Question about Skyping..Opinions?

[x0missdalis]

Hey guys! I'm new here so first off hi and I'm super excited. Waiting to be verified as a model but so far this site has been a LIFESAVER to me. I've stripped before but this is a completely different confusing world to me but y'all seem so nice and helpful so I'm excited to be on here!

I've done a lot of reading through the threads so far to get tips because my first night I did wonderful (for what I was expecting) and managed to grab a few regulars. I've been on about 8 times after that and have the hardest time even getting people to come IN to my room but I've read lots of tips on that so hopefully I can work on that and get more people in! Or if I do get people in it's the kind so many girls complain about...the ones that are silent no matter what you do/say

ANYWAYS on topic now haha...I picked up a regular my first night who is wonderful and incredibly nice/generous to me. I got a lot of requests for Skype shows and not knowing what I was doing I downloaded Skype and charged tokens for my Skype name to sort of balance the cheaper rate. Needless to say this regular is the only one I ever Skyped with, and he likes to Skype A LOT. The first time we Skyped he was very generous for our 10 minutes, had no problem tipping first, was pleased with the show and I was pleased with the tokens. The second time (and yes I know this is my fault but hear me out) I did one short show with him where he tipped me appropriately beforehand. He wanted another show, but wasn't home, was using another laptop and asked me if he could send the coins as soon as he got home. I don't want to go into detail but there was more to the situation where not tipping me at the moment was understandable and I trusted him because he was such a good regular to me thus far. The show was an hour and twelve minutes long, and after we both got off and I sent him a nice message reminding him in a friendly way to remember to tip me once he got home & how long we had been on for. (hey, gotta cover your bases) The next morning I woke up to a tip 100 coins more then what he had tipped me for our very first show. Our first show was ten minutes, that one was an hour and 12. HUGE DIFFERENCE. My boyfriend and I tried to brainstorm ideas because as I said I'm new, and I didn't want to come off as rude or greedy or potentially lose him as a regular. We couldn't think of anything so next time he asked for a Skype I mentioned that we should figure out a rate that worked for both of us because I really enjoyed doing shows with him but ..and then explained the difference in what he had paid me. He was really nice about it and then offered what he originally was giving me for a 10 minute show...SO FRUSTRATING. (Hope that all made sense)
So now I'm kind of stuck in a debacle because all the Skyping with him has really taken a toll on my camscore (and the fact I need more regular hours) but it dropped from 1200 to 813 in like a day and a half. It's up a little now but I gotta be over 1000 to be happy & I really want to work hard at MFC and get it right.
Do y'all think it's worth it? Even if I set a limit with him? I know they get a huge advantage on the price part of it but I'm just worried about telling him I'm not going to be Skyping anymore (unless it's for a prize or something) because he's a good regular, I like him as a person and he's one of the only ones I got :? (lol)​

 

[LadyLuna]

1. Are you using the browser or the software? If you're using the software, make sure you log off and close the whole software down when you go to skype, or it says you're still online. The reason girls accept less tokens for skype is because they can log off and not have those minutes go towards teh camscore.

2. let him know that what he tipped for 10 minutes was good for a 10 minute show. If he whines about it, he's not such a good regular.

3. Don't do any more skype shows with him until he pays you what he owes you.

4. do the skype shows when you're not supposed to be on MFC. If you're not on when you're supposed to be, other people will not be able to find you.

I know it's hard, and I know it feels like you're losing the only money you can make, but it's really not worth it if he keeps it so that he really is the only money you can make. *hugs*

 

[bob]

