My traffic has dropped since the beginning of the year

[dakota__]

Hello!

Traffic in my room has decreased since the beginning of this year. I have been working on the site for more than 3 years, working almost every day for 7 hours or more. My account is on the first page, however, I used to get more traffic and was on the first 2 lines. My broadcasts attracted 5,000 or more viewers. But now there are already up to 3000 people and I’m in the middle of page 1. Because of this, my earnings have become lower, although the quality of my shows is only increasing. Official support refers to blocking by country, and I changed the settings, but it does not change anything. I would really like to know the reason for the decrease in traffic. I will be grateful for your help! My nickname Dakota_Blare. Thanks in advance!

 

[Squinkle]

I follow you, and I noticed that your page dropped very low too. It happened around the same time that several "house accounts" and studio accounts also seemed to drop position on the first page. Some don't even make it on the first page anymore. I think that was around March/April when I noticed it.

Are you working with a studio, by chance? I feel like CB found a way to exclude the artificial traffic (which studios often provide) from affecting the placement algorithm.

During the same timeframe that I saw studios dropping, my own cam went from place 80 to place 20 on the first page, but my viewers didn't change. I will sit around place 20 with only 600 viewers now. Everyone around my cam has thousands, so it doesn't make sense to me either.

They definitely changed something, that's for sure. I hope you get your issue solved.

 

[punker barbie]

@dakota__ I have confirmed that the support team has responded to your inquiry. Ticket #23844464

 

[cbhours]

Are you working with a studio, by chance? I feel like CB found a way to exclude the artificial traffic (which studios often provide) from affecting the placement algorithm.

They work on that all the time, like seriously all the time, there's no large collection of studios with artificial traffic. Most don't even try it anymore CB has devoted a lot of resources to fighting articial traffic...it's both impressive and excessive when you think about the fact that they could have just switched to cam score.

 

[Squinkle]

They work on that all the time, like seriously all the time, there's no large collection of studios with artificial traffic. Most don't even try it anymore CB has devoted a lot of resources to fighting articial traffic...it's both impressive and excessive when you think about the fact that they could have just switched to cam score.

They really should just switch to a camscore. Let us know where we stand! I hate the hidden algorithm.

I didn't intend to imply all studios are using artificial traffic, because I know most of them are cheap scammers and won't pay for it. But there are a few front pagers that definitely do.

 

[Vixxen81]

They really should just switch to a camscore.

Why?

 

[Squinkle]

Why?

To "let us know where we stand."

It's annoying to me that they don't tell us exactly which factors affect our placement. On SC for instance, I like being able to see the score so I can try to improve it each day. It's like a little challenge to continually increase it using known factors. Because of that, I've managed to get mine up over 1200, which makes my cam sit at the very top of the featured list when I stream.

On CB, we don't know all the factors. I don't like the hidden algorithm. It would be nice to see a solid number and to know exactly what affects it, so I know how to improve it like I do on my other sites with camscores.

 

[bamdicted]

To "let us know where we stand."

'Attract as many real users to your room as possible, and keep them engaged as long as possible', this is the basis for CBs algorithm in CBs own words.

CB answer to a question on the algorithm, scroll about halfway down to see the screenshots, and I should note that it is not my user account

 

[Olive]

They work on that all the time, like seriously all the time, there's no large collection of studios with artificial traffic. Most don't even try it anymore CB has devoted a lot of resources to fighting articial traffic...it's both impressive and excessive when you think about the fact that they could have just switched to cam score.

You're an affiliate. Of all people you in particular should understand why CB doesn't use camscore.

 

[Vixxen81]

To "let us know where we stand."

It's annoying to me that they don't tell us exactly which factors affect our placement. On SC for instance, I like being able to see the score so I can try to improve it each day. It's like a little challenge to continually increase it using known factors. Because of that, I've managed to get mine up over 1200, which makes my cam sit at the very top of the featured list when I stream.

On CB, we don't know all the factors. I don't like the hidden algorithm. It would be nice to see a solid number and to know exactly what affects it, so I know how to improve it like I do on my other sites with camscores.

Unless SC gives you a percentage breakdown of what actions led to your score being what it is, that number is just as arbitrary as CB's algo.

 

[AudriTwo]

to answer the OP, get other eggs in your basket if you haven't done so already.

Posting content on other sites will help you by creating passive income, more traffic, and, obviously, more income. Of course, you cannot direct people from one site to another cause that breaks TOS. Instead use your Twitter as a hub for all your links with a link tree.

Other content like clip sites, fan subscription sites, PSO, maybe even nonnude streaming on twitch/kick. one of my favorite ways to get traffic is to comment on my special interest-related threads on twitter. instead of commenting like sexbots, your comment is related to the subject.

 

[Squinkle]

CB answer to a question on the algorithm, scroll about halfway down to see the screenshots, and I should note that it is not my user account

Thank you! I actually have that exact response in an email from them (word for word lol) when I first started on their site a couple years ago. I feel like it's a very vague answer they're giving us.

 

[cbhours]

You're an affiliate. Of all people you in particular should understand why CB doesn't use camscore.

