Pornstars

[PlayboyMegan]

Although this is under "ask-a-model," I wouldn't mind guys opinions on it, too.
Ladies: Do you consider yourselves "pornstars?" Why/why not?
Guys: Do you consider all cam models pornstars? Just the nude ones? Just the nude and popular ones? Or would you not use that word to describe any camgirls? Why/why not?

 

[LilyMarie]

There's a thread on this topic in the models only section, but I'd be really interested in hearing some guys' opinions as well.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

There's a thread on this topic in the models only section, but I'd be really interested in hearing some guys' opinions as well.

It's pretty old, as well. I'd like to get some new opinions.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

What the nude models do, is porn. However, I think I'm far from a "star." I don't think I'm big enough to be considered a pornstar. I also think that the slang term "pornstar" refers to girls who do hardcore porn such as g/b stuff. So yes, if there is a well known cam model that does g/b videos, I would consider her a pornstar. Which, IMO, is not a negative term.

 

[SatanJonez]

I wouldn't consider myself a porn star. While I'm sure that title is held higher than "cam whore/girl/model", to me porn is a totally different arena all together. Less fan contact most of the time, shorter life span even for super dedicated girls, more risk, more exposure. Though, I do believe there are cam girls who wear the porn star titled proudly and well, I don't think I was built for that type of thing.

 

[Nordling]

What the nude models do, is porn. However, I think I'm far from a "star." I don't think I'm big enough to be considered a pornstar. I also think that the slang term "pornstar" refers to girls who do hardcore porn such as g/b stuff. So yes, if there is a well known cam model that does g/b videos, I would consider her a pornstar. Which, IMO, is not a negative term.

Kind of like if you're a mailman but clever with doing mechanical repairs on cars and occasionally will take money to fix your neighbors' cars. You're acting as a mechanic during these times but are still a mailman for the majority of your income.

I used to have a friend who was a "wedding photographer," but would take jobs as a male stripper for parties that women had. He only did this occasionally so he wasn't a "stripper" by occupation but acted as one on occasion.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

Well I make live and amateur porn, and I'm always the star of my own shows and I get paid for it. Am I a pornstar? mmmm technically yes I could be, would I consider myself a pornstar as in the widely used term. Um no, definitely not, like Megan said, I'm far from an actual star, and I'm not making porn as in the b/g variety, which is what I'd look at a pornstar and say.

One of my friends after finding out what I do described me as a pornstar, I would have never have referred to camgirls that way. I have occasionally told people I'm a pornstar though just for the shock factor, but most people don't seem to put the two things together.

 

[RoxieRed]

I don't think I would be surprised if someone referred to me as a porn star. I also wouldn't take offense to it as there is a hint of accuracy to it ( I also don't think this is a negative term). Those who pay for a group or private show with me, are being provided with porn in which I am the "star". However, if someone did call me a "porn star" then I would think they are pretty ignorant about my situation and the differences between being a cam girl and a porn star. I lack some requirements of being a "porn star"

-I don't have any videos of masturbation or other sexual acts (unless archived or recorded without my permission)
-I don't have sex with anyone live on cam or in videos
-I work from home and alone/ for myself
-My public shows are usually sensual more than sexual
-My product is more about personality than sexuality
-The porn I do offer is live and interactive/personalized
-I'm not well known. (Although "porn star" has come to mean anyone who stars in porn and not necessarily someone who is well known in the field)
-I get paid for doing things like smiling, dancing, putting on glasses, or for raffles to win my baked goods as well as masturbation.

I am aware that not every customer is going to see me as a personality. Some guys come in and take me private just to wank it. Then later they watch the archived video again. That is the form of porn they prefer vs. watching videos of one woman taking on 3 guys or what-have-you. To those guys, I am porn. I agree with that.

But to call me (or the majority of other cam girls) a porn star doesn't take into consideration the majority of what I do to earn my paycheck. These other things are usually non-sexual, or just stripping/being naked (which may be sexual but I do not consider porn, it's stripping).

