question about privacy issue

[molo]

(I’m a French-Canadian, so excuses my English)

I’m not trying to sell anything, I just want some info / advice … but I have to give a little background story so it makes sense.


In the past, I worked as an investigator for a company that tried to get as many information as possible on future buyers. Of course, being me, that depress me and I quit. But over the time, I develop a few tools that are really useful. Anyway, long story short, I sign up on stream mate / mfc a few years ago and I realised that some models had a lot of problem with copyright claim (screepcaps being used on share web site), personal information that leaks, and the list goes on and on.
As I felt like the knowledge I got from my old job could be useful, I offer my help to two cam girls. Over the time, I helped them secure their personal information (Facebook or other social web site, email, personal web site, etc), also helped them with copyright claim (the tools I develop are really useful to crawl the web).

So anyway, a friend of mine told me, last week: “you should contact MFC or stream mate, if they see what you can do, I’m sure they could give you some work”, and I’ve been thinking about it since then. I contact MFC, but no answer, same thing with SM.

Really, as much as I know it could be useful to some persons, I still don’t know how I could offer this service in a more professional way. It's such a touchy subject.

As cam girls, could a service like that be useful ?

Any kind of advice would be really nice I still don’t know what’s the best way to present this service without looking like a weirdo.

peace,
molo.

 

[AllisonWilder]

(I’m a French-Canadian, so excuses my English)

I’m not trying to sell anything, I just want some info / advice … but I have to give a little background story so it makes sense.


In the past, I worked as an investigator for a company that tried to get as many information as possible on future buyers. Of course, being me, that depress me and I quit. But over the time, I develop a few tools that are really useful. Anyway, long story short, I sign up on stream mate / mfc a few years ago and I realised that some models had a lot of problem with copyright claim (screepcaps being used on share web site), personal information that leaks, and the list goes on and on.
As I felt like the knowledge I got from my old job could be useful, I offer my help to two cam girls. Over the time, I helped them secure their personal information (Facebook or other social web site, email, personal web site, etc), also helped them with copyright claim (the tools I develop are really useful to crawl the web).

So anyway, a friend of mine told me, last week: “you should contact MFC or stream mate, if they see what you can do, I’m sure they could give you some work”, and I’ve been thinking about it since then. I contact MFC, but no answer, same thing with SM.

Really, as much as I know it could be useful to some persons, I still don’t know how I could offer this service in a more professional way. It's such a touchy subject.

As cam girls, could a service like that be useful ?

Any kind of advice would be really nice I still don’t know what’s the best way to present this service without looking like a weirdo.

peace,
molo.

What exactly would your service be? Do you just look for screencaps/videos that have been posted around the web and then have them taken down?

 

[Jessi]

(I’m a French-Canadian, so excuses my English)

I’m not trying to sell anything, I just want some info / advice … but I have to give a little background story so it makes sense.


In the past, I worked as an investigator for a company that tried to get as many information as possible on future buyers. Of course, being me, that depress me and I quit. But over the time, I develop a few tools that are really useful. Anyway, long story short, I sign up on stream mate / mfc a few years ago and I realised that some models had a lot of problem with copyright claim (screepcaps being used on share web site), personal information that leaks, and the list goes on and on.
As I felt like the knowledge I got from my old job could be useful, I offer my help to two cam girls. Over the time, I helped them secure their personal information (Facebook or other social web site, email, personal web site, etc), also helped them with copyright claim (the tools I develop are really useful to crawl the web).

So anyway, a friend of mine told me, last week: “you should contact MFC or stream mate, if they see what you can do, I’m sure they could give you some work”, and I’ve been thinking about it since then. I contact MFC, but no answer, same thing with SM.

Really, as much as I know it could be useful to some persons, I still don’t know how I could offer this service in a more professional way. It's such a touchy subject.

As cam girls, could a service like that be useful ?

Any kind of advice would be really nice I still don’t know what’s the best way to present this service without looking like a weirdo.

peace,
molo.

There have been services in the past which sent out copyright notices on behalf of webcam models, but these weren't anymore satisfactory than MFC, and were pretty expensive.
As for the personal info leaks, the reason those are so hard to take down is because they usually aren't illegal.

If you want to post your advice in our existing threads on the topic Im sure it would be really appreciated, but unless you're a lawyer or have some kind of bonded certification you'd be hard pressed to find models willing to give you their information/payment. Its unfortunate but we're not a very trusting group of people and for good reason. Maybe if you had a solid business set up with good references and credentials people would be open to it.

You could try contacting MFC (I think they usually have news updates or wiki updates when they are hiring but this doesnt happen often.)

 

[molo]

What exactly would your service be? Do you just look for screencaps/videos that have been posted around the web and then have them taken down?

