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[xander77]

First I congratulate the models as Ambercutie, Daisy, Alexlady, Danimarie, Devonalexies, gigglegirl. among others. The effort they make to be on top.

I find it peculiar how some models are in the first place. I went to their room. I'm not talking about the candiecane struggling a lot.
The strange thing is that they give high tips to be dressed and talk only. 15 000 tokens every day. I find it very strange when it is always the same member. More strange is when does this only to models of Eastern Europe and when they appear in mfc only two months ago.

I'm proud of models who struggle as I said before
shower shows, raffles ...

Now when I see models in the top 5 that we do not see anything and we have members monopilizar to miss my free cams. and still always the same ...
Everything is very strange .. but I'm just speculating ...

if you want to delete the topic ambercutie ok ...

just had to vent

 

[AmberCutie]

All girls have different shows, members, strategies, etc. There are some who do private/groups constantly to get tokens, some who do raffles, some who auction off dates or prizes, and some who just have VERY loyal fans who want to see them succeed. Just because a model doesn't put on the type of show you prefer to see doesn't mean she shouldn't receive tokens from other people who enjoy her. If that amount of tokens should happen to put her high in the rankings, then good for her.

Let me clarify something I think you're referring to... CrazySysy is NOT a new model. She is a long time, rather loved, MFC girl who removed herself from her studio account which was named "Goldenlady." She has fans who have adored her for a long while and thus want to see her succeed.

If a girl can succeed so much without having to "work" as hard (i.e. fuck herself with toys, squirt, shower shows, etc) why do you blame her? If your boss at work said "hey you just hang out at your desk all day and browse the internet and chat with your friends and I will pay you your full pay check, plus bonuses every day"... would you still bust ass? I think you'd take the easier route, too.

Another point I will make is this. You may see a girl getting high in the rankings and just "sitting around" but you have no idea what kind of time she puts into her MFC relationships and work behind the scenes. If a member is looking for attention and companionship for the tokens they give their favorite model, then she may very well be spending a lot of time communicating with them or sending them photos or whatnot while she is not on cam.

It's easy for people to pass judgment on others. I'd suggest before deciding someone is not worth of something, take a step back and apply their situation to yours and think twice. And I am not just addressing this to Xander (even though I am a little peeved that ALL of Xander's topics seem to be along the same lines) but to anyone who throws fits about who ends up on top each month.

 

[xander77]

I'm not to say that there is none escort encounters. I apologize if I understand why this form.
nor will specify models.
I'm just corroborates theories advanced here in the forum in the site mycamgirl.net.
Stolen credit cards.
is a fact that has been some members do every day high tips for models from eastern europe. I do not know if it's true it's just a theory of many members.
Or have members or billionaires is strange. everyday tips of 15000 tokens at the end of the month ... a lot of money .....

But I apologize if I am Ambercutie will take it otherwise.

Only one way to refect mfc is like to walk and even miss the free cams ...

 

[makeumoist]

I think a lot of people forget that this is not just a bit of fun for the models, this is how they make a living. As a model you will (I presume) do what you need to/want to/are prepared to do in order to earn money. Every girl has their own individual way of doing things and that is why so many different girls can make a living. As a viewer (voyeur) you make a choice as to whose style you prefer and you tip accordingly. Provided everyone plays by the rules (separate topic would be required for this) it shouldn't matter what a girl does to attract tips. You should look at this positively and tip your favourite girls more rather than worrying about how girls you are not interested in are making their money.

btw, Amber, very eloquent reponse.

 

[Sevrin]

You should look at this positively and tip your favourite girls more rather than worrying about how girls you are not interested in are making their money.

QFT. There are lots of things and lots of people in this world we may not like. It's so much more life-enriching to celebrate what, and whom we do like.

 

[AlexLady]

Just because someone wants to tip a model a lot doesn't mean the money is stolen. I mean, as Amber tried to say; people will pay models what they want for doing what they like.


It doesn't mean what you pay them, or what you'd be willing to pay them.



Some girls get tipped 15k to chat, other girls get tipped 5k to put on a sweater, and someone else might get tipped 50 to shove a bat up her ass while some other girl gets tipped 3k to shower.