Adult entertainer? Sure! I'd agree with that.

 

[Evvie]

Although this is under "ask-a-model," I wouldn't mind guys opinions on it, too.
Ladies: Do you consider yourselves "pornstars?" Why/why not?
Guys: Do you consider all cam models pornstars? Just the nude ones? Just the nude and popular ones? Or would you not use that word to describe any camgirls? Why/why not?

While camming is pornographic, I feel there is a difference between live webcam shows and prerecorded porn to the point where in the majority of cases, they shouldn't be confused as one and the same, even though the content is often the same.

The term 'pornstar' seems to refer to a person who has acted in several professionally produced pornographic films and may be widely known in the adult community. However, many people who act in porn (whether or not they are the 'star' of the film, do it often or are known at all) refer to themselves as pornstars.

Unless a camgirl is also a pornstar, I don't refer to her as such, because to me the terms are distinct.

 

[Rose]

Eh, I don't view myself as a porn star even though technically the term is accurate. I don't mind if/when others refer to me as one though.

 

[bob]

Guys: Do you consider all cam models pornstars? Just the nude ones? Just the nude and popular ones? Or would you not use that word to describe any camgirls? Why/why not?

generally...no, no, and no
but yes, i would use it to describe some :lol:

maybe it's because i'm older....but the idea of a "pornstar" is historically limited to hardcore sex, isn't it?....and it carries with it social/moral/political taboos too, that relegate it to the dark corners of our collective psyche, and limit it's acceptablity to secret furtive moments when no one is looking.....

the generally shared rejection of it may not reflect the real world (which is inclusive of the virtual one) anymore, but the stigma of "pornstar" persists in general converstation

i find that to be less true in videochat....while there are certainly plenty of guys who see it as a quick wank with a live girl, there seems to be almost an equal number for whom that is less important than the personal contact....and the number of women who work this segment of the adult entertainment industry -and the reasons that they chose to work in it- would seem to support the idea that "pornstar" is not word that fits them

which sure doesn't mean that y'all won't be labelled pornstars....or that nobody who is working on a live cam dreams of being a pornstar...but generally speaking, you aren't pornstars in my book....even when you're acting like you are :lol:

 

[LadyLuna]

I don't consider myself a pornstar, even though I do make videos to sell.

1. I don't have an agent, production company, or boss.
2. Most of my products are targeted to one person, not mass-consumption. (usually my videos have one particular customer in mind, I just let anyone else who might be interested buy them, and I rarely do group or gold shows, where I decide what's going on.)
3. I interact with the people I serve. Even on the site where I sell the vids, if a person has a question/request/problem, they interact with ME, not with some agent, not with a director.
4. I am my own director, though sometimes my partner acts as a director.
5. I work from my home.
6. The only people who profit from my work are me, and the site I work on.
7. All my profit is from online sales, whether it be the live shows, recorded videos, or pictures. You can't get what I'm selling in any physical location.

 

[LolasLiger]

As a member, I don't see models as porn stars or porn actresses. The interactive nature of the medium in which models work does not equate to what is classically considered porn. Though the core of a model's room is sexual, the way that it is portrayed and delivered makes it more like erotica than pornography.

As an aside, I have watched a number of well known traditional "porn stars" who have have been invited on to MFC by the admin over the years. Though the rooms have been packed out and members have dropped tokens like there's no tomorrow, I have often felt that those room are less cam-rooms and more like fan conventions. Those models haven't so much interacted with the members, but rather been on a Q&A sessions.

 

[AllisonWilder]

To me, unless a model is active in the porn community, shooting scenes with other porn actors, I don't consider them a pornstar. I have tons of videos, some even b/g but I don't consider myself a pornstar because I'm a camgirl. I provide interactive adult entertainment and that doesn't always mean orgasms whereas porn isn't social and interactive and typically does include orgasms.

