Sh*tposting great market research for models/members...

[PerpetuaSlim]

This is some amazing research by @littlemisslilu!
I’ve been in the researching stage and haven’t started streaming yet, I just came across this today. Here’s the link.

What do you all think?

The results are what one would expect but it’s so good to see concrete data. As a new model I won’t feel guilty not responding to “just ‘Hi’” messages as I am not really missing out on anything!

 

[Sansa]

Thanks for posting this! Very interesting seeing the specific numbers on everything.

I stopped responding to the vast majority of people who just say "hi" without anything else. My earnings are pretty much not impacted by it whatsoever. It is not worth the headaches and annoyances dealing with time wasters.

That said, this really depends on where you plan to stream. Noticed you have an MFC link, that site is really social and ignoring every "hi" could be detrimental, you'll have to find the right balance over time. For a private based site though, ignoring the plain hi's works out better (if responding to everyone is otherwise a hassle or a waste of time/energy better spent on a better prospect).

 

[PerpetuaSlim]

Thanks for posting this! Very interesting seeing the specific numbers on everything.

I stopped responding to the vast majority of people who just say "hi" without anything else. My earnings are pretty much not impacted by it whatsoever. It is not worth the headaches and annoyances dealing with time wasters.

That said, this really depends on where you plan to stream. Noticed you have an MFC link, that site is really social and ignoring every "hi" could be detrimental, you'll have to find the right balance over time. For a private based site though, ignoring the plain hi's works out better (if responding to everyone is otherwise a hassle or a waste of time/energy better spent on a better prospect).

Thanks for the advice!

 

[JigglesJane]

This is fascinating! I see it reflected similarly in my own MFC earnings.

Two weekends ago I lowered the privacy on my PM function and now accept from all premium users. Surprisingly (to me, I've been offline for years) most the members were engaging me and the public chat.

Last weekend I decided not to respond to messages that were "hi" or "mmmm" or "hey sexy" or variants of. Didn't lose out on anything.

I also monitored who happened to be watching via PM, and if they stayed longer than 7 minutes (idk why I picked 7?) I sent them a message. Some dipped out, but I'd say 3/5 hung around and even joined public chat to encourage tipping.

You definitely start to get a feel for who is wasting time and who isn't. As a new model, you'll experience hiccups, yes, but that's why we've got this great community here at ACF.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Interesting finding, though in a way not entirely unexpected. By "booking", is she referring to skype/Private/Exclusive as that is all she does? Or, did she also track tips if she's on an open site like CB or MFC?

 

[SMuser69]

Interesting finding, though in a way not entirely unexpected. By "booking", is she referring to skype/Private/Exclusive as that is all she does? Or, did she also track tips if she's on an open site like CB or MFC?

Yeh I was wondering that also. I was thinking skyprivates myself where the person is joining a skype session to setup a paid skype session.

Still Throwing away basic civility because it doesn't guarantee income isn't a choice I would make in any customer sided industry. It costs nothing to say 'hi' for either party as it's a mere introductory word. Confusing the introduction as the beginning of business is a mistake. Ignoring an introduction can send the wrong signals that might discourage others. If I saw a model ignoring every 'hello' in a room I'd either think it's a recording or technical issue stopping her from seeing her chat. It might stop the guys interested in more services thinking she's busy with someone else they can't see.

I imagine just putting on a message, 'please no small talk just tell me your business' would also cut down on formality if it's that detrimental for time. Like there are SM models that rather you just hit the private button and they get to work and some that find it rude. Complicating the basics in the long run just frustrates people. At the same time you see models with 'must say hi' in their bios then getting annoyed because everyone says 'hi' to them.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Yeh I was wondering that also. I was thinking skyprivates myself where the person is joining a skype session to setup a paid skype session.

Still Throwing away basic civility because it doesn't guarantee income isn't a choice I would make in any customer sided industry. It costs nothing to say 'hi' for either party as it's a mere introductory word. Confusing the introduction as the beginning of business is a mistake. Ignoring an introduction can send the wrong signals that might discourage others. If I saw a model ignoring every 'hello' in a room I'd either think it's a recording or technical issue stopping her from seeing her chat. It might stop the guys interested in more services thinking she's busy with someone else they can't see.

