something shady is going on in SPb

[theshiro]

Due to the sensitivity of this topic I am withholding specific information. I can provide it to @Stella_SC in a private email or message.

Please explain why Saint Petersburg based webcam studios are allowed to perform adult shows at their local malls, inside the changing rooms of major retailers like UNIQLO RU and XC House when branding is clearly visible on stream. Are these stores profiting from said shows and if so why is Stripchat abetting the transaction?

 

[Epitome_XxX]

Bro, it's called a public show. As long as others aren't seen, it's A-OK.

 

[theshiro]

Bro, it's called a public show. As long as others aren't seen, it's A-OK.

Are you tell me the staff at UNIQLO RU and other retailers don't notice the same models walking into their stores 2 or 3 times a day, 4 or 5 days a week for the past few months?

 

[Epitome_XxX]

Are you tell me the staff at UNIQLO RU and other retailers don't notice the same models walking into their stores 2 or 3 times a day, 4 or 5 days a week for the past few months?

How do stores have anything to do with an Adult Cam Site? One doesn't oversee another...

 

[theshiro]

How do stores have anything to do with an Adult Cam Site? One doesn't oversee another...

These studio shows are not completely improvised. Models follow a route and frequent the same locations throughout the stream. And as a corporate trainer for one of these retailers, I am concerned that one of our locations is colluding with a webcam studio, and thereby putting our customers and brand at risk. Which, by the way, is often the case as patrons can be seen entering and exiting the changing rooms, but I guess if SC's bot doesn't flag the stream for unregistered users then it's not a problem, right bro?

 

[MarieElise]

These studio shows are not completely improvised. Models follow a route and frequent the same locations throughout the stream. And as a corporate trainer for one of these retailers, I am concerned that one of our locations is colluding with a webcam studio, and thereby putting our customers and brand at risk. Which, by the way, is often the case as patrons can be seen entering and exiting the changing rooms, but I guess if SC's bot doesn't flag the stream for unregistered users then it's not a problem, right bro?

The SC staff will definitely see it as a problem. They will ask you to DM them details so they can look into it. I've seen that happen before on this forum, when people were doing the same ata public beach. You are correct in having a big issue w this. They probably won't get back to you until Monday though.

IDK how people get away with this shit. I'd straight up take their shit and break it, if I caught someone doing this stuff in a public place, w kids and people who hadn't consented to be part of it around. It's against the rules of all the major stream sites. So don't give up on this

 

[KingMarti]

The SC staff will definitely see it as a problem. They will ask you to DM them details so they can look into it. I've seen that happen before on this forum, when people were doing the same ata public beach. You are correct in having a big issue w this. They probably won't get back to you until Monday though.

IDK how people get away with this shit. I'd straight up take their shit and break it, if I caught someone doing this stuff in a public place, w kids and people who hadn't consented to be part of it around. It's against the rules of all the major stream sites. So don't give up on this

if its a studio its not outside of the realm of possibility that they have set up sets to look like public places. TBH if stripchat banned streaming in public places (which I thought they did but someone was asking about it the other day and apparently they didnt) it would be a smart move for studios to invest in "public" sets

 

[MarieElise]

TBH if stripchat banned streaming in public places (which I thought they did but someone was asking about it the other day and apparently they didnt)

Whaaaat? That's crazy (on their part)

 

[KingMarti]

Whaaaat? That's crazy (on their part)

looks like I remembered wrong, it was outdoor streams that are still allowed, so I am assuming that would mean outdoor not in a public place where it used to be public was allowed.

 

[MarieElise]

looks like I remembered wrong, it was outdoor streams that are still allowed, so I am assuming that would mean outdoor not in a public place where it used to be public was allowed.

Ok cool that sounds more correct. SM only allows approved outdoor places. So you bSically have to have it cleared that it's hidden and not anywhere other people can see or be seen. All that stuff is staged now. It didn't always used to be though, which honestly grosses me tf out.

 

[Ozzie_]

SC allows outdoor broadcasts, but NO-ONE other than registered models can appear on cam, not even in the background if I recall correctly from a post way back by Charlie.

ETA

That OP should report the issue if they think that anything breaking TOS is happening, otherwise, it's an issue for the organisations he has connections with, not SC's issue.

 

[MarieElise]

SC allows outdoor broadcasts, but NO-ONE other than registered models can appear on cam, not even in the background if I recall correctly from a post way back by Charlie.

ETA

That OP should report the issue if they think that anything breaking TOS is happening, otherwise, it's an issue for the organisations he has connections with, not SC's issue.

Hopefully it is staged, but if it is, they are not allowed to be using another company's branding. As far as I understand, from discussion w the compliance dept at SM. However, I could be wrong in that it could be only for recorded clips, and not live streams. OP might have to file a copyright infringement otherwise, but I honestly don't know how that works with live streams. Different from clips. Something the lawyers at SC should/ probably will answer.

SM's lawyers are really vigorous (rigorous? you guys know what I mean) and take that stuff seriously. But, again, that is rules for pre-recorded clips, not necessarily live streams.