 

[Shaun__]

Guys: Do you consider all cam models pornstars? Just the nude ones? Just the nude and popular ones? Or would you not use that word to describe any camgirls? Why/why not?

I do not think of my model friends as pornstars. I know I see them naked and masturbating, but it just feels different. The model is a real person with feelings, and the pornstar is the person in that clip I just saw on the tubesite. I think it is the talking that makes things different in my mind, I spend a lot of time talking to models I like a lot.

If I ever met a pornstar and liked them as a person then at some point they too would stop being a pornstar and become a person as well. I know that makes it sound like I am saying I consider pornstars to be objects, but for some reason they do not seem real in my mind. I have the same view of most movie actors as well.

I no longer spend much time going room to room, so I do not think about the top row models much anymore. I found my happy little niche on MFC, and seldom visit other models enough to gain an opinion of their pornstar status. I did visit you once Megan and in my mind I had you labeled model. Not cam model, just model in general. You know photography and stuff.

 

[PinkiePixi]

I dont do full nudity or masturbation, so I dont consider myself either party of 'porn star' - I have a hard enough time accepting that Im now technically working in the adult entertainment industry! What I do doesnt really seem enough to label myself with that - but in all reality Im on MFC, so... by default at the very least Im in that industry!

 

[lordmagellan]

From what I'm reading so far, a lot of you seem to believe that a pornstar must shoot b/g scenes to be considered such. But there have been many women who are considered "porn stars" that do g/g and solo shoots, only. Janine for the longest time was considered a top performer and only worked with other women. Aria Giovanni falls in weird category, where I haven't necessarily seen her listed as a "pornstar," but certainly as a model and definitely on a porn site; she's not done any scenes with men that I know of. Cass Calogera is, or was, undoubtedly a "pornstar" who now works on MFC doing cam shows. Same can be said for a number of others.

I think it comes down to the age-old question of what constitutes as pornography. To most(?) it's about penetration, which is why many don't consider Playboy to be porn. For some- mostly the uberconservatives- a tit can be called porn, so draw your own conclusions on masturbation.

I think it also comes down to popularity. Much like the difference between a movie star and an actor. That kid that's done a half-dozen commercials and recently had a two line speaking part in that new indie film is an actor. Brad Pitt is a movie star.

 

[Evvie]

From what I'm reading so far, a lot of you seem to believe that a pornstar must shoot b/g scenes to be considered such. But there have been many women who are considered "porn stars" that do g/g and solo shoots, only. Janine for the longest time was considered a top performer and only worked with other women. Aria Giovanni falls in weird category, where I haven't necessarily seen her listed as a "pornstar," but certainly as a model and definitely on a porn site; she's not done any scenes with men that I know of. Cass Calogera is, or was, undoubtedly a "pornstar" who now works on MFC doing cam shows. Same can be said for a number of others.

I think it comes down to the age-old question of what constitutes as pornography. To most(?) it's about penetration, which is why many don't consider Playboy to be porn. For some- mostly the uberconservatives- a tit can be called porn, so draw your own conclusions on masturbation.

I think it also comes down to popularity. Much like the difference between a movie star and an actor. That kid that's done a half-dozen commercials and recently had a two line speaking part in that new indie film is an actor. Brad Pitt is a movie star.

I think the real distinction between porn actor and webcam model has nothing to do with whom you're engaging in sex with, whether there is penetration, how it's distributed or who gets paid. To me, the difference is thus:

Webcam workers engage in live sessions with a community of peoples and interact with them on a personal basis.

Pornography actors engage in sessions to be pre-recorded and distributed to the market at a later time.

Saying you're only a pornstar if you do boy/girl shoots (nobody here has said that, as far as I read, but analogy time) is a bit like saying it's only an SUV if it's painted black. As long as the content is pornographic, it doesn't really matter what is going on - and in our contemporary age, sex and penetration serves as pornography for a smaller portion of the population than it once did.

