Performer Payout %: Which is better, CB vs OF?

[Dubious]

From my blind and naive perspective, this is a sticky question to pose, as I believe CB representatives (and probably OF representatives?) monitor these forums:

I would like to see the model receive as much of my financial contribution(s) as possible. It is my understanding that CB *takes about 40%(?) of a model's earnings . . and OF *takes about 20%(?) of a model's earnings. Therefore, if a CB model is also on OF . . doesn't it make more sense for me to tip them on OF rather than on CB? Or are there situations where this is inaccurate?

In a related question, if a model is part of a Talent Agency an that Talent Agency reads & responds to all her Private Messages on CB and her messages on OF, can the model see her messages and do models actually *read* their messages . . and, perhaps more importantly, in general are models even interested in fan messages, or are they more-or-less a nuisance?




* I realize "taking" is a loaded word to use in this context, as CB and OF have invested incalculable time and resources into their sites, and logically deserve a return on their investment(s).

 

[cbhours]

* I realize "taking" is a loaded word to use in this context, as CB and OF have invested incalculable time and resources into their sites, and logically deserve a return on their investment(s).

...One is spending ridiculous amounts of money in advertising and the other is sitting on its ass trying to convince the world that it's not an adult website when it's obvious what their intentions were from day1.

 

[MarieElise]

From my blind and naive perspective, this is a sticky question to pose, as I believe CB representatives (and probably OF representatives?) monitor these forums:

I would like to see the model receive as much of my financial contribution(s) as possible. It is my understanding that CB *takes about 40%(?) of a model's earnings . . and OF *takes about 20%(?) of a model's earnings. Therefore, if a CB model is also on OF . . doesn't it make more sense for me to tip them on OF rather than on CB? Or are there situations where this is inaccurate?

In a related question, if a model is part of a Talent Agency an that Talent Agency reads & responds to all her Private Messages on CB and her messages on OF, can the model see her messages and do models actually *read* their messages . . and, perhaps more importantly, in general are models even interested in fan messages, or are they more-or-less a nuisance?




* I realize "taking" is a loaded word to use in this context, as CB and OF have invested incalculable time and resources into their sites, and logically deserve a return on their investment(s).

In general, we as models love it when our regulars google us, and tip us on the platforms where we get the biggest cut of money.

Remember not to worry too much though, because as models we adjust our rates, so that we feel adequately compensated on each individual site. So, on a site where I get a lower percentage my rates are higher than a site where I get more. However MFC doesn't let models set their rates for privates. CB does though, right guys? SM also lets the model set their own rate.

But yes, generally we prefer if the tip is a set amount, to get it on a platform where we get more of it.

Also keep in mind many platforms have different percentages for different thing. Like Manyvids, we get 60% for clip sales, but 80% via the tip feature. On SM I get 35% via tips and shows, but 60% for clip sales. So it's not always a set percentage for everything on the whole site. I hope that made sense there.

 

[Vixxen81]

CB takes the cut from the spender not the model. 1 token is 5 cents all day long, IF the broadcaster is an independent model. If she's a studio model that's a different story as studio models have metrics they must meet in order to be paid at all.

On Chaturbate, most independent models can cash out their tokens the same day they earn them and get the money within 1-3 bank business days. So, if a model makes $100 one night she can cash that out on Monday and have it by Wednesday, Friday at the latest. (Just an example.)

On Onlyfans, OF takes 20% from the model. If you tip her $100, she gets $80. On top of that, she has to wait 7 days after you tipped her to the exact minute your tip was processed on OF before she can request a payout for that money. It is definitely not to be used for emergency bailouts or help or for birthday gifts unless you plan to do it 7 days in advance and super early in the morning. Well actually, nine days in advance because it takes two days to get the money once you request the payout.

 

[AmberCutie]

CB takes the cut from the spender not the model.

Thank you for stating that correction. On token sites, or any site where you buy digital currency that's only usable on that site, the cut is taken at the time of purchase. So it's taken from the customer.

Therefore, if a CB model is also on OF . . doesn't it make more sense for me to tip them on OF rather than on CB? Or are there situations where this is inaccurate?

If your only focus is for her to get the most of your spent money, then yeah it makes sense to tip on OF. But as Vixxen noted above, if she's interested in getting a quicker payout, or has certain show goals she's trying to meet that day, then it could be more beneficial to tip on the token site.