My boyfriend and I tried to brainstorm ideas because as I said I'm new, and I didn't want to come off as rude or greedy or potentially lose him as a regular. We couldn't think of anything so next time he asked for a Skype I mentioned that we should figure out a rate that worked for both of us because I really enjoyed doing shows with him but ..and then explained the difference in what he had paid me. He was really nice about it and then offered what he originally was giving me for a 10 minute show...SO FRUSTRATING. (Hope that all made sense)
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it does, and my nickle has a couple of thoughts on this situation
1/ "a nice generous regular" who talks you into a long skype somewhere not home and simply "doesn't get" (my interpretation) the idea of an equitable compensation raises all kinds of red flags for me....particularly because you're new....sure it could just all be a giant misunderstanding, buy skype lovers are kind of notorious for taking advantage of the situation
2/ yeah you made some mistakes....but to me they're understandable, given the excitement of being new, and there being so many "ropes" to learn....i'm glad you've got someone close to you to help you sort this out.
3/ #1 here is just my opinion and could be way off base.....i encourage you to listen to and trust your instincts....and i'm sure that others more knowledgeable than i will come along with sound advice.​

 

[SoTxBob]

Hi new girl ! :hello2:
from my side of the cam you made 2 mistakes.. you trusted him and you didn't have a set price. Skype pervs are almost always looking for cut rate prices and many will try to pull one over on you somehow. Id not worry about this fella or his feelings simply bc he KNOWS the 10 minute price isn't anywhere near enough for the hour long show. He needs to rectify that before you do any more business with him. Also, skyping shouldn't hurt your CS simply bc you need to be logged out of mfc before you do them. If you have a room of any size, have them pay up front and set a time to meet them . Don't ever stay logged in for them. Good luck ! :-D

 

[x0missdalis]

I don't feel like quoting everything right now because I'm about to get back on MFC and I'm sooo tired haha. But I really, really appreciate the responses and :hello2: to everyone

I DO make sure I log off before because as SoTxBob said, you have to be logged off one to do the other. I honestly had no idea what price to set because I hadn't discovered any forum like this yet and I didn't get much info from the internet or other girls profiles. Obviously I can't charge what a Miss MFC can for a skype show, IF they even do them. I kind of thought I was getting ripped off but I actually came across a "guide" (not sure if it was on here or another forum like this I was browsing) for girls who choose to do Skype shows and he was right on par with that. So who knows. I just feel like it has the potential to become a shady situation but again I don't want to lose him as a regular cause I really do enjoy his company. I suppose if he is a good regular he'll understand and if not if I want to be successful on MFC I suppose I have to be firm.

Oh those moral dilemmas.

Thanks again guys!

 

[Anonymous]

If you don't want to use Skype with guys on MFC, then don't. It may be a popular thing among MFC models, but it doesn't mean that you have to do it. There are a few popular things on MFC that I choose not to do, and I've never regretted my decision. Some models charge tokens for Skype, some models only offer Skype shows as a contest or raffle prize, and some models choose not to use Skype. Either of these options is fine, as long as it's what you've decided works best for you.

I decided a few days ago that I will start charging 75 tokens per minute for Skype. It's a rate that I'm happy with, and anyone who complains about it can just keep it moving and click 'Next Model'. Guys hopping from room to room trying to convince models to log off and do a 10-minute naked dildo Skype show for only 100 tokens ain't cool. :naughty:

I do think that if you're going to charge tokens for Skype, it would be a good idea to have a minimum. For example, if you charge 80 tokens/minute but you don't have a minimum, you may get some knucklehead trying to tip 80 tokens for you to "fuck your pussy real deep and hard real quick" for a minute. LOL. I think it'd be a good idea to have AT LEAST a 10-minute minimum. And make sure to let the guy know - prior to him tipping - if he needs to wait for you to finish your MFC shift first, or if you're willing to log out of your chatroom right now to Skype chat with him. Always accept payment for Skype shows beforehand (none of this "I'll tip you later...don't worry, I'm good for it"), and never accept PayPal payments for cam shows.

Another thing to watch out for is going way over in your Skype show time. If he paid for a 10-minute show, don't allow yourself to stay on Skype with him for an hour...(unless you WANT to stay on with him longer for free). Some guys will try to keep you in a Skype show longer than what they paid for, hoping that you lose track of time...don't let that happen.

Good luck, and sorry for the long post.

 

[Anonymous]

If I want to be successful on MFC I suppose I have to be firm.

