Mostly everything is the same

[Dinowalkrox]

A little background, I was one of the new users to MFC who got pulled in by a video going viral on reddit.com The video in question: http://www.xvideos.com/video5488862/hot ... _on_webcam

Aella_girl came forward in comments and introduced herself. Did an AmA on reddit (Ask me Anything) http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1 ... ow_a_mime/

So what happened was her cam got flooded with some 3000+ new users who have probably never been to a cam site before in their life. Myself included. I think the furthest she ever weren't on cam was getting naked and have her butt slapped a few times. A reasonable estimate of her tokens for that night would be about 100.000.

When she "passed out drunk for the night" the users mitigated to other cams and a bunch of girls made a hole lot of tips. Infinite_T must have had a 3 hour consistent yellow spam wall. And apparently climbed to rank 150 whatever that means.

So having thoroughly enjoyed myself that night, and tipped quite a bit for weird stuff like girls playing "spin the dildo" (A 12" dildo is really bad at this btw) I off course started to frequent MFC to see other exciting stuff. And I am sure many other new users did the same thing. And what i found was "Mostly everything is the same", let me elaborate on that comment.

The fact is that mostly every girl is catering to the widest possible audience at all times. Same hair twirls, same overused makeup, same type of clothes (with a few exceptions), really boring in chat, never doing much on their own to get things going, begging politely and in some cases not so polity for tips gets old real fast. Look I understand it is work and you want pay, but jesus christ please stop doing nothing at all.

Now let me tell you some stats, Basically 90% of all porn sites make very little money. The Fetish sites however almost always do.
The reason for this is that vanilla is a dime a dozen but people are willing to pay to meet their fetish or just plain see something different. We are living in times when the average 18 year old male has seen more naked boobs then his grand father ever deemed possible, and it really does not do much for him anymore.

So back to MFC and why everything is mostly the same. The top girls do not need any gimmicks or much of anything else to draw people in, they have a name for themselves they probably stream a lot, and have a lot of regulars. So of course they can do vanilla, girl next door look, another horny amateur or whatever else they are going for. So what I am thinking is that new girls see this, see how many tips they are getting and do the exact same thing. Instead of trying to corner a different market entirely.

Now standing out is not easy and fetishes can be down right scary in some cases, but who am i to judge. But lets try and dig in to some of the more common fetishes. That are almost not represented on MFC at all.

Clothing Fetishes:

-Uniforms, I think like 90% of people in the western world have a uniform fetish, Nurses, cops, cheerleaders, firemen, military and so on.
-SM/Bondage, Warning please do not tie yourself up on cam when on your own, that could be bad. But again the clothing associated with this leather, collars a whip and so on.
-Cosplay, a somewhat newer fetish the revolves around dressing up as some iconic character from media.
-Vintage, Seems to be becoming quite popular, probably all the hipsters, This kinda ranges over quite a large spectrum. But think 3 musketeers, noble women in huge dresses with tight corsets and things like that. (Keep hydrated and have AC if doing something like this)
-Fitness, seems to be an up and coming thing, everyone is a gym member these days. How does this sound instead of sitting on cam bored cause nothing is going on, do your fitness routine in front of the cam.
-Cooking, This is one of my own sorry, but learning a new recipe for some nice dinner while watching a hot girl with an apron on would be pretty cool, that might be the diet talking, sorry again.

Just a few examples. Their are 1000's more of these. Do some research and find things that have a following that you think could be fun to do. Do not engage in anything you are not 100% okay with yourself please. Not just for your own sake but because you will most likely come of as really fake and likely fail at making money.

Now one more thing: For the love of my ears, please make sure to spend some money on a descent cam and a descent freaking microphone. Most build't in computer microphones are complete garbage and should be avoided. Get a descent directional microphone and make people very happy. You can literally set these up to cover specific "zones" and always broadcast at the same volume. So say your dancing a bit away from your cam, as to not knock your computer down, you will still be 100% able to talk to your room without having to shout yourself hoarse.
Also make sure when playing music in your room to adjust the settings, especially the bass and treble or things can start sounding really distorted on the other side.