I did 2 things for the 2 cam girls I helped.

1 - I used some crawler (css script) to get all the screen caps I could find, it also help to find the source of some of them, this can be usefull is they don't use the cam girl name in the file. Then I remove them from the hosting service and remove the links from google.

2 - It was about privacy information, some infos leaks out and one the them asked me to check what I could do. Of course, once it's leak, their is not much I could do, but with her approval, I look for any web site with her infos and we managed to secure everything.

There have been services in the past which sent out copyright notices on behalf of webcam models, but these weren't anymore satisfactory than MFC, and were pretty expensive.
As for the personal info leaks, the reason those are so hard to take down is because they usually aren't illegal.

If you want to post your advice in our existing threads on the topic Im sure it would be really appreciated, but unless you're a lawyer or have some kind of bonded certification you'd be hard pressed to find models willing to give you their information/payment. Its unfortunate but we're not a very trusting group of people and for good reason. Maybe if you had a solid business set up with good references and credentials people would be open to it.

You could try contacting MFC (I think they usually have news updates or wiki updates when they are hiring but this doesnt happen often.)

Yeah, I totally agree and understand, that's why it's kind of hard to offer this service.

Really, it's just sometime I love to do and (not to brag) I'm good at it. My friends keep telling me I should turn that into bill-payment, but I'm not a business man, and I don't know yet if it worth the time to created a web site, etc, etc., I totally understand why models wouldn't trust a random dude on the internet.

I think the best way to do it would be to contact MFC, anyway I'm just thinking out loud right now.

Thanks for your feedback!

 

[ILikeUonTop]

I look for any web site with her infos and we managed to secure everything.

So you want models to give you their private info so that you can keep it out of the hands of Internet pervs? Riiight.

 

[molo]

I look for any web site with her infos and we managed to secure everything.

So you want models to give you their private info so that you can keep it out of the hands of Internet pervs? Riiight.

I'm not asking anything right now, I though I would check with cam girls if it's something they would like and what could be the best way to present it, or even the best way to do it. that's all. I understand it can be seens as the way you see it, and that's why I'm still thinking about that idea ...

but for clarification, I would never ask a models to give me pvt information. that's the whole point... the idea is to secure what they have or use, not to give it to me.

Thanks for your feed back

 

[AmberCutie]

This is not something that would be useful to models, especially those here at ACF who are already on the track of doing and learning things for themselves.

Sorry, molo.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

To disagree with amber:

Offering these services to the adult industry as a whole could be very useful. Just realize there are already services out there that do this.


And if he offered to do more in the way of securing my personal information than MFC does, And if he came with some form of exceptional references ... and a non-disclosure agreement... and it was affordable, it would absolutely be a service I would find useful and time saving.

One service I have looked into was a service that would place false leads all over the internet, about my real information. This way, when my information was leaked (which at one point it was) rather than focussing on removing it, it would simply be buried in information. If it ever happens again, this will be a service I will make use of.

Re: caps and video leaks, I do not care so much. MFC covers most of that for me.

 

[molo]

the more I think about it, the more I believe it "could" be interresting if the service would be offer by the caming web sites, like when the girl sign up, it can come with it if she feels like she needed it.

 

[AmberCutie]

I'm just in the mindset that there are already established, credible companies that a person could hire to do such things, that didn't necessarily start out as a cam site member, who inquired about such things on a cam girl forum.

*shrug*

Edit to add: sorry if I skipped across the posts and thought he was offering a service directly to the models, but even if it's something offered directly to the cam sites... I guess I just feel like they are bigger, more professional companies than we may give them credit for, and likely they have already thought out these things and/or have processes in mind for such things.

Sorry if that sounds unsupportive, but I don't see this going from cam site member to professional copyright detective who works for huge companies like MFC or SM.

 

[molo]

To disagree with amber:

Offering these services to the adult industry as a whole could be very useful. Just realize there are already services out there that do this.


And if he offered to do more in the way of securing my personal information than MFC does, And if he came with some form of exceptional references ... and a non-disclosure agreement... and it was affordable, it would absolutely be a service I would find useful and time saving.

One service I have looked into was a service that would place false leads all over the internet, about my real information. This way, when my information was leaked (which at one point it was) rather than focussing on removing it, it would simply be buried in information. If it ever happens again, this will be a service I will make use of.

Re: caps and video leaks, I do not care so much. MFC covers most of that for me.

Yeah, that's really interresting. Those kind of thing could be done, but I think the hardest part would be to present that in a profesional form. Still, I still believe it would be the best if caming web sites could offer those service, so maybe if I check with them, that would be more easy to "present" the service.

love the feedback! thanks!