......where did that even come from? It doesn't even make sense and it's got 3 likes so clearly i must be missing something so what am I missing?

I like the system CB uses personally but how is it that you think the system benefits affiliates?

 

[MarieElise]

Unless SC gives you a percentage breakdown of what actions led to your score being what it is, that number is just as arbitrary as CB's algo.

Exactly. SM is the same too.

 

[Vixxen81]

......where did that even come from? It doesn't even make sense and it's got 3 likes so clearly i must be missing something so what am I missing?

I like the system CB uses personally but how is it that you think the system benefits affiliates?

It doesn't but it is the way it is because of the affiliate program. Everyone has an equal shot this way, any other system has potential to be gamed. I think that's why MFC doesn't have an affiliate program but I may be misremembering how and where I learned that.

I like the system as is. I do know on some sites more time spent online lowers your score and CB encourages both model and broadcaster to be on as much as they can handle.

 

[cbhours]

It doesn't but it is the way it is because of the affiliate program. Everyone has an equal shot this way, any other system has potential to be gamed. I think that's why MFC doesn't have an affiliate program but I may be misremembering how and where I learned that.

I like the system as is. I do know on some sites more time spent online lowers your score and CB encourages both model and broadcaster to be on as much as they can handle.

MFC has an affiliate program but let's crakrevenue handle it and bans models from participating.

 

[Vixxen81]

MFC has an affiliate program but let's crakrevenue handle it and bans models from participating.

Ah okay, I couldn't remember exactly how things were over there. I'm happy CB lets us participate as models and I don't want to lose the privilege, and I know some people have been banned from it for abusing it. (Create a new name using my link and add [x} to let me know you did it for me type things.)

 

[Marceline]

I do know on some sites more time spent online lowers your score and CB encourages both model and broadcaster to be on as much as they can handle.

Yeah, this is how it is on MFC. Your camscore is basically calculated by your average tokens per hour over a set amount of time (I think 30 or 45 days? I can't remember exactly). So, if in that time span you've worked 100 hours and made 100,000 tokens (1,000 tks/hr) your camscore is going to be lower than someone who made that same amount in the same timeframe but only streamed for 50 hours. Even if you end up having a, let's say, two hour stream where you make a butt ton of tokens, that can be negated if after that you have multiple streams where you stream a couple of hours and don't make any tips. Which can make some models not want to do long streams when their room is slow, because if things don't pick up, their tokens per hour average goes down which makes your camscore also go down.

It's a big reason why on MFC it's a really good idea to encourage offline tips and MFC Share sales.

 

[Vixxen81]

Yeah, this is how it is on MFC. Your camscore is basically calculated by your average tokens per hour over a set amount of time (I think 30 or 45 days? I can't remember exactly). So, if in that time span you've worked 100 hours and made 100,000 tokens (1,000 tks/hr) your camscore is going to be lower than someone who made that same amount in the same timeframe but only streamed for 50 hours. Even if you end up having a, let's say, two hour stream where you make a butt ton of tokens, that can be negated if after that you have multiple streams where you stream a couple of hours and don't make any tips. Which can make some models not want to do long streams when their room is slow, because if things don't pick up, their tokens per hour average goes down which makes your camscore also go down.

It's a big reason why on MFC it's a really good idea to encourage offline tips and MFC Share sales.

Do they have contest weeks like SM does?

 

[Marceline]

Do they have contest weeks like SM does?

I’m not really familiar with SM, but I think to place high/win in the contests it’s based off how much money you make during the contest period?

If so, MFC does have their monthly Miss MFC contest, which is similar. Every month models are ranked based off their income. It has nothing to do with camscore, it’s all about earnings. Everyone ranked #1000 or higher wins a cash prize. I think it’s, #101-1000 gets a $100 prize. #21-100 gets $200. And the top 20 gets increasing cash prizes with #1 getting a $1500 prize and whoever gets to #1 also gets a necklace or something from MFC.

So let’s say you have two models going for a rank run. Model A works 200 hours and makes 1.5 million tokens. Model B works 50 hours and makes 1.4 million tokens. Model B’s camscore would be much higher, but Model A would still beat B in the ranks, since she made more tokens.

Can’t comment on how ranking is these days, but when I cammed it wasn’t too hard to place in the top #1000. The top 100 gets harder to place and the top 20 was incredibly competitive. Earnings were leaked through a site glitch years ago, and to get to #1 you basically need to make around six figures (not in tokens, actual cash six figures). Models usually go for rank runs, which is a great way to increase earnings, since it’s part of the culture there and a lot of members like to tip heavy during those months to help their fav models increase their rank.

 

[Vixxen81]

I’m not really familiar with SM, but I think to place high/win in the contests it’s based off how much money you make during the contest period?

If so, MFC does have their monthly Miss MFC contest, which is similar. Every month models are ranked based off their income. It has nothing to do with camscore, it’s all about earnings. Everyone ranked #1000 or higher wins a cash prize. I think it’s, #101-1000 gets a $100 prize. #21-100 gets $200. And the top 20 gets increasing cash prizes with #1 getting a $1500 prize and whoever gets to #1 also gets a necklace or something from MFC.

