filed her own taxes and had her parents stop claiming her as a dependent.

When Berkeley still denied her residency (living in an apartment owned by her father disqualified her as independent), Ms. Davis married a childhood friend. She saved $38,000 in out-of-state tuition over two years.

It is impossible to know how common such marriages are, but at least one national Web site exists to facilitate this kind of union.

Whypaytuition.com, created by Rick Conley, an air traffic controller in Texas, is a matchmaking site for couples seeking to marry in order to gain in-state tuition privileges and other savings that come from being classified as independent. It has attracted only 56 registered users since going online in 2008.

Marriage, of course, does not necessarily relieve students of the cost of college. Despite the perks of saying “I do,” Ms. Davis still graduated owing $29,000 in school loans.
 
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