 

[lordmagellan]

From what I'm reading so far, a lot of you seem to believe that a pornstar must shoot b/g scenes to be considered such. But there have been many women who are considered "porn stars" that do g/g and solo shoots, only. Janine for the longest time was considered a top performer and only worked with other women. Aria Giovanni falls in weird category, where I haven't necessarily seen her listed as a "pornstar," but certainly as a model and definitely on a porn site; she's not done any scenes with men that I know of. Cass Calogera is, or was, undoubtedly a "pornstar" who now works on MFC doing cam shows. Same can be said for a number of others.

I think it comes down to the age-old question of what constitutes as pornography. To most(?) it's about penetration, which is why many don't consider Playboy to be porn. For some- mostly the uberconservatives- a tit can be called porn, so draw your own conclusions on masturbation.

I think it also comes down to popularity. Much like the difference between a movie star and an actor. That kid that's done a half-dozen commercials and recently had a two line speaking part in that new indie film is an actor. Brad Pitt is a movie star.

I think the real distinction between porn actor and webcam model has nothing to do with whom you're engaging in sex with, whether there is penetration, how it's distributed or who gets paid. To me, the difference is thus:

Webcam workers engage in live sessions with a community of peoples and interact with them on a personal basis.

Pornography actors engage in sessions to be pre-recorded and distributed to the market at a later time.

Saying you're only a pornstar if you do boy/girl shoots (nobody here has said that, as far as I read, but analogy time) is a bit like saying it's only an SUV if it's painted black. As long as the content is pornographic, it doesn't really matter what is going on - and in our contemporary age, sex and penetration serves as pornography for a smaller portion of the population than it once did.

It's not that anyone specifically said "b/g = porn." More that what they wrote hinted toward that.
Some examples from above posts to illustrate my point (I really don't feel like attaching the names, sorry.):

"I also think that the slang term "pornstar" refers to girls who do hardcore porn such as g/b stuff. So yes, if there is a well known cam model that does g/b videos, I would consider her a pornstar."

"Um no, definitely not, like Megan said, I'm far from an actual star, and I'm not making porn as in the b/g variety, which is what I'd look at a pornstar and say."

"but the idea of a "pornstar" is historically limited to hardcore sex, isn't it?"

I agree with the interactive aspect being a difference. But when you sell videos, you're basically shooting amateur porn. That would make you a porn actor in a video to be sold at a later time. That's where I drew my analogy from.

So if you're a cam model and you make videos, congrats! You're holding down two jobs.

 

[Evvie]

From what I'm reading so far, a lot of you seem to believe that a pornstar must shoot b/g scenes to be considered such. But there have been many women who are considered "porn stars" that do g/g and solo shoots, only. Janine for the longest time was considered a top performer and only worked with other women. Aria Giovanni falls in weird category, where I haven't necessarily seen her listed as a "pornstar," but certainly as a model and definitely on a porn site; she's not done any scenes with men that I know of. Cass Calogera is, or was, undoubtedly a "pornstar" who now works on MFC doing cam shows. Same can be said for a number of others.

I think it comes down to the age-old question of what constitutes as pornography. To most(?) it's about penetration, which is why many don't consider Playboy to be porn. For some- mostly the uberconservatives- a tit can be called porn, so draw your own conclusions on masturbation.

I think it also comes down to popularity. Much like the difference between a movie star and an actor. That kid that's done a half-dozen commercials and recently had a two line speaking part in that new indie film is an actor. Brad Pitt is a movie star.

I think the real distinction between porn actor and webcam model has nothing to do with whom you're engaging in sex with, whether there is penetration, how it's distributed or who gets paid. To me, the difference is thus:

Webcam workers engage in live sessions with a community of peoples and interact with them on a personal basis.

Pornography actors engage in sessions to be pre-recorded and distributed to the market at a later time.

