Sorry, I wasn't raised right for the times...

[Nothingbutfair]

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
― Douglas Adams, Mostly Harmless

I have been that fool to this (cam) community since I had my first interaction couple months ago or rather I was, up until few minutes (now hours) ago when I got a dose of reality from the discussions of this forum.

With my naive intention of just hanging out, I can't even imagine how much irritation and pain I must have caused to so many girls bugging them for expecting personal attention while (and here is the cherry on top) not paying (initially) for it on principle. I am glad I realized the need to contribute my share part quickly.

I thought I was doing a nice thing by acting like a human in the sea of animals, with no clue of how professional this whole set-up is getting emotional to the point of teary eyed at some performances and just being myself ignorant of the etiquette and norms of the environment I was in.

My sincere apologies to anyone.. rather as I know by now many of you.. who I have unintentionally put in a difficult situation.

I hope you trust me when I say my intentions were only to help, and the way of helping was foolish due to ignorance. I think other than my naivete the way I got introduced to this world also played major role. I'll share a part of it today.. and if there is any interest at all.. to hear about my experience in this world (I had long ago started believing myself to be a part of it laughing at the requests with some friends).

I'll have to leave out parts of experience in the interest of this community, but other than that I'll not sway from my version of truth. If I go overboard with ornamental language then consider it driven by habit rather than flight of mind (it's still true account)

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All the world's NOT a stage​

Part 1.
Me using my laptop for something, (can't recall probably helping myself) when a window pops-up (from corner of eye i see.. shoot, another one of those cam girl videos which will take defying my prediction of position for next avatar one after another... and first of which for some unfathomable reason will be immaculate timed to as be as inconvenient) which as a reaction, I close in fraction of second generally, though this time, by chance I captured full frame in glance and saw this really innocent, shy and nervous teen trying to raise her eyes to look up and failing after multiple attempts...

Most other single Male members of society, who are going through the daily ritual would have gone, either the way of closing the window erasing her from memory to continue on their happy journey or the way to not anger the cosmic forces who so clearly have sent assistance and rushed for their CCs to go private. This is the easy two road/decision intersection, where our parents failed us (me and my siblings) utterly and absolutely. (to not care or to care for own ends)

Our parents with their painful, unrewarding, impractical, unselfish acts, (which we had no option but to observe growing up) made us see an imaginary third path. The path to talk to her as one would to a shy scared teen offering help so she can be where she should be in a university expanding her horizons, and swear this need to do right has been the primary driver for most of the troubles we could have avoided like others, though it's also has given us the base of our confidence to not

I know this sounds like the text book definition of moral high ground.. and it definitely is because if the only return from this path, a peace of mind, for being moral, is also taken away, this path will never be taken by anyone. The perspective to give a conscious thought to is that the moral high ground is always accessible to everyone, yet some choose other rewards instead, thus losing their right to complain about missing something they have rejected...

But all this idealism fails at one point which is only visible in hindsight... guesses?

 

[Val Vega]

What?

 

[BoobieT69]

so you are asking if you should stop going in chats because you don`t pay?If so no one can force you to stop,I talk w members that don`t always pay,but of course my attention will be on paying members,after all they put food on my table.Is a matter of common sense in my opinion.TBH it bothers me when members are acting like I am a bitch because I don`t always talk back(the non paying ones),I am not sorry,I have bills to pay

 

[AmberCutie]

Good drugs?

 

[Mila_]

Did you finally take out your CC and pay her? Or is this just blabber?

 

[mynameisbob84]

Good drugs?

 

[Sevrin]

Donald, don't you have briefing books or something you should be reading?

 

[Bobbie Madison]

People choose the path they want to choose, early on in life and later. There are women with PhD's and Law degrees who are now camgirls and vice versa. Don't believe the hype. All jobs are needed to make the world go round, vanilla or not, if you're happy in your skin, then great. As for your question, no. There will always be lurkers, so do what you want. If you don't pay her, somebody else will. She's not going to starve since you weren't contributing to begin with. Some other girls might talk to you. Maybe to just have a convo when the room is dead. I know I would. That's why you can chat in the room and others have to tip for a PM.

 

[EllaGray]

Honestly it sounds to me like you are wanting to "save" the camgirls...you mentioned that the teen girl "should" be in university etc. Maybe she is, you won't know that though til you take your CC and pay her. Believe me, on the internet, the only type of white knight you can be is the one that pays.

 

[AmberCutie]

I'm sure my judgment of this dude is tainted by the incredibly strange and comparably confusing private message I was included on from this dude... but I am gonna facepalm if people respond seriously to this thread.

Some people aren't meant to be on cam sites. Or forums that focus on cam sites.

Try this site instead, OP - https://www.7cups.com/

 

[Mila_]

Honestly it sounds to me like you are wanting to "save" the camgirls...you mentioned that the teen girl "should" be in university etc. Maybe she is, you won't know that though til you take your CC and pay her. Believe me, on the internet, the only type of white knight you can be is the one that pays.

This is what rubs me the wrong way... so you realize you wronged a camgirl by freeloading, but instead of actually paying her for all the time you made her waste, you go to a forum full of strangers to apologize for your behavior towards her.