I imagine just putting on a message, 'please no small talk just tell me your business' would also cut down on formality if it's that detrimental for time. Like there are SM models that rather you just hit the private button and they get to work and some that find it rude. Complicating the basics in the long run just frustrates people. At the same time you see models with 'must say hi' in their bios then getting annoyed because everyone says 'hi' to them.

Yep, agreed for the most part. There's something to be said about just a simple "Hello", even if there's not much beyond it. Kind of like walking down a sidewalk, think of a smile and a "Hello" and how it may help someone's day a bit more. I completely get the "don't waste a model's time" aspect, and as a member I respect that of a model. But, I also do prefer a bit of a connection to someone.

Goes to show that there's something for everyone. From those who want more of a personal aspect to "Wham, bam, NEXT!"

 

[SaffronBurke]

Interesting finding, though in a way not entirely unexpected. By "booking", is she referring to skype/Private/Exclusive as that is all she does? Or, did she also track tips if she's on an open site like CB or MFC?

Her bio says "companion", so I'm assuming these were bookings as an escort.

 

[SaffronBurke]

Still Throwing away basic civility because it doesn't guarantee income isn't a choice I would make in any customer sided industry

She's an escort, ignoring everyone who blows up her inbox to waste her time is a wise business move.

 

[Deleted member 37064]

Her bio says "companion", so I'm assuming these were bookings as an escort.

She's an escort, ignoring everyone who blows up her inbox to waste her time is a wise business move.

Thanks, I hadn't looked at her profile on Twitter, just the posted images. It makes sense now on the "Bookings" aspect.

 

[Sansa]

Yeh I was wondering that also. I was thinking skyprivates myself where the person is joining a skype session to setup a paid skype session.

Still Throwing away basic civility because it doesn't guarantee income isn't a choice I would make in any customer sided industry. It costs nothing to say 'hi' for either party as it's a mere introductory word. Confusing the introduction as the beginning of business is a mistake. Ignoring an introduction can send the wrong signals that might discourage others. If I saw a model ignoring every 'hello' in a room I'd either think it's a recording or technical issue stopping her from seeing her chat. It might stop the guys interested in more services thinking she's busy with someone else they can't see.

I imagine just putting on a message, 'please no small talk just tell me your business' would also cut down on formality if it's that detrimental for time. Like there are SM models that rather you just hit the private button and they get to work and some that find it rude. Complicating the basics in the long run just frustrates people. At the same time you see models with 'must say hi' in their bios then getting annoyed because everyone says 'hi' to them.

I do agree that it doesn't hurt to say "hi" back, and if I could go back to edit my first reply in this thread, I would clarify a bit.

In the camming world, there are a lot of fake model accounts or models not paying attention to their live chat at all. Replying a simple hi is fine, it shows you're active and there. However, if someone does not swiftly indicate what they are there for after that initial hello, especially on a private based site, the vast majority of the time they have absolutely no intention of ever wanting a private and all they want to do is just chat for free. I used to be more open with chatting with others, but stopped doing this because the chatty freeloader types often cost me shows because others usually think I'm busy. What used to be something I enjoyed to pass time ended up costing me shows.

That said, it is still astounding as to how few shows come about just from those who start out with just "hi" and not anything else shortly after.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

She's an escort, ignoring everyone who blows up her inbox to waste her time is a wise business move.

It always amazes me how so many men disregard the emotional labor sex workers go through for their job, as though having a conversation with everyone who says hi is not gonna lead to massive burnout. This is honestly something I've noticed in every dude who I've talked about sex work with, including IRL friends and such. They look at the numbers and try to calculate it perfectly, but burnout is a HUGE factor of this job, and emotional energy is a fucking precious resource that isn't really given the respect it deserves. It's like trying to tell someone how to play Magic the Gathering but having zero knowledge about mana, lol.

Ignoring an introduction can send the wrong signals that might discourage others. If I saw a model ignoring every 'hello' in a room I'd either think it's a recording or technical issue stopping her from seeing her chat. It might stop the guys interested in more services thinking she's busy with someone else they can't see.

Honestly this is the main reason I respond to people who say "hi" in my camroom, because even on camsites they rarely tip or do anything useful. I want others to know they can approach me. This is a completely different situation, however, than a DM/text/etc, so it's pretty irrelevant when it comes to responding to private messages.

You say it doesn't cost anything to respond to "hi"; that is false. Every woman knows that these men will most likely continue to bother us, ask a bunch of questions, and often end up harassing us. Why encourage that? (And yes, responding at all does, unfortunately.) I'd rather spend my limited energy on a more likely, less exhausting thing.

 

[Rose]

HELL YEA! Thanks for posting this. It feels good to see numbers on things I've come to know as fact after being in, around, and watching the adult industry at large for 8 years. I could definitely see these percentages aligning with my experiences pretty damn close.

 

[violetismyname]

It would be interesting to see this study replicated in camming though

 

[JoleneBrody]

Yeah when referencing pm/dm its probably pretty accurate but I would not apply this same strategy to live chat on a camsite.

 

[Rose]

Yeah when referencing pm/dm its probably pretty accurate but I would not apply this same strategy to live chat on a camsite.

For Pornhub it would probably be the closest would be my guess.

 

[JoleneBrody]

For Pornhub it would probably be the closest would be my guess.

Oh god yes. If I replied to every dick avatar in my pornhub inbox it would be a full time job!

 

[Sansa]

It would be interesting to see this study replicated in camming though

For a more social site, the numbers will be a bit different since there's more of an expectation of the model to be engaging and entertaining from the beginning. This is totally fine, although it's definitely a better fit for certain personality types. A private based site like Streamate, this is totally true though. Granted it is a chat platform, so the first hi might not be someone who is a complete time waster, but their subsequent questions reveal quite a lot.

There's usually a bit of downtime in between shows on SM, so maybe I'll start keeping track of conversations and where they tend to go for more concrete numbers.

 

[Lelo1]

Still Throwing away basic civility because it doesn't guarantee income isn't a choice I would make in any customer sided industry. It costs nothing to say 'hi' for either party as it's a mere introductory word. Confusing the introduction as the beginning of business is a mistake. Ignoring an introduction can send the wrong signals that might discourage others. If I saw a model ignoring every 'hello' in a room I'd either think it's a recording or technical issue stopping her from seeing her chat. It might stop the guys interested in more services thinking she's busy with someone else they can't see.

I get your point on humanity and civility. And every persona is a potential customer, a chance to sell.

But on the other side, this is a job. I mean if I went to a bar and it's packed, I would not expect the bartender to have time to just chat it up with me. Especially if they're doing their job, taking orders, serve drinks.

 

[ElaySmith]

I keep a document with copy/paste messages that I can send out quickly to generic inquiries I receive.

member: hi
model: Hi, were you looking something special today... cam show or custom video? Let me know what your interested in so we can make something happen.

The response to this message will generally let you know if they are interested in paying for a service or just wasting your time. Now don't get me wrong, I don't answer EVERY message but this is an easy way to get through them and not waste a bunch of time/energy while still trying to pick up some new customers. If were talking about during live cam time SM already allows us to save messages so that we can answer faq's in chat quickly and efficiently.

 

[Rose]

Oh god yes. If I replied to every dick avatar in my pornhub inbox it would be a full time job!

I actually went through (last year....? Time doesn't matter) and did a generalized copy/paste "greeting" to all of those people. Absolutely nothing resulted from it other than probably 90% of them unsubscribing from my page and/or blocking me. It is NOT worth it even remotely.

 

[AmberCutie]

I actually went through (last year....? Time doesn't matter) and did a generalized copy/paste "greeting" to all of those people. Absolutely nothing resulted from it other than probably 90% of them unsubscribing from my page and/or blocking me. It is NOT worth it even remotely.

It's probably better to ignore them, right? I feel like less would unfollow/block for an ignore than a spammy sounding greeting right? Kinda like getting an auto-DM on Twitter... I usually unfollow those kinda people immediately.

 

[Rose]

It's probably better to ignore them, right? I feel like less would unfollow/block for an ignore than a spammy sounding greeting right? Kinda like getting an auto-DM on Twitter... I usually unfollow those kinda people immediately.

Ultimately, yes. The worst part was that my messages were tailored so that it was obvious it wasn't an auto spammy situation. These types of people are just total fucking assholes. They are never worth the time and will never amount to anything. They are worthless and shitty.

I tested it because I had had a few hundred messages in my inboxes on Pornhub and various other tube sites, so I wanted to see how people would react to getting "effortless" responses on my part, to see if it would help show people that I'm actually a real person. Literally even just saying hi back often resulted in being blocked. It is NOT worth it. These types of people are just timewasters.

 

[Sansa]

Ultimately, yes. The worst part was that my messages were tailored so that it was obvious it wasn't an auto spammy situation. These types of people are just total fucking assholes. They are never worth the time and will never amount to anything. They are worthless and shitty.

I tested it because I had had a few hundred messages in my inboxes on Pornhub and various other tube sites, so I wanted to see how people would react to getting "effortless" responses on my part, to see if it would help show people that I'm actually a real person. Literally even just saying hi back often resulted in being blocked. It is NOT worth it. These types of people are just timewasters.

You know, this is really important thing that you're bringing up. The vast majority of people who say hi in chat on cam leave immediately after I respond their hello. I've seen a lot of other models mention this too. This is even weirder when someone sends a message to our inboxes, we respond, and they never respond back.

This is honestly really sad, that when many of us take the time, even if it's just a few seconds, to respond in some way to someone who contacted us first, that they just leave, block, ignore, etc. All of those seconds or minutes add up to a lot of wasted time.

 

[SaffronBurke]

You know, this is really important thing that you're bringing up. The vast majority of people who say hi in chat on cam leave immediately after I respond their hello. I've seen a lot of other models mention this too. This is even weirder when someone sends a message to our inboxes, we respond, and they never respond back.

This is honestly really sad, that when many of us take the time, even if it's just a few seconds, to respond in some way to someone who contacted us first, that they just leave, block, ignore, etc. All of those seconds or minutes add up to a lot of wasted time.

Hell, half the dudes who ask "hru?" don't even stay long enough for me to respond, like why did you even ask?

 

[Deleted member 37064]

You know, this is really important thing that you're bringing up. The vast majority of people who say hi in chat on cam leave immediately after I respond their hello. I've seen a lot of other models mention this too. This is even weirder when someone sends a message to our inboxes, we respond, and they never respond back.

This is honestly really sad, that when many of us take the time, even if it's just a few seconds, to respond in some way to someone who contacted us first, that they just leave, block, ignore, etc. All of those seconds or minutes add up to a lot of wasted time.

I can never understand this aspect myself. Even in a real conversation, if one starts a conversation, then just abruptly stops/ignores or whatever, is just plain rude.

 

[Rose]

You know, this is really important thing that you're bringing up. The vast majority of people who say hi in chat on cam leave immediately after I respond their hello. I've seen a lot of other models mention this too. This is even weirder when someone sends a message to our inboxes, we respond, and they never respond back.

This is honestly really sad, that when many of us take the time, even if it's just a few seconds, to respond in some way to someone who contacted us first, that they just leave, block, ignore, etc. All of those seconds or minutes add up to a lot of wasted time.

Which is exactly why I tested it in the first place. The world is full of assholes. The internet is a breeding ground for the cesspools of humanity to fester and devolve. It is not worth the emotional labor or the actual time wasted.

 

[SMuser69]

I can never understand this aspect myself. Even in a real conversation, if one starts a conversation, then just abruptly stops/ignores or whatever, is just plain rude.

When did 'hi' become a conversation?

 

[Deleted member 37064]

When did 'hi' become a conversation?

While generally not an in depth conversation, if someone says "Hi" it could be considered an invitation to conversation. While sometimes it's just being cordial, such walking and saying "Hi" with a smile to someone, in a conversational setting, I think it's a bit rude if one doesn't allow for a response. Just like some might consider it rude if they say "Hi" to someone, and that person doesn't acknowledge it if they see it.

 

[Sansa]

When did 'hi' become a conversation?

The simple hi, hey, or hello isn't a conversation on it's own of course, but it's them initiating conversation. I have no problem if someone just wants to browse or silently hang out for a bit to see what I'm like, but it's absurdly rude to start a conversation, which is exactly what saying hi is doing, and then leave.

As a model, I never initiate a hello unless it's someone who's had a show with me before. Most members don't want to be put on the spot, especially if they're just browsing or don't want to feel pressured, I get that. However, if someone says hi and then they leave immediately after responding, what's the point of even saying hi to begin with? Why waste my time?

Because of this thread, I've started tracking every single interaction I get in my room, who knows, maybe when I get enough data I'll also post the result. Anyway, the number of members who say hi and then leave is astounding. If they have a connection issue, SM shows that, and that is very uncommon occurrence compared with those who do this and leave voluntarily. So far it's close to 30% if not more that do this.