YES. :thumbleft:

 

[AllisonWilder]

A regular private costs 60 tokens a minute, a TruPrivate costs 80 tokens a minute. Just to put the math in perspective: 72 minutes in a private show with you would equate to 4320 tokens, 72 minutes in a TruPrivate is 5760 tokens. You don't have to discount your prices for anyone. Not even because you have a lower camscore. Not even because you're new.

I've got a super low camscore and still charge 60 tokens a minute for Skype. Charge what you're comfortable with. If you feel like he'll continue to be a regular, and you're comfortable with that, set a rate and don't negotiate. If someone feel like they can barter your price down, they'll try.

Don't ever get on cam without payment up front. Lots of us have done it (myself included) and we've been burned. It's a lesson learned kind of thing.

If you decide to keep doing Skype shows, don't let them run long (or much longer) than the allotted time, they'll keep pushing for longer.

You'll get tons of tips once you're verified. Good luck to you!

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I'd be very careful with him, work out how much he paid for the 10 minutes, then times it by 7, that should be how much he's paying for that skype. And then after that you need to set your own price on it. I have had guys who've tried coming across as 'regulars' but they've actually been trying to basically scam me into doing cheap/free shows. Having an expectation that each show they take should be cheaper than the last!

Something I've noticed with skypes is people can be really dodgy about how much they tip, we arrange say 500 tokens for this amount of time, then they tip 450 saying, sorry that was all they had. Because they've already tipped, they feel they'll get away with it. Never let them get away with it. Unless they're tipping you in your room constantly for shows/you etc and have therefore already paid for a skype, doing cheaper/free shows is a bad idea! You get guys who start feeling they're entitled to it.

Obviously not all members are like this, but this man will be aware that he was convincing you into this show under false pretences, he was also aware that you spent over an hour in the show and that 100 extra does NOT cover that! And he is also aware that he has not explained himself or didn't mention prices etc during the show. Everyone makes mistakes, but you need to be very clear with this member, as he may be playing the 'I'm the nice regular who's going to help out a new model' but what he may be doing is removing you from meeting new regulars and then ripping you off. There are many men who go for new models, some go to try and help them (I was lucky enough to get a brilliant regular to show me the ropes and kind of 'adopt me', but he buggered off as soon as my new model status went, I've seen him a couple of times in my room since, I'm pretty sure he enjoys helping new girls out), but many will act like they're helping when they're pretty much taking advantage of you. You need to be totally straight with this guy, obviously be civil, but don't worry about hurting his feelings, if he's decent then he'll tip the correct amount and will stick around, if he's not you want him out of your room. Don't worry about regulars leaving, they leave all the time for various different reasons, it tends to work out that a new one will replace them as then your attention is more free. You may miss the old ones, but sadly it's just part of the job!

 

[x0missdalis]

You girls are awesome, I'd have a book if I quoted everything I wanted to comment on. Kinda gives me a little boost of confidence to (again) be more firm and not let people get away with shit. Thank you so, so much :-D

(seriously)

Everyone makes mistakes, but you need to be very clear with this member, as he may be playing the 'I'm the nice regular who's going to help out a new model' but what he may be doing is removing you from meeting new regulars and then ripping you off. There are many men who go for new models, some go to try and help them (I was lucky enough to get a brilliant regular to show me the ropes and kind of 'adopt me', but he buggered off as soon as my new model status went, I've seen him a couple of times in my room since, I'm pretty sure he enjoys helping new girls out), but many will act like they're helping when they're pretty much taking advantage of you. You need to be totally straight with this guy, obviously be civil, but don't worry about hurting his feelings, if he's decent then he'll tip the correct amount and will stick around, if he's not you want him out of your room. Don't worry about regulars leaving, they leave all the time for various different reasons, it tends to work out that a new one will replace them as then your attention is more free. You may miss the old ones, but sadly it's just part of the job!

