The difference between men and women

[MFCGod]

I don't know why but as I fell asleep yesterday I was thinking..

Girls do cam shows where they open the door naked, or semi naked, to delivery guys; I personally have no problem at all with it, seems like harmless fun.

But then I was thinking if it was male models opening the door naked to female strangers, that seems kind of sinister, I wouldn't find that acceptable behaviour.

Not totally sure why I feel that disparity, maybe it's because men have a penis and that's a more outwardly sexual, or maybe because men generally are more physically intimidating.

I guess it's the same for doing shows in public areas. A dude secrelty flopping out his dick in a public place just seems wrong and offensive, whereas again with a female doing it, seems more like harmless fun.

I do feel like there is a fundamental difference with what should be acceptable between the genders in these scenarios

What are you guys thoughts? do I have a sexist view? or is there just some grey area between men and women.

ps. I don't think my judgement is clouded by my own sexual preferences; thinking about a random female in public doesn't arouse and me and a naked man wouldn't personally offend me (but I would find it offensive they may be intimidating other people)

 

[StacySins]

My view is that most people think it is OK for a girl to do this because women are constantly sexualised where as men aren't.

Plain and simple.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Social conditioning, innit. That combined with the fact that men and women face different dangers. The first thing a guy is likely to think upon being unexpectedly confronted by a naked woman is "Cool. Tits". One of the first things that a woman is likely to think (I would guess) when unexpectedly confronted with a naked man is "Shit. Am I in danger here?". There's also the fact that men and women are wired differently and men tend to be more visually stimulated.

 

[MFCGod]

My view is that most people think it is OK for a girl to do this because women are constantly sexualised where as men aren't.

Plain and simple.

I don't feel like that, I kind of feel the opposite

A woman being naked isn't overly sexual but a man is because he has an outward organ purely for sex

I guess I'm thinking more in terms of "what would scare people". Do you think women are less scary because people are used to seeing them naked more?

 

[Nordling]

Other than men owning them, it's got nothing to do with penises. Bob's right. We're conditioned to react in certain ways to men and women. History tells one that a naked man may be a danger, and that a naked woman isn't. Fair? Probably not, but life rarely is.

 

[MFCGod]

Other than men owning them, it's got nothing to do with penises. Bob's right. We're conditioned to react in certain ways to men and women. History tells one that a naked man may be a danger, and that a naked woman isn't. Fair? Probably not, but life rarely is.

I would guess crime statistics for sexual assault would heavily swing towards men on the abuser side and women on the abused side.

 

[SaffronBurke]

It's how society perceives sexuality. All guys want all the sex all the time, so they shouldn't be offended by seeing a naked woman because that's what they want. Men feel entitled to women's nudity and sexuality, which further makes it acceptable and even desirable for women to be naked/sexual in such settings. Male nudity/sexuality in a public setting, on the other hand, is viewed through the lens of men being horndogs and constantly wanting sex, so if your penis is out, oh my god, you're going to flop it around in people's faces and make them touch it and stuff, ew! *

To answer your question about the "scary" aspect of the situation, again, societal conditions play into this. When women go outside, we are harassed by men who feel entitled to our time, bodies, and attention, simply because they have a penis and we (they assume) have a vagina. So when a man is naked or masturbating in public, we don't see it as "cool, naked nude", we see it as a guy who feels so entitled to our attention that he's exposing his genitals to us and/or masturbating, which draws even more attention to them, forcing us to see them in a situation that we don't want to. An additional layer to this is that most pedophiles are male, so there's the concern that he's going to harm a child, or is harming children by wilfully exposing them to his genitals/him masturbating.

Take away our society's gender structures, and nobody should be exposing their genitals to people who don't want to see them, or performing sexual acts where people don't want to see them, regardless of which bits you have. It's sexual assault to do so.

(*yes, obviously "not all men" are this way. But that is how our society perceives men and encourages them to be)

 

[Teagan]

Women in society and through history have been viewed as seductive and a temptress. The female form is looked upon as a work of art. Men in society and in history have been viewed as hunters, gatherers, and takers. Their body looked upon as strength. We have held those roles since cavemen times and it's ingrained in us still. (Yes of course many rebuke this and blah blah blah.) So our instinct and societal view points put on us are a woman is to be fawned over when graced with her naked presence and it's a privilege and honor bestowed upon someone. No one should be offended by such. A man however is overt and when naked sexual only and he may be a threat due to his hunting and taking behavior. A woman thinks instantly "is he gonna take from me?" This has been our society for forever and while yes again many are different this is the majority of how it's been for centuries.