 

[molo]

I'm just in the mindset that there are already established, credible companies that a person could hire to do such things, that didn't necessarily start out as a cam site member, who inquired about such things on a cam girl forum.

*shrug*

I agree that it look weird. I know that I'm not trying to scam nobody or whatsoever.

As for the established, credible compagnies, yes, they existe. I worked for one of them in the past. They also collect informations for other reason that I'm not morally confortable with. I didn't start out as a cam member.

As for me coming on a cam girl web site, I have no problem with it. I love cam girls. It was just to started a discussion, nothing else. I'm just curious, that's all.

edit : no, its not unsupportive, thats the kind of feedback I love. The thing is, I love doing that, I enjoy doing it in the past as a job, but I was not confortable with the reasons beyind it. I'm mosly thinking out loud and trying to see if it's a good idea to continue

 

[AmberCutie]

I'm just in the mindset that there are already established, credible companies that a person could hire to do such things, that didn't necessarily start out as a cam site member, who inquired about such things on a cam girl forum.

*shrug*

I agree that it look weird. I know that I'm not trying to scam nobody or whatsoever.

As for the established, credible compagnies, yes, they existe. I worked for one of them in the past. They also collect informations for other reason that I'm not morally confortable with. I didn't start out as a cam member.

As for me coming on a cam girl web site, I have no problem with it. I love cam girls. It was just to started a discussion, nothing else. I'm just curious, that's all.

Roger that. :handgestures-salute:

I'd really suggest skipping asking our opinions and get yourself a good business plan and propose ideas in a super professional manner directly to the people who would be hiring you for such. We wouldn't be your market as customers, the cam sites would, if I understand correctly.

 

[molo]

cool!

 

[Koolguy321]

Over the time, I helped them secure their personal information (Facebook or other social web site, email, personal web site, etc), also helped them with copyright claim (the tools I develop are really useful to crawl the web).
I did 2 things for the 2 cam girls I helped.
1 - I used some crawler (css script) to get all the screen caps I could find, it also help to find the source of some of them, this can be useful is they don't use the cam girl name in the file. Then I remove them from the hosting service and remove the links from google.
2 - It was about privacy information, some infos leaks out and one the them asked me to check what I could do. Of course, once it's leak, their is not much I could do, but with her approval, I look for any web site with her infos and we managed to secure everything.

I'm not an investigator or anything, yet I'm near sure i could do just as much or something similar to what you would be offering to MFC or SM.
Searching/crawling websites for recordings and personal information is far from the hardest thing in the world to do, same for removing links from websites and from google searches isn't that hard either.

There have been a few posts where people have said that MFC already has something setup to crawl websites for recordings and stuff (though that's all they have ever been, just posts, nothing more)

the more I think about it, the more I believe it "could" be interesting if the service would be offer by the caming web sites, like when the girl sign up, it can come with it if she feels like she needed it.

I couldn't see many models choosing to opt-in for this service, Maybe it's just me but i don't see how you offer anything which a model herself or cam site can't already do.
Sure it is a handy service but seems like something the Cam site would rather take care of themselves internally, rather than partnering with you.

I mean it sounds like you are just one guy who has years of experience, I would have a hard time trusting you with anything, never mind a cam model or a cam site trusting you.

If I'm understanding it right, a cam model would sign up to a cam site, get's a message describing your service, then would they pay a one-off payment or pay it monthly ?

If so, they are then paying you to search on websites for recordings of them (because none of their information has leaked yet), which you then get takedown yourself or do you report them to the camsite ?
* You say you already get stuff takendown, but seeing as it is the cam sites content, do you have the legal right to request content be removed whenever it is the cam sites content ?
Cam sites already have people hired to take care of this anyway.

With the personal information, you say about securing it and you mention facebook, email etc, what exactly would you be doing ?

To me if this service was ever setup, it would be a great target for someone to hack and steal all the personal information about the cam models.

 

[molo]

The main idea was to create a discussion, nothing else. I’m not trying to sell anything or pretend it’s a “complicated things”.

I worked in the pass with company that collect information, therefore, I have a bit of knowledge. That’s really all it is.

Anybody with time and a computer can find anything they want. The idea is to do it in less time and more frequent in order to protect the informations. From the discussion I had with 2 cam girls, it’s a service they would like. My main concern was to find a way to present that, and I agree, it sounds fuckin weird (I knew it from the beginning) I’m not a business man anyway, I was thinking out loud if that could be useful or not.

 

[Alexandra Cole]

There's something to be said about the ability to find vids that wouldn't normally be found through a casual search.

I'd rather be the one who decides whether to take action, but it would be useful knowing what's out there. That's a service I'd be interested in from time to time.