Who cares? Members take care of the models and the model entertains the members. It's just that some models try harder to please specific members while others manage to please everyone.

Just because you don't want to tip doesn't mean someone else doesn't. Don't get upset at them for spending their money how -they- want to.


Fuck I'm tired of people giving other people shit for tipping models--especially if it's another model doing the tipping. I mean, we're all enemies and want to kill each other, right? ...Right? Wait. Dugh.

<_<

 

[AluraCurvyBBW]

Lol that's funny alex.. I bet a lot of basics and some premiums would do double takes to see what models have prem names.. shit I almost deleted and ban hammered someone under my prem name the other day

 

[Mirra]

AlexLady's premium name is just so secret squirrel. Not even slightly obvious. >_>

 

[LadyLuna]

AlexLady's premium name is just so secret squirrel. Not even slightly obvious. >_>

LOL

Mine, well, not so obvious, unless you've paid any attention at all. After all, it's the name on my livejournal...

 

[xander77]

I'm not to say that the models are making or not.
But imagine all day. the same member 15 000 tokens. or else ... And it's more a model of the same country ... 30 000 tokens every day ...
i make tips .. I do like models .. almost every day .. but not 15000 tokens every day. 400 tokens. the member make all day 30 000 tokens for 2 models in the end of month is 900 000 tokens!billionaire... and the rumors of credit card stolen i dont said this.. in this forum some members talk about..

 

[AmberCutie]

I'm not to say that the models are making or not.
But imagine all day. the same member 15 000 tokens. or else ... And it's more a model of the same country ... 30 000 tokens every day ...
i make tips .. I do like models .. almost every day .. but not 15000 tokens every day. 400 tokens. the member make all day 30 000 tokens for 2 models in the end of month is 900 000 tokens!billionaire... and the rumors of credit card stolen i dont said this.. in this forum some members talk about..

If you made more money and could afford to tip 1000's of tokens your favorite model who you are VERY entertained by, you would tip a lot more too.

 

[camiliasilf]

well i made a post to this topic so i though,,, now its not here... lol wonder where i posted it

 

[Mirra]

I've seen some pretty high rolling regulars. I even have one premium I would consider my friend who tips several models pretty well when he is in their room. Some premiums are better off financially than the average person and it seems to me that MOST of them become loyal to one or two models at most. For instance while ted does not put up quite the numbers you are talking about, he tips very well when he is around and, as far as I know, is mostly biased towards Amber (not that I blame him). Another example is Al who is a regular for CandieCane. He is very loyal to Candie and tips very well when he is around. Hopefully my examples do not cause drama as I am only trying to illustrate that there is little cause for any kind of conspiracy theory and that the behavior of a premium tipping ONE model frequently and with large tips is not nearly as suspicious as one might think.

 

[xander77]

yes tip.. no everday day.. sometimes 400 tokens other 1000. for month.. maybe 10000 tokens.. or less

 

[Mirra]

Alright, Xander. Maybe you're right. Maybe I should start wearing a tinfoil hat too. >_>

 

[camiliasilf]

the only thing i was trying to say is that it is a complete waste of energy that can quickly turn your mood negative if you try to conenctrate on the tips other models may or may not be getting. I think its a good thing to try and learn from other girls here but the moment you start to compare and even feel jealous your loyals and room are affected.

and if you are that curious why not send that model a mail or pm asking if there is anything in particular you can consider doing that she is doing to get such loyal high tippers... other than that just be happy that people are able to be so generous and that at least a few models are in such a posistion to receive it.

me i have received 100 to 500 token tips never over that, if i were to id probably cry my head off because itd be such an amazing thing, however, that does not stop me from being happy that other models have found successful people to tip them or being happy that such people are sucessful enough to be able to do so.

when it comes down to it its about you and your room... and if you are making people happy and you are happy thats all that matters really

 

[Bocefish]

I believe Xander is just venting his feelings on what most of us already know happens...such as models tipping themselves, studios tipping their models to stay on top, models giving money to members to tip, etc., and that's just the legal stuff. :whistle:

If it bothers you, just don't visit the rooms you think operate unfairly. There is nothing more you can do.

 

[Keithy]

and someone else might get tipped 50 to shove a bat up her ass

You saw AnalFistBat perform too?