Ultimately it's best to spend where it's the most convenient for yourself, because your support is better anywhere than nowhere! But if you're close with a model and want to know their preference, just ask. I imagine many times their answer will be to tip whenever, wherever, and however you can.

 

[Dubious]

we as models love it when our regulars google us, and tip us on the platforms where we get the biggest cut of money.

Fascinating! I have never even considered this approach . However, as a Tipper, how can I find out where a model gets the biggest cut of money: OF vs Cb vs MFC vs SM vs etc? (Perhaps as a model yourself, you are . . "limited" . . in what you can directly say about this?) I ask because I am not a and definitely have limited resources to contribute, and I want my contributions (etc) to go as much as possible to the independent Model who is busting their butt, risking so much, and investing significant time and energy into performing, instead of the enormous profit margins, super-well-funded corporation providing the platform for the model.

Remember not to worry too much though, because as models we adjust our rates

Right, I figured this was an industry-standard practice. However, it directly relates to the impetus of my OP and : if a model is going to receive about the same payout $$ from various sites, but has to adjust their rates in order to do so . . it behooves me as a Tipper with limited resources to Tip on the site with the lower rate . . so how can I find out which site that is? (Again, I understand if you as a professional model -- who is on these very sites about which I am inquiring -- are limited in what you are actually able to divulge.)

 

[MarieElise]

(Perhaps as a model yourself, you are . . "limited" . . in what you can directly say about this?)

I don't think it would be legal for a site to discriminate against me for talking freely, or to punish me for stating true facts. And the percentages are true facts. I never signed an NDA anywhere. They can only control what I talk about when I'm actually live on their site. If sites do monitor this forum for that, I would be majorly pissed! Because employee hours should not be going toward such frivolous cloak-and-dagger bullshit, when so many of these sites have glaring problems, that are a more immediate priority for worker hours.

OF gives the highest percentage, but like Vixxen said you do have to wait for a while to get it. I get 90 percent on tips on iwantclips until Jan 1st, but idk how many models also get that. On many of the clips sites we get 80 percent via the tip feature. So OF is a good place to tip, if time isn't an issue. I would ask the individual model themselves, too, because sometimes time is a big issue. And it was super astute of Vixxen to mention that, because I totally forgot that part. There are periods where it really does boil down to how fast it's available.

There is one clip site where we are only paid once per month!

Idk if you are the type to have a circle of models you get close with, but many models accept cashap (I don't, but many others do), and if you are close wth them, would probably share info on that w you. But a lot of times you have to be a long time Reg to get the inner scoop, and deets like that.

 

[Dubious]

If she's a studio model that's a different story as studio models have metrics they must meet in order to be paid at all.

Excellent point! Thank you

Ok, so this reminds me of another question that has been simmering on one of my back burners: as a Tipper on the one-way side of a two-way-mirror, I obviously have no idea about the metrics models have to meet for studios. Until a couple weeks ago, I had no idea that studios existed . . or that a model has to meet metrics ( ). I would assume if a studio model is on a streaming site + OF, they have metrics to meet for each of those revenue streams? . . or do they only have metrics to meet on the streaming site, where they have more of an influence / control over impacting those metrics? It appears to me that OF is overwhelmingly driven / controlled by the studio or admin, and the model is primarily expected to send the studio content every now and then in order to create post(s).

 

[Vixxen81]

Excellent point! Thank you

Ok, so this reminds me of another question that has been simmering on one of my back burners: as a Tipper on the one-way side of a two-way-mirror, I obviously have no idea about the metrics models have to meet for studios. Until a couple weeks ago, I had no idea that studios existed . . or that a model has to meet metrics ( ). I would assume if a studio model is on a streaming site + OF, they have metrics to meet for each of those revenue streams? . . or do they only have metrics to meet on the streaming site, where they have more of an influence / control over impacting those metrics? It appears to me that OF is overwhelmingly driven / controlled by the studio or admin, and the model is primarily expected to send the studio content every now and then in order to create post(s).

I've always been independent so I don't know the details and I doubt any current studio models would be willing to discuss that, however a lot of independent models make it known on their OF profile that they are the person you are interacting with and not a management team.