Saying you're only a pornstar if you do boy/girl shoots (nobody here has said that, as far as I read, but analogy time) is a bit like saying it's only an SUV if it's painted black. As long as the content is pornographic, it doesn't really matter what is going on - and in our contemporary age, sex and penetration serves as pornography for a smaller portion of the population than it once did.

It's not that anyone specifically said "b/g = porn." More that what they wrote hinted toward that.
Some examples from above posts to illustrate my point (I really don't feel like attaching the names, sorry.):

"I also think that the slang term "pornstar" refers to girls who do hardcore porn such as g/b stuff. So yes, if there is a well known cam model that does g/b videos, I would consider her a pornstar."

"Um no, definitely not, like Megan said, I'm far from an actual star, and I'm not making porn as in the b/g variety, which is what I'd look at a pornstar and say."

"but the idea of a "pornstar" is historically limited to hardcore sex, isn't it?"

I agree with the interactive aspect being a difference. But when you sell videos, you're basically shooting amateur porn. That would make you a porn actor in a video to be sold at a later time. That's where I drew my analogy from.

So if you're a cam model and you make videos, congrats! You're holding down two jobs.

I would additionally argue that most models don't even shoot 'amateur' porn. For many models their experience and equipment can turn out polished films they produce themselves. There doesn't have to be someone else involved for a video to no longer be considered amateur.

 

[lordmagellan]

I agree with the interactive aspect being a difference. But when you sell videos, you're basically shooting amateur porn. That would make you a porn actor in a video to be sold at a later time. That's where I drew my analogy from.

So if you're a cam model and you make videos, congrats! You're holding down two jobs.

I would additionally argue that most models don't even shoot 'amateur' porn. For many models their experience and equipment can turn out polished films they produce themselves. There doesn't have to be someone else involved for a video to no longer be considered amateur.

So....indie porn?

Well, I guess not- From Wiki: "Independent pornography is pornography produced by filmmakers unconnected to the major porn studios in a given country. It is often mislabeled "amateur pornography", though the producers and actors are often professional pornographic filmmakers and actors. (It is not always easy to distinguish between genuine amateurs and unknown professionals: often, the distinction is a matter of timing.)"

Also from Wiki: "Amateur pornography is a category of pornography that features models or actors performing without pay, or for whom this material is their first or only paid modeling work."


So perhaps some amalgam of the two. Should we try to coin a new term? That sounds exciting.



Edit- Interesting: Wiki uses the same page for amateur and independent pornography.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

From what I'm reading so far, a lot of you seem to believe that a pornstar must shoot b/g scenes to be considered such. But there have been many women who are considered "porn stars" that do g/g and solo shoots, only. Janine for the longest time was considered a top performer and only worked with other women. Aria Giovanni falls in weird category, where I haven't necessarily seen her listed as a "pornstar," but certainly as a model and definitely on a porn site; she's not done any scenes with men that I know of. Cass Calogera is, or was, undoubtedly a "pornstar" who now works on MFC doing cam shows. Same can be said for a number of others.

I think it comes down to the age-old question of what constitutes as pornography. To most(?) it's about penetration, which is why many don't consider Playboy to be porn. For some- mostly the uberconservatives- a tit can be called porn, so draw your own conclusions on masturbation.

I think it also comes down to popularity. Much like the difference between a movie star and an actor. That kid that's done a half-dozen commercials and recently had a two line speaking part in that new indie film is an actor. Brad Pitt is a movie star.

I agree. I don't even do penetration, ever. So yea, even if I was super popular or did professional shoots for porn sites, I still wouldn't name myself a pornstar because of my no penetration rule. I just said b/g because that's as hardcore as it gets, IMO. But I saw a model who was selling videos being penetrated with a dildo by another girl, then she said on her profile,"I'm a cam girl, not a pornstar!".... I thought it was a bit weird she was doing hardcore videos, is super popular, and felt the need to clarify that. I would consider her such, but that's just me.