 

[NinjaPerv]

I believe Xander is just venting his feelings on what most of us already know happens...such as models tipping themselves, studios tipping their models to stay on top, models giving money to members to tip, etc., and that's just the legal stuff. :whistle:

So xander is complaining about his limited resources? I don't get it. Tip what you can, just because you don't have a good paying job theres no reason to think every "high roller" is running scams. You have guys that run construction companies, trucking companies, stock brokers, banking execs, architects, engineering firms, career military guys, web developers, the list goes on of good paying jobs. And guys have different value for the price of entertainment. If im making 200k plus a year i won't cry about spending $30k on my entertainment. But if you're making 50k a year......
But you also have guys that go into serious debt trying to impress a girl online.....

As for scams and other "unfair" practices......camming is a business, its like saying corporations with bigger marketing budgets cheat...... Those tactics are available to all to use. But really if you're not a porn star or an escort why bother? Whats the motivation to use your own money to be listed higher? I could see doing it for a month to boost you up and get more exposure, but the lounge is useful for that and regardless you can self tip all you want, doesn't mean prems will take a liking to you or that you'll get more tippers.

Alot of things are possible

BTW other then caterine and axanka.... what other studio models are in the top? Not top 20 anyway, that i know of. Seems to be alot of focus on studio models here. I read even mila worked for one, she calls it an agent, but whatever, not directly controlling your account and being paid by mfc is the same as a studio imo.

 

[xander77]

each member should tip you have and what you think. I believe we have the mfc many people with too much money. But if you make the accounts as I did I was a little stunned. Is there a member who makes an average of 30 000 tokens tips per day. Now multiply 30,000 X 30 days = 900,000 tokens. For members each token costs 0,08 cents. then 900 000 X 0,08 = $ 72,000.
The for one token win 0,05. He tips two models for this tip. Soon every one should receive around 450,000 tokens per month. 450 000 X 0.05 = 22,500 per month. This in a country where the minimum wage is around $ 100. With this money for a year they need not work more ... Cool ... lol...
i believe some members win a lot but is very strange...

 

[Mirra]

Well first of all, if you buy a big enough package from MFC (the min threshold number evades me atm) you can get your tokens for $0.06 per token. Next I would ask how you can be absolutely certain that one person is tipping this model 30k tokens EVERYDAY. If you're tracking him that closely, I am a bit worried. 900,000 tokens plus a few here and there from others should put this girl in the top 3 of Miss MFC every week and probably #1... so is she opting out of it? It just does not add up.

Seriously dude. Grab the box of aluminum foil and make yourself a hat.

 

[xander77]

Next I would ask how you can be absolutely certain that one person is tipping this model 30k tokens EVERYDAY. If you're tracking him that closely, I am a bit worried.

lol no trackinh him....lol.. the member put pictures in profile....with tips...

 

[mica2022]

I'm not to say that there is none escort encounters. I apologize if I understand why this form.
nor will specify models.
I'm just corroborates theories advanced here in the forum in the site mycamgirl.net.
Stolen credit cards.
is a fact that has been some members do every day high tips for models from eastern europe. I do not know if it's true it's just a theory of many members.
Or have members or billionaires is strange. everyday tips of 15000 tokens at the end of the month ... a lot of money .....

But I apologize if I am Ambercutie will take it otherwise.

Only one way to refect mfc is like to walk and even miss the free cams ...

It could be definetely stolen credit cards.
Figure that: A stolen credit card can't be used offline in a shop, because of signature and the shop might ask for an ID card. Can*t be used at an ATM neither, because the PIN is needed.
But if you use a stolen credit card, all information needed is on the card, including the CVC. One could purchase goods on the internet, but that requires a shipping address and one needs to resell the goods to get the cash.
Where as if one buys tks, the collaborating model or studio gets the tks, minus the MFC cut. That amounts to ~ 40%, but considered that the cut one looses reselling stolen goods, it is still good. Plus no shipping address needed. And: while when buying tks one is asked, for a zip code of the card owner.
Out of interest, I once tested it, and mistyped the zip. To my surprise, the transaction went through, so zip and address infos are not verified by the payment processor, only the credit card number, name, expiry date and CVC, and that's all on the card.