 

[Dubious]

if she's interested in getting a quicker payout, or has certain show goals she's trying to meet that day, then it could be more beneficial to tip on the token site.

Shit. This complicates things for somebody (like me) seeking a straight-forward answer to an apparently simple question (that turns out to not be simple).

if you're close with a model and want to know their preference, just ask.

Absolutely! I have often been on the cusp of doing just this, only to wonder at the last second if the model is able to answer honestly and freely about . . ANYthing . . if there are more eyeballs than I am aware of seeing and reading my otherwise-private-and-personal question. Which I am now sadly aware is the case. Because if I am watching the model on one site AND I have the model's OF open on another tab . . I could tip the model on OF for her current performance on the streaming site . . which would appear to be more economical for me, but have the same impact for the model.

I mean, If I ask a model if they would rather be paid on OF or CB / OF or MFC / OF or WhateverSite . . but they know admins and/or A.I. Bots are monitoring what they say . . couldn't / wouldn't the model risk being "punished" in some way?

 

[Dubious]

I don't think it would be legal for a site to discriminate against me for talking freely, or to punish me for stating true facts.

Again and again here on ACF my is . This is an eye-opener, that models won't (can't legally) suffer repercussions for touchy things they share about the industry.

(And no, I am STILL not writing a book )

They can only control what I talk about when I'm actually live on their site.

Ok, I totally "get" this. However, I have no way of asking a model a question unless is is through "the site," whichever site it may be.

iwantclips

Never heard of this. Thanks for the .

I would ask the individual model themselves, too, because sometimes time is a big issue. And it was super astute of Vixxen to mention that, because I totally forgot that part. There are periods where it really does boil down to how fast it's available.

Noted. Haven't really considered this.

if you are the type to have a circle of models you get close with, but many models accept cashap

I am. Something along the lines of "cashapp," which I've never heard of, is EXACTLY what I would MOST be interested in utilizing as far as Tips and whatnot!
Are models permitted to tell me about alternative ways to for me to pay them?! I would think this would be a major no-no.

a lot of times you have to be a long time Reg to get the inner scoop like that.

I reckon you're right here . . and I haven't quite reached that status level, yet. And in some cases, neither has the relatively new model.

 

[Vixxen81]

Here's the question you aren't asking and it's the question I think you should be asking:

Which method creates more opportunities for engagement on the model's part? Not with you, with other potential members. On CB, there always has to be someone to get the tips started. On CB when a thumbnail updates that gets more eyes on it. What changes a thumbnail? Tipping for action items (flash, blow kiss, stand on your head...) changes a thumbnail. On CB, guys can get competitive and want to out tip each other. On CB there's opportunities for members to form a community vibe with each other while supporting the model. There is none of that on OF.

No one but the model knows what you are doing on OF, she can't tell her CB room about it or even thank you for it specifically. While we are allowed to share our OF, CB gets cranky pants about talking about it too much.

 

[MarieElise]

Again and again here on ACF my is . This is an eye-opener, that models won't (can't legally) suffer repercussions for touchy things they share about the industry.

(And no, I am STILL not writing a book )

Ok, I totally "get" this. However, I have no way of asking a model a question unless is is through "the site," whichever site it may be.

Never heard of this. Thanks for the .

Noted. Haven't really considered this.

I am. Something along the lines of "cashapp," which I've never heard of, is EXACTLY what I would MOST be interested in utilizing as far as Tips and whatnot!
Are models permitted to tell me about alternative ways to for me to pay them?! I would think this would be a major no-no.

I reckon you're right here . . and I haven't quite reached that status level, yet. And in some cases, neither has the relatively new model.

Yes you are right about when they are live on one site they should not really mention other sites. Streamate is very strict about it and most sites are. So unless you are talking to the model on Twitter or something, is what I was thinking. Oh my bad, I mean Space Karen's X lol

Unless you are sure you are speaking to the model directly, don't ask things like that. It can get them in trouble. You are correct in thinking that. It's okay here, or on space Karens X though, or if they have an Instagram.

I don't know though it is food for thought. A lot of what I say is about independent models like myself. I don't know how many people have someone that manages their X account or Instagram. Some of the bigger models most assuredly do. However they also are paying those people to manage it for them, so it is fine to ask where else to top of employees paid by said model. Studio employees is probably a whole different story.