This is such a fake apology, he simply switched his venue for attention seeking from expecting attention from a camgirl in her chatroom to expecting it from many camgirls on a forum. The key here is he is still freeloading.

 

[Nothingbutfair]

so you are asking if you should stop going in chats because you don`t pay?If so no one can force you to stop,I talk w members that don`t always pay,but of course my attention will be on paying members,after all they put food on my table.Is a matter of common sense in my opinion.TBH it bothers me when members are acting like I am a bitch because I don`t always talk back(the non paying ones),I am not sorry,I have bills to pay

I do pay more than half the room on average but

People choose the path they want to choose, early on in life and later. There are women with PhD's and Law degrees who are now camgirls and vice versa. Don't believe the hype. All jobs are needed to make the world go round, vanilla or not, if you're happy in your skin, then great. As for your question, no. There will always be lurkers, so do what you want. If you don't pay her, somebody else will. She's not going to starve since you weren't contributing to begin with. Some other girls might talk to you. Maybe to just have a convo when the room is dead. I know I would. That's why you can chat in the room and others have to tip for a PM.

I think the reason of this disconnect is that most people aren't aware of the inner workings and take things at face value while everyone who has worked with or for this industry knows them as facts.

I'm going to add the rest of experience soon... to help answer some other questions..

Also, as I said I used to not pay initially but, on account of taking the time of model I did start paying.. probably better than 25% of the room at least. And I only focused on the models who were very low on camscore to ensure I'm not disturbing busy ones as well as the ones far behind get some support.

 

[Nothingbutfair]

I'm sure my judgment of this dude is tainted by the incredibly strange and comparably confusing private message I was included on from this dude... but I am gonna facepalm if people respond seriously to this thread.

Some people aren't meant to be on cam sites. Or forums that focus on cam sites.

Try this site instead, OP - https://www.7cups.com/

Hi Amber,

First of all thanks a ton for starting this forum else, I don't know how long more I would have remained oblivious of facts. Once I was able to access perspective from other side, I felt very guilty for my behavior, and tried to make amends immediately but I guess it was too late.

Thanks for that link. I'll check it out for sure. But, I have been explaining all this while, that, I have enough lovely friends and family in RL to talk to, in case of my need to talk. It's my want to learn and know more that led me to do what I was doing. I guess lonely loser image is very strong stereotype difficult to be broken.

This may help https://www.facebook.com/gaurav.lal

I know it's difficult to believe me but I'm very different than most people around and very self aware of the fact. I don't and can't really hate. The maximum I can go to is mild dislike for someone, leaving aside the anger outbursts which are short term. So, I did not want to negatively affect anyone, but as I had explained in my intro....

I'll be very grateful to you, if you'd allow me to finish the whole experience (you can censor it if there is something you deem unfit for consumption of this community.

Cheers
G

 

[Mila_]

This may help https://www.facebook.com/gaurav.lal

 

[DonaDiabla]

Okay, Nothingbutfair, I would like to pose several questions to you about your behavior and post. First, would you have bugged a porn star or playboy bunny in the same fashion? I doubt that you would have. I believe that you do this because you do not take camming as profession seriously. Second, do you feel that apologizing on here for what you did to another cam model is right? No, it is not. Third, why do you think that you are entitled to hang out in cam model's rooms within paying? Camming is a profession and most of us expect to be paid for our performances. If you like it, then pay for it. Fourth, why are you naive when it comes to camming? Personally, I never understood why guys do not treat cam models like other sex workers. Most men just jack off to cam models like they would to porn stars and other types of sex workers. Yet, you some how feel that cam models are different from strippers and escorts.Cam models are sex workers in the same vein as the stripper, escort, and other sex workers.You would not try to hang out with the stripper or escort for free, right? Fifth, why do you put so much emotion into something that should be light-hearted and fun? Interacting with cam models should be a fun way to pass the time.But people like yourself take in such a negative direction sometimes and I do not understand this at all. Maybe you can some of your reasoning. So those are just my questions to you.

A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
― Douglas Adams, Mostly Harmless

I have been that fool to this (cam) community since I had my first interaction couple months ago or rather I was, up until few minutes (now hours) ago when I got a dose of reality from the discussions of this forum.

With my naive intention of just hanging out, I can't even imagine how much irritation and pain I must have caused to so many girls bugging them for expecting personal attention while (and here is the cherry on top) not paying (initially) for it on principle. I am glad I realized the need to contribute my share part quickly.

I thought I was doing a nice thing by acting like a human in the sea of animals, with no clue of how professional this whole set-up is getting emotional to the point of teary eyed at some performances and just being myself ignorant of the etiquette and norms of the environment I was in.

My sincere apologies to anyone.. rather as I know by now many of you.. who I have unintentionally put in a difficult situation.

I hope you trust me when I say my intentions were only to help, and the way of helping was foolish due to ignorance. I think other than my naivete the way I got introduced to this world also played major role. I'll share a part of it today.. and if there is any interest at all.. to hear about my experience in this world (I had long ago started believing myself to be a part of it laughing at the requests with some friends).