PS: DO not start spamming reddit.com trying to do the same exact thing, it will not work a 2nd time anytime soon and will most likely get you banned and possible all future camgirl ama's.

 

[Evvie]

Oh look, another asshole with admittedly zero experience in the industry coming to tell us how to do our jobs.

Thank you for this wisdom of the ages, bro. If only I had a smart man brain like you.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

OMG thank you!

I have been searching everywhere for some guidance on this matter... the 1000's of helpful and experienced ladies with all teh advice they give out in the models only section did nothing for me.

But you, stranger who has never cammed before.. you... have revolutionized the way I think about camming!

NEVER BEFORE DID IT CROSS MY MIND THAT I SHOULD TRY TO BE UNIQUE, and HAZ GOOD INTERNET AND CAM AND LIGHTING

Also, remind me never to tie myself up on cam alone again.
It could be dangerous and poor little me.. I might get hurt depsite having taken classes on this....

why dont they tell you these things?
you should write a book. srsly.



actually, in all seriousness ... you might have meant this well but you're an entitled jackass...

YOU KNOW NOTHING JON SNOW!

 

[LacieLaPlante]

Loool Did this guy really waste his time writing this shit?

Look, guy, you came to the wrong place to try and tell camgirls how to do their thing. We have much more detailed posts on our end of the forum that say this in a more informed, helpful, less insulting way coming from camgirls who have actually, uh, cammed. Hell, they're formatted better so that they're even easily readable.

 

[Sevrin]

u girls dun no gud ad vice wen u c it. here a man want 2 help u n u go poopoo 2u. if u not b nice we men gonna stop helping u.

 

[Dinowalkrox]

Well not my intention to offend anyone, clearly I have done so anyway.

Thought the perspective of a recent customer might be handy. Clearly I was wrong.

Mods feel free to delete my posts.

 

[AmberCutie]

Aella is definitely a blast to watch and innovative with her shows. While reading the first couple of lines I thought it was going to be a nice post about how entertaining she is.

I am sad that it turned into yet another post about how girls aren't doing their job right, and especially sad that it was a comparison to such a fine lady.

You know, I say this all the time: A compliment that doesn't put others down in comparison is a MUCH better compliment.

Such a shame.

Also, a big congrats to her if she did come away with 100k tokens in a day. That's a feat that not many of us can accomplish.

 

[Brad]

There is actually an entire web site that contains a ton of great info for cam models. Here's the link.
:thumbleft:

Awesome cam model info site


Oh, and I rated and admired all of you beautiful ladies, so there you go. See how helpful I am.
:whistle:

 

[JerryBoBerry]

A little background,

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l future camgirl ama's.

Thank you for making up a bunch of numbers and percentages that mean nothing to support your stupid opinions which are wrong. Now please go away. You don't speak for 98% of sane people.

Edit: I read the OP and replied. I see after that it has already been responded to. Carry on.

 

[Anonymous]

Great. Another thread with a link to a capped video. This is getting fucking ridiculous.....

 

[LilyMarie]

There's a reason the top models on the site don't cater to fetishes in their shows. If anything, they sell videos with very popular fetish content (such as feet).

A fitness fetish? A firewoman fetish? Come on. How big do you think the target group is for that? Business-wise, it has always made sense to sell things many people are into, rather than things few people are into. It's just... common sense.
Saying that mostly everything is the same makes it blatantly obvious that you haven't been on MFC for very long at all. Just because models who want to make good money cater to a large, rather than a small crowd, doesn't mean everything is the same. So many different personality and appearance types.

Just search for models who have your fetish as a tag if you're so determined on finding one, or ask a girl if she's ready to make a custom vid including your fetish, or if she'll take care of it in a private show. Don't expect her to do that special request stuff in public chat where she likely won't make money with it.