 

[theshiro]

Thank you all for your responses. I have contacted the offices of the regional manager and the property management group responsible for the store's location. I guess all I can do is report these streams when stuff like this happens as many of you have suggested though I hope SC will contact me here in the coming days.

 

[My_Opinion]

Thank you all for your responses. I have contacted the offices of the regional manager and the property management group responsible for the store's location. I guess all I can do is report these streams when stuff like this happens as many of you have suggested though I hope SC will contact me here in the coming days.

If you don't mind. How did you find out about this? Are you a Tipper / Model? / Studio Owner? A patron of the businesses', employee? Other? Seems like a bunch of info is missing from this post. You said you noticed the Brand of the "retailers", but, how did you link it to Stripchat / Xhamster? Were the site names shown, too? I could be wrong, and if i am, sorry. But, this seems like you have a beef with a Model or group of Models and are trying to get them shut down. Odd feel to this post. Again, could be wrong. As another poster mentioned above, if people outside of the registered user are being shown; that's not allowed and breaks the rules. Alot of times a set is "staged" to appear to be a food store, bar or similar. At any rate, if this is a genuine post and you really are concerned with the integrity and safety of others that are being streamed without their knowledge or consent, i hope you get the right solution. If you're just being catty and had a falling out with a Studio or Model and are trying to ruin their livelihood, it's super-lame.

 

[AmberCutie]

If you don't mind. How did you find out about this? Are you a Tipper / Model? / Studio Owner? A patron of the businesses', employee? Other? Seems like a bunch of info is missing from this post. You said you noticed the Brand of the "retailers", but, how did you link it to Stripchat / Xhamster? Were the site names shown, too? I could be wrong, and if i am, sorry. But, this seems like you have a beef with a Model or group of Models and are trying to get them shut down. Odd feel to this post. Again, could be wrong. As another poster mentioned above, if people outside of the registered user are being shown; that's not allowed and breaks the rules. Alot of times a set is "staged" to appear to be a food store, bar or similar. At any rate, if this is a genuine post and you really are concerned with the integrity and safety of others that are being streamed without their knowledge or consent, i hope you get the right solution. If you're just being catty and had a falling out with a Studio or Model and are trying to ruin their livelihood, it's super-lame.

It would seem they're working for the store's company, and maybe also a patron of SC and noticed the streams or was alerted to them

And as a corporate trainer for one of these retailers, I am concerned that one of our locations is colluding with a webcam studio, and thereby putting our customers and brand at risk.

I can understand the concern.

 

[My_Opinion]

It would seem they're working for the store's company, and maybe also a patron of SC and noticed the streams or was alerted to them


I can understand the concern.

Totally didn't see the "corporate trainer" part. Got it. If that's indeed the case, they deffo have a pony in the show and should do what they need to do to protect their company.

 

[AussieCosplay]

Ok cool that sounds more correct. SM only allows approved outdoor places. So you bSically have to have it cleared that it's hidden and not anywhere other people can see or be seen. All that stuff is staged now. It didn't always used to be though, which honestly grosses me tf out.

SM allows more than that, there's a model who streams while driving around running errands. I was told that as long as other people aren't in view or heard it's ok.

 

[Stella_SC]

Hello @theshiro

I can clarify our rules.
-Stripchat does allow public streaming. This includes the allowance of streaming in stores and change rooms.
-Brand names being shown in the broadcast are fine as long as the brands are not porn video hosting sites with paid subscriptions, porn agencies, or other cam sites besides our platform
-We do NOT allow unregistered users appearing in streams.

You mentioned that unregistered users have been shown in the background. Please report these violations. You can do so by hitting the three dots above the model's broadcasting window.

 

[Stella_SC]

@KingMarti

You are correct that many of our models "stage" various locations, such as bars, stores, coffee shops, gyms, libraries, etc. This is completely allowed and a safer alternative than actually being out in public in one of these locations.

As for Stripchat banning streaming in public settings... You are correct that we did have it banned at one point, but we are currently allowing it again as long as no unregistered people appear in the background.

 

[KingMarti]

@KingMarti

You are correct that many of our models "stage" various locations, such as bars, stores, coffee shops, gyms, libraries, etc. This is completely allowed and a safer alternative than actually being out in public in one of these locations.

As for Stripchat banning streaming in public settings... You are correct that we did have it banned at one point, but we are currently allowing it again as long as no unregistered people appear in the background.

There was a lot more issues with public broadcasts other than people not being verified, like people broadcasting and doing shows where they really shouldnt be, like children's parks, or doing squirt shows in places like changing rooms, where it becomes a public health issue, big step backwards to SC imo, not to mention that doing a show in public in most places would be considered a crime which is being encouraged by SC.