I'll have to leave out parts of experience in the interest of this community, but other than that I'll not sway from my version of truth. If I go overboard with ornamental language then consider it driven by habit rather than flight of mind (it's still true account)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All the world's NOT a stage​

Part 1.
Me using my laptop for something, (can't recall probably helping myself) when a window pops-up (from corner of eye i see.. shoot, another one of those cam girl videos which will take defying my prediction of position for next avatar one after another... and first of which for some unfathomable reason will be immaculate timed to as be as inconvenient) which as a reaction, I close in fraction of second generally, though this time, by chance I captured full frame in glance and saw this really innocent, shy and nervous teen trying to raise her eyes to look up and failing after multiple attempts...

Most other single Male members of society, who are going through the daily ritual would have gone, either the way of closing the window erasing her from memory to continue on their happy journey or the way to not anger the cosmic forces who so clearly have sent assistance and rushed for their CCs to go private. This is the easy two road/decision intersection, where our parents failed us (me and my siblings) utterly and absolutely. (to not care or to care for own ends)

Our parents with their painful, unrewarding, impractical, unselfish acts, (which we had no option but to observe growing up) made us see an imaginary third path. The path to talk to her as one would to a shy scared teen offering help so she can be where she should be in a university expanding her horizons, and swear this need to do right has been the primary driver for most of the troubles we could have avoided like others, though it's also has given us the base of our confidence to not

I know this sounds like the text book definition of moral high ground.. and it definitely is because if the only return from this path, a peace of mind, for being moral, is also taken away, this path will never be taken by anyone. The perspective to give a conscious thought to is that the moral high ground is always accessible to everyone, yet some choose other rewards instead, thus losing their right to complain about missing something they have rejected...

But all this idealism fails at one point which is only visible in hindsight... guesses?

 

[justjoinedtopost]

(you can censor it if there is something you deem unfit for consumption of this community.

Looks like done been deemed unfit.

 

[AudriTwo]

I vote for OP to get a girlfriend.

 

[Guy]

Why was he banned? I didn't see anything trollish or offensive in his posts. Just seemed like a lost guy.

 

[BoobieT69]

"I only focused on the models who were very low on camscore to ensure I'm not disturbing " you are saying girls with lower camscore can`t be annoyed and disturbed by your talkative presence suuuuuuuuureeeeee.We are all here for the buck dude.Actually I am one of those girls w lower cs and let me just give you an advice on behalf of all the girls w low cs here it goes : Grab the CC ,tip when you can,and don`t bitch about not getting attention,want more than pay more!Sounds like you need a good mistress.

 

[Rose]

This dude has been blowing up private messages today and this thread plus those messages damn near made me pee myself laughing. And here I thought I had lost my marbles, hahaha

 

[Guy]

This dude has been blowing up private messages today and this thread plus those messages damn near made me pee myself laughing. And here I thought I had lost my marbles, hahaha

What did he say in the PMs?

 

[Nikola Tesla]

What did he say in the PMs?

You do realize that the P in PM means PRIVATE, right?

 

[Sevrin]

This dude has been blowing up private messages today and this thread plus those messages damn near made me pee myself laughing. And here I thought I had lost my marbles, hahaha

After Amber's mention of PMs, I figured that was the reason, rather than this thread, which was mostly WTF-worthy.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

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All the world's NOT a stage​

Part 1.
Me using my laptop for something, (can't recall probably helping myself) when a blah blah blah, blahblahblah-blah blah blah blah....
...bluh-blah blah, blah blah blah, thus losing their right to complain about missing something they have rejected...

But all this idealism fails at one point which is only visible in hindsight... guesses?

The effort that went into formatting the first post of this thread was truly remarkable. I don't know what sort of epic work @Nothingbutfair envisioned, but getting struck down before he could get to Part 2. has given me a good chuckle.

 

[OldHippy]

I'm very different than most people around

You don't say...

 

[AmberCutie]

but getting struck down before he could get to Part 2. has given me a good chuckle.

You'll be disappointed to know that the verbose part 2 that he sent me to my email after he was banned was not formatted as nicely as part 1.

You can really tell when someone is crazy when they can't just drop it and have to keep finding ways to get their last words in via other venues when they're shut down from posting here.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Disappointed that he was banned before I was able to reply, but meh what can you do? Gonna share here anyway. Yes, I know it was a P(rivate)M(essage). Since he openly rated a post of mine as funny, I'm gonna assume this isn't too dickish of me lulz.

 

[schlmoe]

Why was he banned? I didn't see anything trollish or offensive in his posts. Just seemed like a lost guy.

And therein lies your problem, Guy. (or one of them)

 

[JoleneBrody]

He was sending group PM's of incoherent bizarre ramblings. For example, Rose only knew about the PM because for some bizarre reason he included her and others in a pm addressed to me that made zero sense at all.

It was... strange.

 

[mynameisbob84]

Maybe this is like the Da Vinci Code. If everybody posts the PMs they got from this guy and we look at them all together, take them as one whole, then maybe they'll finally make sense. There is the risk that this is how we learn about the end of the world though.