 

[ScarletVixen]

Hello Dinowalk, Welcome to the Forum. I'm a redditor too and saw the AMA, posted a question that got buried, but it was a ton of fun and I'm really glad Aella had an awesome night from it!

The info and tips you gave are good ones, pretty fundamental actually, and all of it is already contained in great detail in the Models-Only section here on this forum. There's many successful cam-models here that have shared their tips, for everything from show ideas (to be active and doing something interesting while on cam) to clothing/outfit tips, lighting, angles and much, much more.


Many ladies here do try very hard to have a good show and fun room for the members, to be unique and to enjoy themselves genuinely when on camera.

But, unfortunately, there's only a tiny fraction of ladies here compared to the massive amount of models on MFC. There's thousands and thousands of them and only a small chunk are here on this forum and verified to be in the models-only section where most of the good advice and tips and given.

The reason why some of the girls here are probably going to be "well no shit, sherlock, thanks for the uber advice" is because many of the best models here have written Guides and How-To articles here explaining the same helpful tips and new people come asking for the same advice pretty much daily. It's one of those "heard it, seen it, got the t-shirt" situations. It's the REPOST to end all reposts

There's multiple member-made threads here where the guys explain common problems they see and ways to improve the experience as well, most of it being the same things you mentioned. It's hard for guys to know what life is like on the other side of the camera (so it can be a little frustrating), but I don't think what they say should be disregarded AT ALL. They are the target audience!

 

[Dinowalkrox]

Thank you for the clarification ScarletVixen.

Again i was not trying to insult any of the girls on the site, was just my impressions of a few days of MFC.

Clearly i have not been looking hard enough for stuff that appeals to me.

 

[CallMeWilliam]

Hello Dinowalk, Welcome to the Forum. I'm a redditor too and saw the AMA, posted a question that got buried, but it was a ton of fun and I'm really glad Aella had an awesome night from it!

The info and tips you gave are good ones, pretty fundamental actually, and all of it is already contained in great detail in the Models-Only section here on this forum. There's many successful cam-models here that have shared their tips, for everything from show ideas (to be active and doing something interesting while on cam) to clothing/outfit tips, lighting, angles and much, much more.


Many ladies here do try very hard to have a good show and fun room for the members, to be unique and to enjoy themselves genuinely when on camera.

But, unfortunately, there's only a tiny fraction of ladies here compared to the massive amount of models on MFC. There's thousands and thousands of them and only a small chunk are here on this forum and verified to be in the models-only section where most of the good advice and tips and given.

The reason why some of the girls here are probably going to be "well no shit, sherlock, thanks for the uber advice" is because many of the best models here have written Guides and How-To articles here explaining the same helpful tips and new people come asking for the same advice pretty much daily. It's one of those "heard it, seen it, got the t-shirt" situations. It's the REPOST to end all reposts

There's multiple member-made threads here where the guys explain common problems they see and ways to improve the experience as well, most of it being the same things you mentioned. It's hard for guys to know what life is like on the other side of the camera (so it can be a little frustrating), but I don't think what they say should be disregarded AT ALL. They are the target audience!

Thanks for taking the time to post a helpful and constructive post ScarletVixen, especially to a new user to MFC and the forum. :handgestures-salute:

 

[Jupiter551]

What is this I dont even...?

 

[Nordling]

Just for your information, OP. Did you know that "mitigate" does NOT mean "move" or "migrate?" It actually means "to lessen in intensity." Just a tip. I might suggest you get a literate friend to edit your next "how-to" guide.

 

[KayleePond]

Thank you for the clarification ScarletVixen.

Again i was not trying to insult any of the girls on the site, was just my impressions of a few days of MFC.

Clearly i have not been looking hard enough for stuff that appeals to me.

I think that sometimes it CAN seem like many models are doing the same thing on MFC, however this specific community happens to include some of the most innovative, unique, and creative models you will find probably in the entire webcamming industry. If this was a forum actually for MFC as a whole, specifically, perhaps this post would be more appropriate, but this community happens to be dedicated to constant thought and research regarding camming.