 

[MarieElise]

Again and again here on ACF my is . This is an eye-opener, that models won't (can't legally) suffer repercussions for touchy things they share about the industry.

(And no, I am STILL not writing a book )

Ok, I totally "get" this. However, I have no way of asking a model a question unless is is through "the site," whichever site it may be.

Never heard of this. Thanks for the .

Noted. Haven't really considered this.

I am. Something along the lines of "cashapp," which I've never heard of, is EXACTLY what I would MOST be interested in utilizing as far as Tips and whatnot!
Are models permitted to tell me about alternative ways to for me to pay them?! I would think this would be a major no-no.

I reckon you're right here . . and I haven't quite reached that status level, yet. And in some cases, neither has the relatively new model.

Yes you are right about when they are live on one site they should not really mention other sites. Streamate is very strict about it and most sites are. So unless you are talking to the model on Twitter or something, is what I was thinking. Oh my bad, I mean Space Karen's X lol

Unless you are sure you are speaking to the model directly don't ask things like that. It can get them in trouble you are correct in thinking that. It's okay here, or on space Karens X though, or if they have an Instagram.

 

[Dubious]

I've always been independent so I don't know the details and I doubt any current studio models would be willing to discuss that, however a lot of independent models make it known on their OF profile that they are the person you are interacting with and not a management team.

Up to right now, I haven't believed or trusted anything the vast majority of models say on their OF. A model I follow closely has vowed over and over that they are the only one who "does" their OF, that they in fact "do everything," when it is over-abundantly clear that this is not true. So . . how am I ever to know? (In my experience, Amber herself -- who I 90% believe is indeed the person with whom I am interacting on her OF -- is the exception to the rule. No offense intended, Amber.

I appreciate and am so thankful for your input and experience-sharing as models . . AND I would like y'all to try to keep in perspective that you know infinitely more about all sides and aspects of this industry than I do. Through my life-long interactions and experiences with a multitude of actors in various realms of the sex industry . . I have a healthy skepticism and am reluctant to "trust" or believe anything or anybody for any reason . . unless its verifiable . . which it almost never is)

 

[Vixxen81]

Up to right now, I haven't believed or trusted anything the vast majority of models say on their OF. A model I follow closely has vowed over and over that they are the only one who "does" their OF, that they in fact "do everything," when it is over-abundantly clear that this is not true. So . . how am I ever to know? (In my experience, Amber herself -- who I 90% believe is indeed the person with whom I am interacting on her OF -- is the exception to the rule. No offense intended, Amber.

I appreciate and am so thankful for your input and experience-sharing as models . . AND I would like y'all to try to keep in perspective that you know infinitely more about all sides and aspects of this industry than I do. Through my life-long interactions and experiences with a multitude of actors in various realms of the sex industry . . I have a healthy skepticism and am reluctant to "trust" or believe anything or anybody for any reason . . unless its verifiable . . which it almost never is)

No one is asking you to trust them, they are asking you to pay them.

 

[Dubious]

Unless you are sure you are speaking to the model directly, don't ask things like that. It can get them in trouble.

Thank you thank you thank you for the clarification before I went and potentially got a few models in deep doo-doo

 

[Dubious]

No one is asking you to trust them, they are asking you to pay them.

Right. I guess this question stems from my up-till-very-recently almost complete ignorance regarding "independent models" vs "studio models" and "cam sites" vs "OF."

TBH (and why not?), a few months ago when I first began to be suspicious about a couple models I followed closely (on CB, in my case) and the discrepancies I experienced between interactions with them on their streaming site vs interactions with them on their OF (now understood to be due to a studio's involvement), I wondered if the model made all their money from the streaming site . . and some other entity (now understood to be a studio) made all their money from "the model's" OF (which I postulated -- almost accurately -- had next-to-nothing to do with the model).

In which case, I would want to shun the model's OF and only pay them on their streaming site.

But then I found out OF only takes 20% and CB takes 40-ish %, which complicated things for me.

Also . . I feel we are coming close to full-circle back to my initial inquiries on ACF: "Is tipping a shell game" and "is it possible for a model to purely be a paid actor?"

And I don't think anybody wants to go down that road again.

 

[yummybrownfox]

It’s an Ask-A-MODEL thread…..

Anyway…yes, on OnlyFans we would get a bigger cut with 80%. BUT as stated earlier…we’d have to wait for that 7-day period before the money even appears as available to request payout. While some models are fine with that option and waiting a bit longer to receive a higher cut of the money they’ve earned, I know that if I’m in a situation where I’m trying to get my money REALLY quickly or by a certain date, I’d actually prefer the guy pay me on a site that has a daily pay option…or early payment option like MyFreeCams. Or Chaturbate for those who use CB. There’s been times when even a small payout of $20 really helped me out. That amount could be used towards that week’s bus fare and laundromat trip, for example.

If you care about which option the model prefers and you happen to follow her on Twitter (where you two can speak freely about the sites without having to worry about her getting banned for discussing competitor sites), you can ask her on Twitter if she prefers you tip her on Chaturbate or on OnlyFans.

 

[Dubious]

doesn't it make more sense for me to tip them on OF rather than on CB

I should have said, "isn't it more economical for me to tip them on OF rather than the streaming site?"

 

[MarieElise]

Right. I guess this question stems from my up-till-very-recently almost complete ignorance regarding "independent models" vs "studio models" and "cam sites" vs "OF."

TBH (and why not?), a few months ago when I first began to be suspicious about a couple models I followed closely (on CB, in my case) and the discrepancies I experienced between interactions with them on their streaming site vs interactions with them on their OF (now understood to be due to a studio's involvement), I wondered if the model made all their money from the streaming site . . and some other entity (now understood to be a studio) made all their money from "the model's" OF (which I postulated -- almost accurately -- had next-to-nothing to do with the model).

In which case, I would want to shun the model's OF and only pay them on their streaming site.

But then I found out OF only takes 20% and CB takes 40-ish %, which complicated things for me.

Also . . I feel we are coming close to full-circle back to my initial inquiries on ACF: "Is tipping a shell game" and "is it possible for a model to purely be a paid actor?"

And I don't think anybody wants to go down that road again.

We are all actors, socially. Cam models are no different. If you had a wife, girlfriend, or significant other they would act, and tell lies at times too. We all do it socially, and sexually. There is not a person in this world who is honest with other people about everything 100% of the time. Especially sexually, where men (and some women's too) egos and feelings are so hopelessly connected. Everyone lies sexually sometimes. Everyone who is sexually active anyways. White lies, lies of omission, straight up blatant lies. Everyone does it. Sometimes it's kinder than the truth, and we all know it.

 

[AmberCutie]

I mean, If I ask a model if they would rather be paid on OF or CB / OF or MFC / OF or WhateverSite . . but they know admins and/or A.I. Bots are monitoring what they say . . couldn't / wouldn't the model risk being "punished" in some way?

Yes, sorry I should have clarified. I was assuming if you knew a model well enough to be concerned about whether they prefer your tips on token site or content site that you'd also have a means of communicating that wasn't directly on the site.
Like so:

Unless you are sure you are speaking to the model directly, don't ask things like that. It can get them in trouble. You are correct in thinking that. It's okay here, or on space Karens X though twitter, or if they have an Instagram.

btw: it'll always be TWITTER lol

Which method creates more opportunities for engagement on the model's part?

Yes EXACTLY! I'll always make a higher cut of a tip on OF, but if I am trying to do a show on MFC, being tipped during the show to help achieve that is the ideal engagement.

 

[Vixxen81]

I should have said, "isn't it more economical for me to tip them on OF rather than the streaming site?"

For you, yes. For her, only she knows the answer.

 

[Dubious]

you happen to follow her on Twitter

Thank you for the suggestion. Unfortunately (for me), none of the models I am talking about offer any alternate means of communication outside of their streaming Room or their OF. I REALLY wish they did, but what I personally want is, obviously, irrelevant. As it absolutely should be. (irrelevant)

 

[Vixxen81]

Yes EXACTLY! I'll always make a higher cut of a tip on OF, but if I am trying to do a show on MFC, being tipped during the show to help achieve that is the ideal engagement.

Yep. There are models on CB who stream exclusively to advertise their OF page and I think it's pretty obvious to even Hellen Keller who those models are.

For me, personally, I never mention OF and if they find it and sign up and tip then that's cool. As soon as they try to take my attention completely off CB in favor of OF, I stop responding to them at all. I'm a streaming model at heart, not a content generator (I just suck at coming up with ideas).

My dopamine responses might be wired differently because the first experience with paid sex work was live streaming on CB. Hearing those tip sounds gets me going! Others may have entered into it through content sales first and that's their dopamine system's preference.

 

[Dubious]

Here's the question you aren't asking and it's the question I think you should be asking:

Which method creates more opportunities for engagement on the model's part? Not with you, with other potential members. On CB, there always has to be someone to get the tips started. On CB when a thumbnail updates that gets more eyes on it. What changes a thumbnail? Tipping for action items (flash, blow kiss, stand on your head...) changes a thumbnail. On CB, guys can get competitive and want to out tip each other. On CB there's opportunities for members to form a community vibe with each other while supporting the model. There is none of that on OF.

WTF?! How did I miss this entire post by Vixxen 50 minutes ago?! I've been scrolling up and down back and forth this way and that trying to inform myself as much as possible . . and I NEVER saw this!

You are ABSOLUTELY correct, and it IS an aspect of my inquiry that my tunnel-vision question had been neglecting. (tbh, I have been aware of this in real-time in a model's room, and tipped accordingly).

While we are allowed to share our OF, CB gets cranky pants about talking about it too much.

I hate that CB has a tizzy when OF is mentioned (so I mention it in Chats). I see OF and CB serving very different purposes, and if either of them should have a problem with the other, I would think it would be OF, which attempts to pretend it is not primarily geared toward adult-themed pages(?). [How does one refer to a model's OF: their "page?" their "profile?" their "room?" . . I have always wondered this. What is the noun for a person's OF?]

No one but the model knows what you are doing on OF, she can't tell her CB room about it or even thank you for it

Regarding your final point here, could somebody please attempt to answer my previous question elsewhere on ACF: if a model is part of a studio . . and the studio reads and responds to all the model's fan messages (or enlists A.I. or hires a Chatter to read and respond) . . does that model even see their OF messages? And if they do, do they (y'all) care, or are the messages more-or-less simply a nuisance that has to be dealt with?

Based on posts, I've read on here by a few models, we (tippers / men) are generally pretty much seen as not much more than pond scum to be barely tolerated. ( Unfortunately, I have not yet managed to gather enough -- any? -- evidence to form a solid counter-argument)

 

[Vixxen81]

OF page.

None of us are studio models so we cannot answer that and those who are studio models will not answer those questions. It directly flies in the face of their business strategies.

CB has a problem with OF because OF allows live broadcasting, but they also understand models NEED side hustles like OF.

 

[Dubious]

OF page.

None of us are studio models so we cannot answer that and those who are studio models will not answer those questions. It directly flies in the face of their business strategies.

CB has a problem with OF because OF allows live broadcasting, but they also understand models NEED side hustles like OF.

There no independent models on ACF who were once studio models that can shed a bit of light into the darkness behind the studio curtain?

 

[Vixxen81]

There no independent models on ACF who were once studio models that can shed a bit of light into the darkness behind the studio curtain?

If they've left a studio they weren't happy with how things were going and most likely won't discuss it. Most of the models here are here because they don't have studio support and need help from other independent models in the industry.

 

[Dubious]

if a model is part of a studio . . and the studio reads and responds to all the model's fan messages (or enlists A.I. or hires a Chatter to read and respond) . . does that model even see their OF messages? And if they do, do they (y'all) care, or are the messages more-or-less simply a nuisance that has to be dealt with?

I am just now remembering my prior realization that y'all can't possibly answer a question like this in a convincingly honest way:

Either models don't care about fan messages and see them basically as a nuisance that needs to be responded to and a disgusting part of their job . . or sometimes they care about a message and sometimes they are revolted by a message and sometimes the message is simply a nuisance . . or they care about fan messages and enjoy the interaction . . but there is no way an ACF contributor (a model) who derives part or all of their income from interactions with their fans should tell me (a financial contributor) the former . . or could convincingly tell me the latter.

Same thing as with my other question (thus-unasked): do models actually enjoy / like the sometimes naughty / "dirty" things tippers put in tip notes / messages?
I can't imagine so, but some models are VERY good at projecting a positive response, of course.