So let’s say you have two models going for a rank run. Model A works 200 hours and makes 1.5 million tokens. Model B works 50 hours and makes 1.4 million tokens. Model B’s camscore would be much higher, but Model A would still beat B in the ranks, since she made more tokens.

Can’t comment on how ranking is these days, but when I cammed it wasn’t too hard to place in the top #1000. The top 100 gets harder to place and the top 20 was incredibly competitive. Earnings were leaked through a site glitch years ago, and to get to #1 you basically need to make around six figures (not in tokens, actual cash six figures). Models usually go for rank runs, which is a great way to increase earnings, since it’s part of the culture there and a lot of members like to tip heavy during those months to help their fav models increase their rank.

Thank you for explaining it. CB just has the top spot contest every hour and the occasional costume/video contest.

 

[Olive]

......where did that even come from? It doesn't even make sense and it's got 3 likes so clearly i must be missing something so what am I missing?

I like the system CB uses personally but how is it that you think the system benefits affiliates?

What are you on about, it makes all the sense in the world CB is focused on converting as much traffic into payers and on top of that gets income from ads (again: traffic). Affiliates make money by their traffic converting into payers. Do they make that happen themselves? No. Who does? Models. What models...? Not the highest earning models in the least amount of time that have a crazy whale or two.. So from what perspective does it make sense to put those models on the top spots on the website? None. There's no reason that would ever make sense on this particular website.

What does make sense? Focusing on an algorithm that puts people on top that attract the largest amount of (paying) traffic. Et voila, you have CB's algorithm

I responded to you saying that focusing on perfecting their specific algorithm is excessive when they could've just switched to camscore... That's a dumb take since there is a very exact intention in how they operate that camscore would completely work against. And yes, would also be very much to the detriment of affiliates (and models) in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Olive]

Dp cause my edit time ran out but:

There's plenty I don't like about the algorithm in terms of how it feeds into itself and how some people get completely left out, but their focus as a website makes complete sense to me and I recognize the benefit I get from the traffic that gets created.

 

[MarieElise]

I’m not really familiar with SM, but I think to place high/win in the contests it’s based off how much money you make during the contest period?

SM does various types, but there is usually at least 1 big week-long contest, or a clump of several shorter 1-2 day contests every month.

Different monetary prizes go out for each one, but they are all somewhat based on what you earned.
There is often one where you get a bonus for working at least 25 live hours that week, but how much of a bonus you get depends on what tier of earnings you fell into for those 25 hours.

Then, the top 500-1000 highest-earning models on the site often get a separate bonus, too, depending on which tier they fall in. Some contests only reward the top 500, while others reward all 1000.
It's divided up into tiers with different prizes, the higher you rank the more you get. Then the top 10 models all get different, and increasing amounts. After that it goes 11- 20, 21-50, 51-100, 100-200 and so on and so forth. Sorry to interject, just sounded like maybe some folks might find it interesting info to know.

 

[cbhours]

What are you on about, it makes all the sense in the world CB is focused on converting as much traffic into payers and on top of that gets income from ads (again: traffic). Affiliates make money by their traffic converting into payers. Do they make that happen themselves? No. Who does? Models. What models...? Not the highest earning models in the least amount of time that have a crazy whale or two.. So from what perspective does it make sense to put those models on the top spots on the website? None. There's no reason that would ever make sense on this particular website.

What does make sense? Focusing on an algorithm that puts people on top that attract the largest amount of (paying) traffic. Et voila, you have CB's algorithm

I responded to you saying that focusing on perfecting their specific algorithm is excessive when they could've just switched to camscore... That's a dumb take since there is a very exact intention in how they operate that camscore would completely work against. And yes, would also be very much to the detriment of affiliates (and models) in the grand scheme of things.

It's actually the opposite of what you are thinking, if CB was to create tour links that targeted models based on a cam score feature most advertisers would want to use that tour over the "top" tours they currently have. I'm not saying there aren't great models on CB that show up in the "top" tours, that's not the problem the problem is there are also many that don't do hardly any talking at all and are doing some sort of action show like dildo riding, group sex, etc. These types of shows attract a lot of people but they do not convert well.

 

[Olive]

It's actually the opposite of what you are thinking, if CB was to create tour links that targeted models based on a cam score feature most advertisers would want to use that tour over the "top" tours they currently have. I'm not saying there aren't great models on CB that show up in the "top" tours, that's not the problem the problem is there are also many that don't do hardly any talking at all and are doing some sort of action show like dildo riding, group sex, etc. These types of shows attract a lot of people but they do not convert well.

Yeah you're right, I'm sure that the highest earning room with multimillionair Timmy that enjoys his model to himself so he can watch her talk about crushing his little blue berries over and over will convert all the traffic you send.

Tokens earned in x time doesn't lead to the converting quality you want to find for the general traffic you're sending.

I think (and CB too evidently) that entertainment value based on attracting the most paying traffic makes more sense. Is it perfect? No, far from it. But it does beat out a camscore system in many ways.