Recorded public shows

[RandomDude]

Hey, I might got a strange question, but first I won't say any names or links.


What if there would be a site where recorded public shows would be available for sell of every model on chaturbate and myfreecams and if the site claims that from every sell made from their videos, the model receives 50%.

I mean models could have a new income stream without the need to put in extra work.


Of course it is illegal, but my question is:
What does models think about this idea? Good or bad?

 

[RebelleHart]

Models can record their own public shows and sell it themselves. I'm not sure the need for this service?

 

[LucyRider]

Also I feel like a recording of a whole show might be more boring than you think haha.

I haven't been doing clips long so someone much more experienced feel free to jump in but I think the reason people buy clips (which is the market you'd be catering for I guess) is to get something of a high quality doing a particular thing. As opposed to a live cam feed where people will accept the model adjusting camera angles, stopping to read chat because that is part of the experience.

In short I'm not sure there is a market for buying cam recordings - it doesn't fill the need for interaction or the need for get that exact this you want in a concise time with good angles.

But I'm Def interested to know if anyone has had success selling their live cam recordings!

 

[ExcellaExe]

Also I feel like a recording of a whole show might be more boring than you think haha.

I haven't been doing clips long so someone much more experienced feel free to jump in but I think the reason people buy clips (which is the market you'd be catering for I guess) is to get something of a high quality doing a particular thing. As opposed to a live cam feed where people will accept the model adjusting camera angles, stopping to read chat because that is part of the experience.

In short I'm not sure there is a market for buying cam recordings - it doesn't fill the need for interaction or the need for get that exact this you want in a concise time with good angles.

But I'm Def interested to know if anyone has had success selling their live cam recordings!

Usually when people recorded their shows it's their cumshows or their final countdown shows that they record, not the whole thing.

There are a few girls on here that do that, actually. I'm sure they could give you more insight than I could. I'm just now getting back into the swing of preparing for a return to MFC.

 

[JoleneBrody]

Also I feel like a recording of a whole show might be more boring than you think haha.

I haven't been doing clips long so someone much more experienced feel free to jump in but I think the reason people buy clips (which is the market you'd be catering for I guess) is to get something of a high quality doing a particular thing. As opposed to a live cam feed where people will accept the model adjusting camera angles, stopping to read chat because that is part of the experience.

In short I'm not sure there is a market for buying cam recordings - it doesn't fill the need for interaction or the need for get that exact this you want in a concise time with good angles.

But I'm Def interested to know if anyone has had success selling their live cam recordings!

I do! I record the good parts of every show and send it to anyone that tipped a certain amount that night. It's rare I don't have at least one non-reg tip for it and my room frands enjoy it, especially the sleepy ones who can't always stay

 

[AwesomeKate]

I record my entire show and sell it for a tip of 105 each day. I usually get about 15-20 people purchasing it. The quality of it is higher than would be recorded from MFC because I record directly through X-Split.

I take care of this myself and receive 100% of the purchases so I am not interested in a service like you are proposing

 

[Violet Dawn]

I can't be the only person who read this and thought "Oh, and another person who wants to make passive income off our hard work and think they're doing us a favor."

 

[RandomDude]

Thanks for you answers.

Models can record their own public shows and sell it themselves. I'm not sure the need for this service?

I am not saying models need a service for it, but models sell it then in their profile or topic and like this you had a hole site dedicated to it.

Also I feel like a recording of a whole show might be more boring than you think haha.

I haven't been doing clips long so someone much more experienced feel free to jump in but I think the reason people buy clips (which is the market you'd be catering for I guess) is to get something of a high quality doing a particular thing. As opposed to a live cam feed where people will accept the model adjusting camera angles, stopping to read chat because that is part of the experience.

In short I'm not sure there is a market for buying cam recordings - it doesn't fill the need for interaction or the need for get that exact this you want in a concise time with good angles.

But I'm Def interested to know if anyone has had success selling their live cam recordings!

Talking about the sites that are already online doing kinda the same, there seems to be a market, but they don't seem to cooperate with models at all.

Usually when people recorded their shows it's their cumshows or their final countdown shows that they record, not the whole thing.