It is easy for members and models here to become frustrated because, as Scarlet said, we get posts like this ALL the time giving us advice about camming. There are many, many posts that are very similar to yours, and one guy even had the audacity to make a series of terrible Youtube "tutorials" for us! Sometimes we are a bit on edge because we get it so often and most of us here put in countless hours educating ourselves.

What you don't get to see is the thousands of threads full of incredibly in depth discussions and research regarding pretty much every aspect of camming. Seriously, it is staggering. Though this is one of the most prominent webcam forums, especially MFC focused (I think), we are not representative of most of the models on MFC. We are not the people who need this advice and even the girls who do should probably be directed to forums like this where they can get the information directly from those who are actually immersed in this as a job/career/lifestyle.

There is a lot to enjoy and see on MFC (and other great camming sites) and I think that you'll find it just takes a bit more work to find the girls who are doing what you're into. That's one of the extra fun things about MFC, there is someone for everyone!

Also, regarding various fetishes, the things that you have mentioned are really quite common, but most of us do fetish content in different ways. Clips4Sale is often a better place for fetish content OR custom videos sold via MFC. Also, it is not really easy to do such specific things all of the time, especially during public shows on MFC. For example, I do costumes and cosplay every Saturday, but the novelty (and my supplies) would totally wear out if I did it every single day. Anyway, trust me, we know what we're doing!

 

[mynameisbob84]

I'm sat here watching the football ("soccer" for you American folk) and Newcastle just conceded their third goal. They're passing the ball around, and then they're losing the ball, and they're conceding goals. Some things they're not currently doing that I think they should be:

- Pass the ball without losing it to the opposition. If the opposition don't have the ball, they can't score. For this reason, I think it would be a good idea if they endeavoured to keep the ball as much as possible.

- Score more goals. They haven't scored any yet, and if they're gonna get anything from this game at all, they're gonna have to start scoring. I think it would be a good idea for them to make an effort to create chances to score by stringing passes together, thus creating scoring opportunities.

- Stop conceding goals. The more goals they concede, the less likely it is they'll be able to salvage this game. A good way to stop the opposition from scoring is to block their shots and make successful tackles on the player in possession of the ball.

:?

 

[Dinowalkrox]

Thank you also KayleePond

I believe I was linked to the website on MFC and it seemed like a semi official forum, even has banner adds for MFC.

My mistake, and lack of research.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

OK im sorry for yelling at you you're not as douchey as you seemed in the first post.


SO here's a less douchey response from me:

Aella does not make bank because she has stumbled across a previously untapped niche of extreme mime fetishists.. btw. She makes bank because she's incredibly entertaining. It's not about niches and fetishes, its about being good entertainment in some form or other.

On clips4sale an argument for fetish and niches would hold up. That site's traffic is primarily fetish focussed. MFC's traffic is entertainment and social interaction focussed. So thats why most of the girls focus on socializing and entertaining....


When you give advise to anyone about something that they do know, and you do not know well... it pays to do it a little less.. know it all, and to add an acknowledgement that you don't really know what you're talking about, and that these opinions reflect your own personal tastes.

When you quote facts at us please provide sources.

 

[mynameisbob84]

I don't think Dino's intent was to piss anyone off and I'm sure he thought he was offering up valuable advice and ideas that nobody had thought of before. His only "crime" was being of the naive mindset that led him to post that advice in the first place. I dare say he fell into the trap of thinking that the insight into the camming world he gleaned from hanging around in a few rooms on MFC for a few days had

a) led to some revelatory realisation that the average model was oblivious to

and

b) his experiences in camland were representative of everybody else's.

As it turns out, neither happens to be true.

 

[Sevrin]

My mistake, and lack of research.

Research tip to would-be internet dispensers of helpful advice!