 

[Julia_Storm]

I am a nude model...i also do skype shows B/G willing to do soft bondage and stuff.
I would never consider my self a pornstar...i consider pornstars the models that have been doing actual porn...like working in porn industry...that actually were paid to make pro movies and maybe continue also to work in actual porn movies industry while working on cam.
To call a videochat model a pornstar for being naked or doing penetration and such i find it a bit umm...insulting for the work that the actual pornstars did to get the right to be called PornStars.
Put the name AriaGiovanni vs Julia_Storm and u get a big LOL.
Just my opinion.

 

[PlayboyMegan]

To call a videochat model a pornstar for being naked or doing penetration and such i find it a bit umm...insulting for the work that the actual pornstars did to get the right to be called PornStars.
Put the name AriaGiovanni vs Julia_Storm and u get a big LOL.
Just my opinion.

I think both porn actresses and cam models work equally hard, in different ways. We interact with people on a whole different level that can be extremely challenging at times. I don't think the term "pornstar" is a negative or positive thing. But you make it sound as if it's a positive thing and that camgirls don't deserve it. I just can't agree with that.

 

[gigolo_joe]

I've never really given it much thought...I usually refer to a cam girl as a model. I always thought of it as a label/title/term given by the industry rather than the performer/ user. There are a lot of "movie actors" who do erotic nude scenes and yet are not labeled by the industry as "pornstars".

 

[Mork]

Imo, calling a 'camgirl' of any flavor a pornstar is like them saying 'I dont work in the sex industry. I'm a model.' [used in the context of a fashion or print model.] :laughing-rolling:
I was astounded when I started pervin on mfc that so many girls refused to even acknowledge this as part of the sex/porn industry. Nude modeling and masturbating for cash .... I suppose it could be construed as a form of sex ed....there ya go..... you're all teachers. :thumbleft:

 

[Julia_Storm]

To call a videochat model a pornstar for being naked or doing penetration and such i find it a bit umm...insulting for the work that the actual pornstars did to get the right to be called PornStars.
Put the name AriaGiovanni vs Julia_Storm and u get a big LOL.
Just my opinion.

I think both porn actresses and cam models work equally hard, in different ways. We interact with people on a whole different level that can be extremely challenging at times. I don't think the term "pornstar" is a negative or positive thing. But you make it sound as if it's a positive thing and that camgirls don't deserve it. I just can't agree with that.

Well is a whole other lvl and a whole other bussiness they work in and don't tell me u willing to do all that they have the guts to do and possibly enjoy it in one wayor another.
Is not about how much we work is about what we work and how far can we push the bounderies...i think ya that title is bigger and they deserve it.
As i said is just my opinion.

 

[AllisonWilder]

To call a videochat model a pornstar for being naked or doing penetration and such i find it a bit umm...insulting for the work that the actual pornstars did to get the right to be called PornStars.
Put the name AriaGiovanni vs Julia_Storm and u get a big LOL.
Just my opinion.

I think both porn actresses and cam models work equally hard, in different ways. We interact with people on a whole different level that can be extremely challenging at times. I don't think the term "pornstar" is a negative or positive thing. But you make it sound as if it's a positive thing and that camgirls don't deserve it. I just can't agree with that.

Well is a whole other lvl and a whole other bussiness they work in...as i said is just my opinion

I get that pornstars are on a whole different level than camgirls. Not better or worse than camgirls/nude models/phone sex operators by any means, just a different job, different level of interaction and different risks.

 

[Julia_Storm]

I get that pornstars are on a whole different level than camgirls. Not better or worse than camgirls/nude models/phone sex operators by any means, just a different job, different level of interaction and different risks.

Correction...bigger risks

 

[AllisonWilder]

I get that pornstars are on a whole different level than camgirls. Not better or worse than camgirls/nude models/phone sex operators by any means, just a different job, different level of interaction and different risks.

Correction...bigger risks

Not necessarily. We have very similar risks. We're risking our reputations, our families, our safety just as much as pornstars are. We might have smaller risks of STDs, but that's only if you never cam with another person.