There are a few girls on here that do that, actually. I'm sure they could give you more insight than I could. I'm just now getting back into the swing of preparing for a return to MFC.

Yes, I know that some models do it, but like mentioned before, like this only the regular people in your room probably buy them, if you have a whole site, you might get sells from people that are just lurking around.

I do! I record the good parts of every show and send it to anyone that tipped a certain amount that night. It's rare I don't have at least one non-reg tip for it and my room frands enjoy it, especially the sleepy ones who can't always stay

There are quite some reasons why people might like the idea to get previous shows.

I record my entire show and sell it for a tip of 105 each day. I usually get about 15-20 people purchasing it. The quality of it is higher than would be recorded from MFC because I record directly through X-Split.

I take care of this myself and receive 100% of the purchases so I am not interested in a service like you are proposing

I am not proposing anything, I am just asking what you think about it, because I found it interesting to know.
Sure, models can record their own shows in a higher quality, but you also have to upload them every time, which means it takes more time and you need to have a decent upload speed if you shoot them in real hd quality.

And there are ways to watch shows on mfc in at least 800x600 which seems a lot better than what the mfc player offers.

I can't be the only person who read this and thought "Oh, and another person who wants to make passive income off our hard work and think they're doing us a favor."

Doesn't cb/mfc also make passive income from your hard work?

 

[RandomDude]

Isn't this the whole idea behind ManyVids?

not really, manyvids is for premium videos.
not especially recorded shows (parts of it maybe).

 

[dilligaf0]

Isn't this the whole idea behind ManyVids?

 

[ExcellaExe]

Yeah, MFC and CB make income off of us, but because they host us on their site and bring the traffic/site/features/broadband/everything else, it's worth it. We give them the chunk of profit because of those reasons. I don't see a reason to give a site like you're suggesting anything when I can just host the video somewhere for free and give the controlled link to someone whenever they buy it--like I normally do. Also, do all girls get on your site by default on CB and MFC, and have to tell you to opt them out, or do they have to apply? If so, you'll run into some serious DMCA issues from the get go.

 

[JoleneBrody]

not really, manyvids is for premium videos.
not especially recorded shows (parts of it maybe).

not that I'm arguing per se' but my recorded shows sell the most on manyvids but manyvids doesn't really advertise itself this way of course.

No lie, I don't think your idea is terrible but I would only really support it if it were in partnership and part of MFC. If MFC (I don't fuck with CB) offered this type of service I would be excited!

 

[RandomDude]

Yeah, MFC and CB make income off of us, but because they host us on their site and bring the traffic/site/features/broadband/everything else, it's worth it. We give them the chunk of profit because of those reasons. I don't see a reason to give a site like you're suggesting anything when I can just host the video somewhere for free and give the controlled link to someone whenever they buy it--like I normally do. Also, do all girls get on your site by default on CB and MFC, and have to tell you to opt them out, or do they have to apply? If so, you'll run into some serious DMCA issues from the get go.

yeah sure, but like you said, i said before, if you have a dedicated site like this, there are also options to generate traffic you might not have otherwise.
and of course a site like this also requires a lot of servers and bandwidth and of course features would need to be implemented as well.

i see 3 options there:
-recording everything and when models decide to opt in, all previously recorded shows become public then (no dmca problem) but might be pretty complicated to start a site like this because you need to invest a lot before making any money at all.
-waiting for models to opt in and start then recording, depending on how fast models would know about the site it could take a while before it actually receives a lot of traffic because of the lack of content.
-recording everything and publishing everything and models can opt out (a lot of dmca issues) but a lot of traffic pretty quick.

i think option one would be the best, but also the most expensive one.

not that I'm arguing per se' but my recorded shows sell the most on manyvids but manyvids doesn't really advertise itself this way of course.

No lie, I don't think your idea is terrible but I would only really support it if it were in partnership and part of MFC. If MFC (I don't fuck with CB) offered this type of service I would be excited!

if i think about manyvids, i see premium videos (like short videos that get on point)
recorded public shows are not like that, it's broad, sometimes boring and needs good tagging to become interested for visitors.

i don't think mfc or cb would partner with a site like this. but they might not be against it since they focus on live cams not recordings.
and part of means it is a service from mfc and i don't think mfc wants to spent so much money on something that makes less profit than just live cams.