 

[My_Opinion]

A big question / grey area that @Stella_SC , didn't touch on , is what to do if the "brand" doesn't want their name Live Streamed on a Cam Site like SC , do they have any recourse through SC? Would SC send a warning to the aforementioned Model or Studio and tell them to stop including their IP in the streams in someway / blur it / find a new place to do shows? Could the "brand" file a DMCA or similar to stop future inclusion of their Insignia on broadcasts? Would a Legal Team have to get involved? Not trying to fan any flames, I truly enjoy Xhamster and all the work they have layed down through the years. Honestly & Genuinely curious.

It would appear his uneasiness came from multiple issues;

1. Doesn't know if the Franchise Owners are involved in letting this happen or the Managers / Employees are doing it without knowledge of the aforementioned Owner.

2. Doesn't know if "'Hamster" is "paying" the location to "close an eye" and let this happen for views, I would guess, more content on the platform(s).

@theshiro **Totally unrelated & I don't know the laws in Russia, but, how would you know they are doing shows in "changing rooms" , were recordings of the aforementioned passed on to you? In the States, that would be illegal.

... And also if you claim you are in Corporate and are aware they are taking the "same routes" , why don't you communicate with the store and put a stop to this? Hire security, summon the Police(if you have 100% LEGAL proof, they are doing something wrong.) or similar, makes very little sense.

Best

 

[Ozzie_]

... And also if you claim you are in Corporate and are aware they are taking the "same routes" , why don't you communicate with the store and put a stop to this? Hire security, summon the Police(if you have 100% LEGAL proof, they are doing something wrong.) or similar, makes very little sense.

This.

For me if the OP has concerns, it seems that the best recourse is through the company he has ties to. Report it to his "higher ups" and then they will deal with it as they see fit. It is on them to contact SC if the have an issue, (maybe THEY are getting kick-backs from the models/studios ) as it seems that the models in question are not breaking TOS from SC's POV.

 

[Stella_SC]

@KingMarti thank you for your feedback, I will pass it on to the relevant team.

To anyone who may be curious, here is a list of our Stripchat Rules:

https://support.stripchat.com/hc/en-us/articles/4410728017553-Rules-for-Models

If anyone sees a model breaching one of these rules, please feel free to report the model by clicking on the three dots above their broadcasting screen. All reports are investigated. You may also reach out to our Support team at any time to provide feedback or your opinions, help@stripchat.com.

 

[Stella_SC]

@My_Opinion I did not touch on it for a number of reasons such as, I cannot speak on behalf of what another brand or franchise may want or how they may chose to manager their store. I also cannot disclose internal procedures, investigation details or consequences given by our platform if this were a reported case.

What I can do is share our rules, and clarify them if needed, which I have done above.

I hope you understand

 

[HeadyRaven]

Due to the sensitivity of this topic I am withholding specific information. I can provide it to @Stella_SC in a private email or message.

Please explain why Saint Petersburg based webcam studios are allowed to perform adult shows at their local malls, inside the changing rooms of major retailers like UNIQLO RU and XC House when branding is clearly visible on stream. Are these stores profiting from said shows and if so why is Stripchat abetting the transaction?

With cam modeling (at least some aspects of cam modeling) being illegal in Russia, wouldn't these studios/models be placing themselves at additional risk by doing shows anywhere inside retail stores or other public places? Regardless of what the sites allow and even if care is taken to not show any unregistered people, Russia seems like a bad place for public shows.

Although it's RU, so money could be flowing in any number of directions behind the scenes.

 

[AudriTwo]

so stripchat is encouraging their models to break laws while working their site. doing sex acts or exposing yourself in public can land you permanently on the sex offenders list here in the US.

 

[Stella_SC]

Hello @AudriTwo

We do allow public broadcasting, but this does not mean that we encourage our models to break laws.

 

[AudriTwo]

Hello @AudriTwo

We do allow public broadcasting, but this does not mean that we encourage our models to break laws.

so you prioritize profits over your models' well-being and other people who do not consent to be exposed to public sex acts. got it

i guess once your payment processors tell you no, then you will care.

 

[Stella_SC]

Thank you for your feedback @AudriTwo
We encourage all models to exercise a high level of caution with public streaming. Unregistered people being shown in the background of a model's stream is considered a very serious rule violation by us and can result in a suspension / ban for the model. Because of this, many of our models "stage" their public broadcasts, and many of our models also work with a behind-the-scenes partner to help with everyone's safety.

 

[theshiro]

Thank you for your feedback @AudriTwo
We encourage all models to exercise a high level of caution with public streaming. Unregistered people being shown in the background of a model's stream is considered a very serious rule violation by us and can result in a suspension / ban for the model. Because of this, many of our models "stage" their public broadcasts, and many of our models also work with a behind-the-scenes partner to help with everyone's safety.

This is true. Studios will use other registered models to play the role of a faceless stranger during broadcasts, but that's not my concern. My concern is the authenticity of behind-the-scenes partners especially when models are performing shows with open curtains, doors, or in empty aisles at real retail locations (not a studio set). I find it hard to believe that store employees haven't noticed any peculiar behavior at their locations given the regularity in which these shows occur. And while SC models may be in compliance with your site's rule and regulations, I believe the store's policies and country's laws override them.