When visiting a message board for the first time, get an idea of what has already been posted. If you scroll down to the bottom of the Board Index page, you will notice that over 385 thousand posts have been made on this particular message board. Let's say half of those are cat photos and word games. That still leaves 200 thousand posts which may contain paragraphs.

On a message board run by a well-known, and very charming cam model, there is a chance that the topic of "Becoming a Successful Cam Model!" has come up once or twice in those posts, for example in the General Camming Discussion forum, somewhere among its 1845 threads, or perhaps in the Models Only forum, in which most topics likely end up with confessions of detailed sexual fantasies involving Yours Truly and, occasionally, non-Sevrin ACF pervs, but other discussions are allowed, as well.

 

[Shaun__]

Mostly everything is the same, except for the stuff that is different. If you just casually browse MFC you see a lot of models doing the same thing, but if you stop and take the time to investigate, they each have things that make them unique. You personally may not like their little special something, but all of them have it.

 

[Just Me]

I see we are still not giving new posters a break. Is it not possible to remember that new posters do not know the unwritten rules of this board and which subjects you will have to tread lightly with?

Yes, we have seen these attempts many times of the helpful observers and they all have the same thing in common, no real research. Still, instead of ganging up on them we could nicely point out that they haven't done their research. The original post wasn't terribly written. There was formatting, capitalization and punctuation and best of all no texting abbreviations. I tend to give these type of first posts the benefit of the doubt.

As to the OP's ideas about fetishes. I have seen all of them done by many different models. You will have to go past the first page to find all the things offered by MFC models.

 

[Sevrin]

I see we are still not giving new posters a break. Is it not possible to remember that new posters do not know the unwritten rules of this board and which subjects you will have to tread lightly with?

I'm gonna go with no. He came here like God's gift to cam whores. Part of successfully joining any community, even online ones, requires a bit humility and a bit of time spent learning the habits of the natives by watching. I saw evidence of neither in the OP. Some people need to get slapped around a bit before they learn that.

 

[AmberCutie]

I think that any person who is "new to MFC" via reddit or /b/ or whatever brought them here/to MFC doesn't realize how deep the community goes or realizes any of the inner-world stuff. There's obviously a whole behind-the-scenes that sometimes gets detailed a bit here at ACF or on MFC, and folks who have JUST NOW DISCOVERED CAMMING are like fresh nubiles in this world.

They speak from the heart, which we can't fault them for, but don't realize it's all been said before.

While I may feel bad about newcomers getting jumped on because they really don't know any better, it really DOES get old hearing the same "u r doing it wrong, I liek when u do xyz in chat instead of doing the formulaic abc" schpeel.

And I'll echo the others whom have said it's basically preaching to the choir here. ACF is comprised of cam girls who HAVE sought out help, advice, and innovation. So the girls who are active here are the ones who are already doing the right things, and as such many of us/them feel a bit insulted when the things we already aim to do are being pushed in our faces as the 1. 2. 3. of how to get more income.

 

[Rebecca Buck]

For me, it's mostly just the attitude that we don't know how to do our jobs. I understand that new posters don't know the ropes. That doesn't mean you can walk into a retail outlet and tell the floor workers how to do their job.

I mean, you could, but that person probably isn't going to like you, and it's going to make your experience kind of suck.

Customer service kind of goes both ways.

Possibly ACF is really different, but I find it hard to believe we're the only camwhores who know what we're doing.

In any case. Our new board member stepped on a few toes, and he apologized. We don't need to rough the poor guy up or 'slap him around'. There's no need to be territorial here at all.

So let's not be territorial, okay?

 

[yossarian]

I have some tips on how to handle menstruation, if anyone's interested.

 

[curvyredhead]

I have some tips on how to handle menstruation, if anyone's interested.

I am ready to read them.

 

[ScarletVixen]

I have some tips on how to handle menstruation, if anyone's interested.

I am ready to read them.

If it doesn't include Midol, Chocolate and Cartoons I don't wanna hear it :lol: