How it's possible that a beginner, no-nude model, with no groups and no pvt, but that accept only true private...can have over 1300 of camscore?
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Offline tips before her first broadcast. :thumbleft:
Well, she's a beginner... and camscore is an average of 60 days. So if she's only been on 2 days and made decent money, her camscore will be higher than just starting out. In fact, without bad days bringing it down, it's easy for beginners to jump to the top.
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Ideas:ItalianStallion said:
She already did some true privates
She's gotten like 600 tokens in tips on her first day
She came from another camsite and had fans tip her before she got online
She had sex with Leo and he decided to be nice
She does fun stuff in her chatroom and members like her, and therefore they tip her, and because she has no 60 day average her camscore goes up much more quickly
A new model having a score of 1300 is really nothing surprising... if it was a score of 13000, maybe.
Who cares? On a site where the odds are kind of stacked against the countless new models, good for her for being new and raising her camscore already!
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ItalianStallion said:
I'm with Allison. Good for her for being new and raising her cam score, and knowing her limitations.
Also, just because it says 'New Model' on MFC doesn't mean that she's new to camming. It's possible that she's cammed on other sites prior to MFC and has experience.
nono...i say this because i know her..... anyway she's doing nothing funny...she also sleep a lot..... but she had some true pvt..... for sure she's making more money than me! :lol:
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ItalianStallion said:
*scratches head* Are you saying that she sleeps on cam, or you're saying that she sleeps so much (off cam) that you're surprised she makes this much money?
She must have good reason for accepting true privates (I know I only use a toy in true private) and not accepting group/regular private. Once again, good for her for making money. :thumbleft:
Happy Friday!
The_Brown_Fox said:
she keeps the cam on...and sleeps....
she's a no-nude....so u have to tip her 100tks to be added on friendlist....and in trueprivate she just chat....
If 1000 is a base camscore, a 300 point gain is pretty easy to achieve if you are a new model. If she only does true private at 80 tokens per min, getting a few of these a day quickly adds up in a short amount of time. Her tokens per hour rate is above what it would take to maintain the 1k. This doesn't sound unrealistic at all, in fact it makes complete sense. Who cares if she sleeps, or whatever she may do on cam.
Why are you so worried about what she's doing?
Why are you so worried about what she's doing?
It doesn't matter at all what she's doing or not doing in trueprivate, it brings in 80 tokens per minute and is obviously really good for her camscore.ItalianStallion said:
If she actually sleeps though, her career on MFC will be short-lived. If anyone screencaps her she'll be banned real fast.
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ItalianStallion said:
Ditto to what the ladies above me posted.
If she makes a habit of sleeping on cam, I'm sure there are people who will take screen shots and report her.
As far as the 100 tokens required for friends list, lots of models do that. And if she gets guys paying her for 'chat only' true private sessions, cool for her. Guys must really enjoy her if they're taking her to one-on-one sessions for chat.
I'm not sure why a new thread was created about this though. If you must post about this (well, about the sleeping on cam), it could've gone in the "Things models do that make you go "WTF?" thread or a similar thread. And we've had discussions on here before about how there are some non-nude models on MFC who do well.
I hope that you're at least logged into ImLive 'paid video chat only' mode while you're on here venting about this model who makes more than you. I'm not even sure why you're comparing yourself to a female cam model...it sounds silly. But if it makes you feel any better, there actually was a MALE cam model who earned a spot on ImLive's Hall of Fame list...a while back.
Come on, ItalianStallion. Eye of the tiger, man...eye of the tiger. :lol:
http://youtu.be/F8ZABoz26R8
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It's against MFC rules to sleep? What if the model has narcolepsy? Doesn't seem fair. Why would MFC care? Especially if she keeps her score above 1,000.
When I first joined MFC, one of the first models I frequently visited was logged on 24/7 except for her days off. She slept a lot, and had a score of about 1,500. I checked a couple months ago after not visiting her room for many months. lol She now keeps a "normal" schedule and has a score above 9,000. Her studio must have wised up.
When I first joined MFC, one of the first models I frequently visited was logged on 24/7 except for her days off. She slept a lot, and had a score of about 1,500. I checked a couple months ago after not visiting her room for many months. lol She now keeps a "normal" schedule and has a score above 9,000. Her studio must have wised up.
Yes it is against mfc rules. Although I think it'd be hard to prove it. I've never slept on cam, but I have lain back with my eyes closed many times, someone could easily screencap it and report me, even though I wasn't asleep. Unless they had a video of me actually snoring it'd be very difficult to prove that I was asleep rather than just lying down with my eyes closed, which is not against mfc rules.
I wouldn't advise sleeping on cam though as it fucks up camscore.
Agree with what the girls said though, don't see why you care, 1300 isn't a high score, not for a new model. It just means she was lucky enough for people to tip/her to have been taken in a true private to chat. Some of the tips might have come from guys going "tits bb", there are many men who'll tip before finding out what the model does. Female models pretty much always make more than male models. Partly because there are so many men around who are willing to get their cocks out for free or even pay people to watch. And if you don't like men watching you then you're limiting yourself to a very small cliental. Not really a good idea comparing yourself to what any female model makes. There are non nude models who earn over twice/3 times more than I do.
I wouldn't advise sleeping on cam though as it fucks up camscore.
Agree with what the girls said though, don't see why you care, 1300 isn't a high score, not for a new model. It just means she was lucky enough for people to tip/her to have been taken in a true private to chat. Some of the tips might have come from guys going "tits bb", there are many men who'll tip before finding out what the model does. Female models pretty much always make more than male models. Partly because there are so many men around who are willing to get their cocks out for free or even pay people to watch. And if you don't like men watching you then you're limiting yourself to a very small cliental. Not really a good idea comparing yourself to what any female model makes. There are non nude models who earn over twice/3 times more than I do.
Nordling
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Silly rule at any rate. Although I guess there's an argument that the sleeping model is using bandwidth without bringing in tokens; although if she's (like the model of the OP) maintaining a cam score above 1,000 it'd be silly to enforce the rule. And if a member screen shot the sleeper and sent it to admin, I call rat. lol Classic case of "if you don't like the model, click the "NEXT" button.
Also, I don't see how the OP can compare his income camming with anything happening on MFC, since male models are verboten anyway.
Also, I don't see how the OP can compare his income camming with anything happening on MFC, since male models are verboten anyway.
It's against the rules because MFC knows the model isnt making enough tokens sleeping to cover the cost to have her streaming. That's also why we have CS. To encourage us to make as much $ as possible without staying online long.Nordling said:
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Understood, but I still disagree with it--lol like MFC cares what I think--it would make more sense to have a rule against having a low cam score (which wouldn't make any sense at all). If someone could (theoretically) maintain a 20,000 cam score while always being asleep, it would hurt MFC to ban such a person. My point here is that rules, other than those against breaking actual laws, should be non-existent, since they all take away from the concept of model as independent business person. Any rules that are based on assumed behavior affecting token intake are going to be unfair.PlayboyMegan said:
I did the math using Amazon bandwidth numbers a while ago, and if I'm remembering my napkin math correctly it worked out to about 1 cent/viewer/hr. Whenever you have a sleeping model there's usually a few dudes in there tossing tokens to try to wake her up anyway, so I don't think the bandwidth cost is really a big deal. IMO, its banned because it doesn't represent either the model or MFC well.PlayboyMegan said:
They let a lot worse slide. I really don't think they care how they're represented. It all goes back to money for them.Kradek said:
They may throw a few tokens at the sleeping model, but if the sleeping model was not there, an awake model would be. They're more likely to tip larger amount to the awake model. Run out, have to buy more, etc. it's a smart rule on their part.
No argument that an awake model makes them more money; I just don't buy that they're really losing money from bandwidth on the sleepers.PlayboyMegan said:
Nordling
V.I.P. AmberLander
I don't think it's so much "smart" as it is arbitrary. I'm guessing the powers that be simply thought: "well sleeping isn't camming" and arbitrarily made a rule against it. I stick with my point, such a rule at least in part exposes that MFC doesn't consider their models to be independent contractors but rather, some kind of employee whose lives they may control at their whim.
lol It's kind of a crazy discussion, since it's not that big of a deal really, and yeah, sleeping while on cam is kind of silly--but I guess I just hate authority sometimes.
It's like the rule against "breastfeeding and lactating." Yeah, breastfeeding is an obvious no no since it includes babies or juveniles on cam. But lactating? Does that mean if a model lactates involuntarily (it happens a lot), she should quit camming until she's completely "dried up?" Milk is not a disgusting substance in any way. Otherwise the FCC would ban all those "got milk?" ads. :lol:
lol It's kind of a crazy discussion, since it's not that big of a deal really, and yeah, sleeping while on cam is kind of silly--but I guess I just hate authority sometimes.
It's like the rule against "breastfeeding and lactating." Yeah, breastfeeding is an obvious no no since it includes babies or juveniles on cam. But lactating? Does that mean if a model lactates involuntarily (it happens a lot), she should quit camming until she's completely "dried up?" Milk is not a disgusting substance in any way. Otherwise the FCC would ban all those "got milk?" ads. :lol:
If the Got Milk ads were clearing referring to or showing human breast milk, I can totally imagine the FCC stepping in, just based on the amount of calls and letters that would be generated by busy-body conservatives who think anything to do with breasts must be sexual and therefore taboo on network TV.Nordling said:
On the other hand, that would be an awesome ad campaign for La Leche and similar groups.
Nordling
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Oh, I know they would, but when they did, it would once again show the hypocrisy in our society.inkydoo said:
Think about it, it's okay to be titillated by non-human milk surrounding someone's mouth (bestiality!) but to feel the same response to human milk (normal, same species) is somehow repulsive or nasty.
Absurd.
That, and I've wondered if it caters to rape fetishists (apparently guys do request pretend sleeping or unconscious models)Kradek said:
Gagging would be against the rules, then, too. So many things can cater to that fetish that we wouldn't think about. Can't make it all against the rules.Jupiter551 said:
Nordling
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One more thing on the "no sleeping" rule. Notice how it's stated?
[Sleeping, "passing out".]
Makes me think that it's more an injunction against drug use than simply taking a little nap. Yeah, I realize that "passing out" can be synonymous with sleep, but then it'd be redundant.
[Sleeping, "passing out".]
Makes me think that it's more an injunction against drug use than simply taking a little nap.
Yeah, I realize that "passing out" can be synonymous with sleep, but then it'd be redundant.The funny thing is, the model will have a warning show up every time she logs on about not sleeping on camera, if she is given a warning by MFC. :lol: (Not sure how long that warning pops up for them) Ok, maybe it was just funny to me but the model giggled a little about it too. :-D
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I feel that many of the rules on MFC are lax because they bring in money. Can you imagine the hit they would take if all of the sudden then enforced the no public show rule?
There seems to be a fairly wide margin of what's allowed. If it isn't horribly illegal and many models do it to bring in good money, you'll probably be good to go.
If I started a cam site, I would also rule that no models are allowed to sleep on cam. Just like how strippers aren't allowed to take a nap on stage (I mean, as far as I know; I've never worked in a club). I understand the metaphor isn't perfect, but you want to enourage your contracted workers to perform when they are alert and ready, not when they're about to collapse from exhaustion.
Sleeping isn't illegal, but it probably doesn't rack in a whole lot of money, either. So there isn't any reason for them to not enforce it. I mean, they have to give their modelbanhammer guys something to do, right?
There seems to be a fairly wide margin of what's allowed. If it isn't horribly illegal and many models do it to bring in good money, you'll probably be good to go.
If I started a cam site, I would also rule that no models are allowed to sleep on cam. Just like how strippers aren't allowed to take a nap on stage (I mean, as far as I know; I've never worked in a club). I understand the metaphor isn't perfect, but you want to enourage your contracted workers to perform when they are alert and ready, not when they're about to collapse from exhaustion.
Sleeping isn't illegal, but it probably doesn't rack in a whole lot of money, either. So there isn't any reason for them to not enforce it. I mean, they have to give their modelbanhammer guys something to do, right?
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