 

[VeronicaChaos]

I record my shows in 1440×1080. I'm assuming most models record natively at a higher resolution than MFC. How would a third party handle the fact that their service can't record at the same level as a camgirl herself? If it's just capped shows, what makes your service more valuable than just downloading capped shows myself from the numerous websites that already do so?

Edited to add: my recordings also sell well on Manyvids.

 

[RandomDude]

I record my shows in 1440×1080. I'm assuming most models record natively at a higher resolution than MFC. How would a third party handle the fact that their service can't record at the same level as a camgirl herself? If it's just capped shows, what makes your service more valuable than just downloading capped shows myself from the numerous websites that already do so?

Edited to add: my recordings also sell well on Manyvids.

sure, models can record their own shows in a better quality, but considering that you need to upload it on your own then, takes with full shows some time and a decent upload speed.
not at all, a site like this would loose on that part.
do we talk about legal sites which cooperate with models?

 

[Teagan]

Thing is you are not offering us anything we can't do ourselves and aren't willing to do ourselves for 100% profit and with better quality. It's not hard to hit an upload button and walk away. We don't have to sit there staring at the bar moving. A lot of us already have decent upload speed because the job depends on that. If we don't have it we're working toward getting it at least. It also doesn't make sense that we may potentially get more sales by using your site (once it's up and running and with traffic) because we already are on sites with more traffic that you will ever have with more girls than will ever allow you to record their stuff. We're already there and just a click away from every member on. You could never compete with that. MFC allows us to each have our own personal page and sell whatever videos we want, any way we want, for any price we want with profiles. They can be changed at anytime by us too. We have complete control. And Chaturbate allows the same. SM you just have to go about it differently but it's still our stuff with our prices and so on.

So honestly you really offer nothing.

 

[BraisleeAdams]

sure, models can record their own shows in a better quality, but considering that you need to upload it on your own then, takes with full shows some time and a decent upload speed.

You do realize this is our job right? We're fine with uploading, I already do it to multiple sites. And since many of us here also cam (like the girls you're talking to) do you really think our upload speed is a problem?

 

[Violet Dawn]

Doesn't cb/mfc also make passive income from your hard work?

No, because I don't work on either of them right now.

But no, in all seriousness, no they aren't making "passive income." They are hosting us, advertising us, dealing with most of the legal things. They are doing work on their end. They are making it possible for us to make money on their sites. You want to piggyback off our hard work AND theirs. What you're doing is something we can do ourselves, something a lot of us do ourselves.

 

[AudriTwo]

i know on my site, you cant sell copies of your show on other sites. you are dealing with copyright territory.

 

[Dan Epstein]

When there are content and marketing experts like Jolene on this thread, I can certainly say that "sisters are doin it for themselves". If they were looking for an associate, there are avenues for them to do so, just my two cents about it.
I hope I didn't offend anybody, however you (Random Dude) should really start perceiving models as expert freelancers and entrepreneurs for starters.

 

[heybarkeep]

I can't be the only person who read this and thought "Oh, and another person who wants to make passive income off our hard work and think they're doing us a favor."

Was pretty close to the initial thought after reading the op. Just switch our and us to their and them. The sentiment has only been reinforced by continued reading.

 

[Smores]

I do! I record the good parts of every show and send it to anyone that tipped a certain amount that night. It's rare I don't have at least one non-reg tip for it and my room frands enjoy it, especially the sleepy ones who can't always stay

As a marketing person, I can say that is actually a brilliant customer loyalty strategy. Giving little gifts to the night's high tippers show a lot of class, and it makes those tippers feel valued. I am sure it would increase customer retention rates.

 

[Smores]

I record my entire show and sell it for a tip of 105 each day. I usually get about 15-20 people purchasing it. The quality of it is higher than would be recorded from MFC because I record directly through X-Split.

I take care of this myself and receive 100% of the purchases so I am not interested in a service like you are proposing

As someone who has heard your show twice, I would have guessed that you are not the typical case. Your guitar concerts are over-the-top incredible. Your singing is very intimate and emotive. In fact, you should probably be out there playing in local venues. Do you find the singing shows sell through more recordings than just a normal show does?