I agree though no one should force their naked bodies on anyone without their consent. Opening the door to a delivery guy who is not in on it is just disgusting behavior to me. It's not funny. It's not cute. It's just gross and shows very poor common sense and respect to me. And that goes both ways no matter what sex you are or the delivery person is.

 

[eyeteach]

Teagan you should've been a major league baseball player because, once again, you went yard and cleared the bases. That was extremely concise and insightful.

 

[AmberCutie]

The female form is looked upon as a work of art. Men in society and in history have been viewed as hunters, gatherers, and takers. Their body looked upon as strength. We have held those roles since cavemen times and it's ingrained in us still. (Yes of course many rebuke this and blah blah blah.) So our instinct and societal view points put on us are a woman is to be fawned over when graced with her naked presence and it's a privilege and honor bestowed upon someone. No one should be offended by such. A man however is overt and when naked sexual only and he may be a threat due to his hunting and taking behavior.

I would also agree with the womens' body as art thing... boobies and labia are much prettier to gaze upon than penis. We were designed with aesthetics in mind!*

*I say "designed" lightly, as I do not believe we have a "creator" but it's still funny to say.

 

[dilligaf0]

I guess it's the same for doing shows in public areas. A dude secrelty flopping out his dick in a public place just seems wrong and offensive, whereas again with a female doing it, seems more like harmless fun.

A female flopping out her dick seems wrong to me too.

 

[Picnic]

A female flopping out her dick seems wrong to me too.

I quite enjoy when Bailey Jay flops her dick out on Twitter.

 

[Rose]

From the delivery guy standpoint, assuming permission was requested first, men are generally much more likely to jump at the chance to deliver to a naked woman. I don't know many women that would be eager at all to deliver to a naked guy.

From personal experience, I get bombarded with unsolicited dick pics all day long, but I can't recall ever receiving unsolicited lady pics (though I definitely wouldn't mind.) I'd wager a bet that the delivery situation and the unsolicited pictures go hand in hand somehow. Visual stimulation between the sexes and all that.

 

[Guy]

I would also agree with the womens' body as art thing... boobies and labia are much prettier to gaze upon than penis. We were designed with aesthetics in mind!*

*I say "designed" lightly, as I do not believe we have a "creator" but it's still funny to say.

The reason why I dont watch hardcore porn is because I dont want to see another guys erect penis. Its just unsightly to me.

 

[AmberCutie]

The reason why I dont watch hardcore porn is because I dont want to see another guys erect penis. Its just unsightly to me.

Well, better to be erect than flopping about, IMO, but yeah I hear ya. And I think that's one of the allures of MFC to a lot of viewers who feel the same way, since they know they aren't going to flip through model rooms and suddenly find weiner. Some girls disrupt this concept by showing previews of videos on their stream, however.

 

[Nordling]

I would guess crime statistics for sexual assault would heavily swing towards men on the abuser side and women on the abused side.

No doubt...overwhelmingly. And that's the history.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

A female flopping out her dick seems wrong to me too.

then I suggest you stay out of South America

 

[Guy]

I would guess crime statistics for sexual assault would heavily swing towards men on the abuser side and women on the abused side.

Keep in mind that rape is about power, not sex

 

[Rose]

Keep in mind that rape is about power, not sex

That doesn't change the stats though......

 

[Guy]

That doesn't change the stats though......

not saying it does

 

[eyeteach]

I would also agree with the womens' body as art thing... boobies and labia are much prettier to gaze upon than penis. We were designed with aesthetics in mind!*

*I say "designed" lightly, as I do not believe we have a "creator" but it's still funny to say.

I totes agree with much of this statement. There is absoluting nothing more breathtaking to me than a nude woman's body, and as one that does believe in a Creator I think the reason He made the male form the way it is si so everyone could get a good guffaw out of it.

 

[Guy]

I would also agree with the womens' body as art thing... boobies and labia are much prettier to gaze upon than penis.

Breasts are beautiful

 

[camstory]

I think you are a product of your programming. Programming that is mostly built of horse shit, but at it's foundation has some solid blocks of reality. And by programming, I don't mean just external inputs - the interpretations of our puritan past.I also mean the hard wired programming that we all retain - that of tens, or hundreds, of thousands of years. And when I say you, I am referring to us all, bc I believe most of us feel very similar to you. Both the horse shit of our past sexist interpretations, and the programming of our evolution, that now serves no purpose and becomes that much more horse shit, is something we have to make an effort to work past. It has to be exposed for the horse shit it is, and we should try to educate ourselves and other out of, imo.

Bottom line, if we existed as orbs of white, or whatever color light, there would be no room for these gender discrepancies in our attitudes, and yes from that point of view, your attitudes are sexist. But we haven't got there yet, and have so much to get past, that your attitudes are not only understandable, but some would argue are still essential if for no other reason to be able to navigate through all the daily horse shit around you. You are fine, and far out front of most who don't even question or know they should question, the horse shit. And sadly, there are huge numbers of people who won't even consider that their sexist programming is any sort of wrong.

 

[Mila_]

Men and women *are* different. It's not just our genitals... we have different bone structures, different muscular development, we have different hormones, different organs, different brain functions. This makes us depend on each other for certain things not just because we were taught to behave in a certain way, sex is more than just gender.

Our sex roles are a product of these biological differences. Men are more sexually aggressive than women by design. A woman's survival strategy was to lock down a provider: a partner that would take her of her and their offspring, protect her, and defend her against aggressors. She needed him because anatomically she is weaker, smaller, and when she is pregnant and nursing she cannot fend for herself. Additionally, the cost of having sex for a woman is very high. Pregnancies have a high cost for a woman: she could die, etc etc.

Men, on the other hand, have a different survival strategy. He needs to get as many women pregnant as he possibly can. Sex is cheap for a man. He doesn't get pregnant. His seed is also cheaper. While a woman has a definite number of eggs in her by the time she is born and it will not increase, men produce semen constantly.

So this produces different attitudes toward sex. Our societies might have changed. We do not depend on each other anymore since providing is no longer a matter of strength (anyone can work at an office) and birth control eliminated the high cost of sex for women, but the fact that our societies have been different for the past 70 years doesn't trump millions of years of evolution. We are still wired the same way we were 500 or 1000 or 2000 years ago.

The reason we dont find it shocking when a woman exposes herself to a man is because we understand intuitively that most men want to be exposed to as many naked women as possible, and that women being weaker will have a hard time forcing a man to do anything at all, so she does not pose a threat on him. A man exposing himself to a woman without her consent is not seen the same way because we also understand that women are much more selective with their sexuality than men, and he being stronger could force her into things she doesnt want to participate in.

We can argue that there are attitudes we are taught when it comes to our sexual roles, and some of them are a matter of custom and tradition, but there are very real and palpable differences between the sexes that are not socially constructed, that respond to our biology, and that in many cases are the origin of those traditions.

 

[Kotik29]

I've thought about this a lot, it's hard to pin point and obviously this is a generalization but yeah men are naturally more inclined to pursue whereas women are more inclined to be selective. Biologically it has to do with survival instincts and nature's weird checks and balances. Men have thousands upon thousands of little swimmers on any given day and women are only fertile monthly....this shit makes me crazy when I go into all the other areas of differences between men and women and I wonder how any of us get out of the house in the morning....

 

[Kotik29]

ok Im getting used to the structure of these threads, need to read the last one before I reply.

"We can argue that there are attitudes we are taught when it comes to our sexual roles, and some of them are a matter of custom and tradition, but there are very real and palpable differences between the sexes that are not socially constructed, that respond to our biology, and that in many cases are the origin of those traditions."


yes. what she said.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

The problem here is clothes.

For 10 years or so now, this has been in the back of my mind. And I know how to fix it...

If I am ever elected Dictator of the World, for one full year, clothing of any type will be banned. This will undoubtedly cause mass migrations as people in northern latitudes seek out warmer locales. But I predict that by the end of that year, our species will have completely shed the sexual hangups that have plagued us for countless centuries. We will be back on track.

I have all the solutions. I only lack the power to enact the necessary reforms.

 

[AmberCutie]

ok Im getting used to the structure of these threads, need to read the last one before I reply.

"We can argue that there are attitudes we are taught when it comes to our sexual roles, and some of them are a matter of custom and tradition, but there are very real and palpable differences between the sexes that are not socially constructed, that respond to our biology, and that in many cases are the origin of those traditions."


yes. what she said.

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*sorry for the interruption of topic, carry on!*

 

[AmberCutie]

Men and women *are* different. It's not just our genitals... we have different bone structures, different muscular development, we have different hormones, different organs, different brain functions. This makes us depend on each other for certain things not just because we were taught to behave in a certain way, sex is more than just gender.

I like to quote the popular book title "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" because we really are different creatures. And it drives me batty when people can't realize there is a major difference in the way men and women operate, process things, respond to things and treat situations accordingly. Some people are so stuck on making social change nowadays that the fact that we are fundamentally different humans is brushed aside and ignored in the name of equality and promoting strong womyn. Yes, societal roles have changed since the days of cavemen, but I think it's strange to fight the fact that men and women have different physical functions in the world, and that shapes the way we emotionally and instinctually respond to things.

 

[Kotik29]

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*sorry for the interruption of topic, carry on!*

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