Unfortunately I'm starting to think that's what might be happening with him =/ I decided until I better get the hang of things (and since I really have no fan base right now anyways) I'm going to just use Skype shows with what few regulars I do have that enjoy them and as prizes. I need to spend more time on my profile and learning the more basic stuff I think before I try to juggle that and MFC on a regular basis. I'm just so IMPATIENT. But anyways I may just have to stop with him altogether because he's starting to become more and more pushy about doing shows...like demanding that I get off and do them immediately or complaining if I can't deliver a girl on girl show request (that I never promised and explained that I probably couldn't do since I moved across the country and don't really know anyone in my city, let alone girls like me)...etc. Like I mentioned my neighbor had been asking me about camming and he went on and on and on about us doing a show together even though I repeatedly told him she wasn't signed up yet and we hadn't discussed all the details of that yet as I don't know her that well. Then I made the mistake of mentioning I had been texting her earlier and he spent the next hour begging me to do a Skype show with her right then and there, and then got mad when I repeatedly told him no because it was 5am and for all the reasons I explained before. Like...what?

I just feel so bad and I need to stop feeling bad. It boggles my brain how when I danced I had no problem being a bitch to people to their face and being like no fuck that fuck you this is how it is but I'm a pushover online. I feel like it should be the opposite.

Ok I'm done rambling now, I have insomnia.
& :hello2: to everyone else who said hi to me

 

[AllisonWilder]

You're not a pushover. You're new. It's really, really easy to cling to regulars in the beginning because without someone talking to you or tipping you, you think you'll be left twiddling your thumbs.

A good regular is NOT that pushy. The longer you let him whine/bitch/beg, the harder camming will be for you. MFC is hard enough mentally and emotionally to learn early on and cut ties/put your foot down(and it's easier said than done, I know from experience). Not only will this guy repeatedly try to bully you into shit but he'll make you dread camming.

If I was in your shoes, I'd link him to this thread: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=5544 and leave it at that.

 

[mynameisbob84]

He may seem like a good regular because you're new and 'good' is relative, but paying for ten minute's worth of a 72 minute Skype show is poopy. Like others have said, get a set price in place for Skype shows and always, always get the tokens upfront.
Also, this dood sounds like a dick. Please don't confuse him being polite in order to get what he wants and tipping well for certain things but tipping way, way under the going rate for other things with being a 'good regular'. There are plenty of those guys around and they're all the poopz. A good regular won't try to rip you off like that :twocents-02cents:

 

[mynameisbob84]

And don't feel bad. It's not remotely your fault. You're new to this and you'll learn as you go along, just like anyone who's new to anything

 

[IsabellaSnow]

God this guy sounds like a real prick! Demanding someone does a girl girl show is ridiculous! I mean yeah, because all girls just say to each other: "hey, we barely know each other, neither of us are lesbians/bi, but let's get on camera and have sex with each other for the entertainment of one man!".....

It's ridiculous! This idea that cam girls are going to instantly give everyone blowjobs and fuck their female friends whenever they hang out with them.

This guy isn't only a pushy prick, he's an idiot. He's doing the worst thing of mfcs guys, he's begging. Ban immediately, 60 days, if he ever comes back into your room, ban him again. You don't even have to say goodbye. If he sends you an mfc mail you can just say "Sorry, you were causing me hassle and I'm fed up with it." or not answer at all. In fact, you can always read it by pressing 'respond' first, read it, if it's totally knobbish, just delete it. It'll still be marked to him that you haven't read it.

I had guys at the very beginning when I started camming, you start talking to them and want to believe everything they say etc or at least give them the benefit of the doubt, when they start doing this stuff it can really get to you. As soon as you ditch him you should feel better, and once you don't have him hassling you, you can meet new regulars etc.

I've semi been there with some guys, never like this though. But there are some men who just want to control you for their own selfish needs.

Another piece of advice I'd give if you haven't already, bar pm's from anyone except friends list. It was the best thing I ever did, you end up getting a LOT of timewasters who pm you, and they tend to say a lot more personal stuff, it's easier for them to manipulate you.

 

[Beach_Love]

If he was really a cool dude he never would have: asked you to do anything you didn't want to, made unreasonable demands on your time at all let alone ones that negatively affected work, and wouldn't have expected you to treat him any differently than any other guy.
Bottom line, Guy=Douche and it sounds like he pretended to be a nice guy to later take advantage of you. What a dick.