 

[ExcellaExe]

Kate also has really cerebral conversations in her rooms. There are a few times I perv in there and walk away wanting to research certain things she's talked about. You're pretty badass, @AwesomeKate

 

[Smores]

Kate also has really cerebral conversations in her rooms. There are a few times I perv in there and walk away wanting to research certain things she's talked about. You're pretty badass, @AwesomeKate

That is pretty spot on as well. I feel like I am listening to a radio show with a smart host, not a webcam performance. Rock on @AwesomeKate .

 

[Smores]

Hey, I might got a strange question, but first I won't say any names or links.


What if there would be a site where recorded public shows would be available for sell of every model on chaturbate and myfreecams and if the site claims that from every sell made from their videos, the model receives 50%.

I mean models could have a new income stream without the need to put in extra work.

So, politically, you are offering something that is going to make half of your customers hate you before you even explain the product. People who illegally steal the model's content and put it up on webcam hosting "tube" sites are the bane of the webcam community. They steal all of the webcam model's commercial interests. They create a permanent public record that might prevent her from seeking some types of employment in the future. They violate her privacy. So offering a service based on this type of product is not going to win you friends, even if your intentions are good.

Think about providing a service with a broader purpose. For example, one thing I see that the community needs is a service to administer customer loyalty programs. So, for example, maybe fan club members would get a recording of each show for free. Maybe fan club members get access to videos at reduced rates. Maybe fan club members get an occasional free video. Maybe fan club members get free snapchat access. But when a fan club member quits, who administers all of the backend processes that deliver these products? If you offered automation for this that might have value.

In terms of automatically recording shows and helping to distribute those - either free to a specific customer list or for sale separately - provide value-added technology that the model cannot do herself. For example, what if you recorded the video and then had a back end computer system separately encode watermarks into each customer's copy of the video? What if you provided encryption for the video and then customized the password for each customer? Now if that content ends up on some tube site, it contains secret watermarks that tell you who stole the content, so you can terminate their access. In other words, do something technically that adds value.

 

[curvyredhead]

Of course it is illegal

This is reason enough to say no.

If it's illegal then you wouldn't wana pay taxes on that income....but not paying taxes on that income is also illegal....so....

The only way this would work would be to legitimize it, meaning MFC would need to be involved somehow.

That being said. IF MFC was involved---I might be interested depending on the specifics ...i.e: Do all shows go for sale, or can we pick if we liked the show, thought it went as planned etc. ...If these shows are auto recorded and uploaded how and when is price determined....I would not feel comfy with someone else pricing my content.....there is of course sound and video quality concerns that have also been brought up...Can we remove select videos, can we download and have a copy as well....Can we sell this copy on other sites...

I can think of a million other question....

All in all...IF MFC would be involved, and it would a legitimate income...I would super consider it!! If not....then not a chance.

 

[AwesomeKate]

Wow, guys. Thanks. I gots the warm fuzzies from this thread now.

 

[skyteam]

Just my 2 cents as an active tipper...

If the model works on MFC, she could share her own production on MFCShare. And get paid with tokens by the same members following her. Myy be the same works on CB but I'm not sure...

Just a crazy "Orienteering Course" for a fan to follow his models around the web : MFC or CB, then Manyvids, Clip4sale, etc... Plus Free Social medias as Instagram, Tumbler, Snapchat or Twitter. Plus messaging as Kik or Whatsapp... And also paying or premium Snapchat, Onlyfans or TeddysGirls...

Ho, I forgot MyCamMatch...etc, etc...

So please, consider the fans do not have unlimited fundings and need to concentrate on what's is important for them. As someone said it before, this Adult industry is mature and most models know how to make money by themselves, without the need to "help" another guy catching 50% of their earnings...

 

[TokenGesture]

50%

&

illegal

Hot damn! This is just the sort of business deal I love Boy. Y'all need to hit me up next time you're in my neck of the woods and give me the skinny on this here proposal. Be sure and keep an eye out for Sheriff T W Killjoy though. He's bent on cramming my miscreant lifestyle. Now if you don't mind I gotta get on and check my moonshine stills back yonder in the holler.

50% and Illegal! Hot diggity dog!