Plus: once the money is in Romania, or wherever, it is "white" money. To me, that's an invitation to organised crime.

Wonder why the credit card companies dont design a more secure procedure.

[EDIT:] The only thing which does not support that reasoning is the fact, that on a new MFC account, one would have to establish a credit card history first, to be able to purchase bigger tks packages. So while that kind of scam could be possible, it can only be done on a very small scale. Not very likely, or?[/EDIT]

I don't mean, all models getting high tips are involved in scams. Some might not know, because it is their studios, and some models indeed get high tips legally. In our world, there are filthy rich ppl, who are in the fortunate situation, that money doesn't matter at all. Why not, if they can afford. There are less enjoyable ways, to get rid of money...

And, as a high ranking gives a model a higher visibility, it is economics to some extent.

 

[mica2022]

Well first of all, if you buy a big enough package from MFC (the min threshold number evades me atm) you can get your tokens for $0.06 per token.

$0.06 per token? Wiretransfers over 150 usd gets you $0.08 per token.

And as models/studios always receive $0.05 per token, how can MFC still make a profit on $0.06 per token? That would make only sense, if MFC had a cash-flow problem?

At that price, self-tipping to maintain a high camscore and visibility would definitively make economic sense...

Can someone verify that information, and how much tokens does one need to purchase to get that discount?

 

[NinjaPerv]

Well first of all, if you buy a big enough package from MFC (the min threshold number evades me atm) you can get your tokens for $0.06 per token. Next I would ask how you can be absolutely certain that one person is tipping this model 30k tokens EVERYDAY. If you're tracking him that closely, I am a bit worried. 900,000 tokens plus a few here and there from others should put this girl in the top 3 of Miss MFC every week and probably #1... so is she opting out of it? It just does not add up.

Seriously dude. Grab the box of aluminum foil and make yourself a hat.

MFC has a number of tiers for token packages, the top level being the 7575 package for $599.99 with 10 purchases per day and 200,000 tokens storage. That package works out to $0.0792 cents per token. The next tier down is the 3775 max token package with 9 purchases per day and 100,000 tokens storage. That package works out to $0.0794 cents per token. Although it says 10/day you still get issues when trying to buy that many tokens in a short period of time with the higher packages.

If something shading was going, why would they use the same prem account to tip huge amounts daily and attract unwanted attention to themselves?

It could be definetely stolen credit cards.
Figure that: A stolen credit card can't be used offline in a shop, because of signature and the shop might ask for an ID card. Can*t be used at an ATM neither, because the PIN is needed.
But if you use a stolen credit card, all information needed is on the card, including the CVC. One could purchase goods on the internet, but that requires a shipping address and one needs to resell the goods to get the cash.
Where as if one buys tks, the collaborating model or studio gets the tks, minus the MFC cut. That amounts to ~ 40%, but considered that the cut one looses reselling stolen goods, it is still good. Plus no shipping address needed. And: while when buying tks one is asked, for a zip code of the card owner.

Most Credit Card companies often require verification of the last 4 digits to make sure the number printed on the card matches the magnetic strip, they also started doing the billing zipcode. These were to prevent people from using white cards and writing whatever info to the strip. Alot of the scams have since moved on to using debit cards and withdrawing the money. But those scams work by getting people's cc info and cameras to get pins etc or just altered card swipers when they're out shopping in the USA........They also goto directly to ATM's and put a slim card reader over the existing ATM one, let it run for a hours and remove them. From what i know russian mobs are known for those scams in the US not romanians. So not sure where or how you think they can get hold of so many cc numbers...

With the wide spread use of pre-paid cards there's a number of scams being run with those.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_t ... html#crime

If you actually take time to read the US department of state site for people thinking of traveling to Romania you'll see the "Credit Card" scams are actually run locally over there against tourists visiting. They warn you against using your credit card at bars, restaurants, and strip clubs. Its best to use cash over there like the locals do. They often bill you tons of extra drinks and other things......

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/ ... to-Romania

Thats a recent article..... For those that don't think they would look into something going on on a bigger scale....... Authorities constantly look into Romania.......And that was merely $50,000....

 

[Sevrin]

I can see MFC being used to launder money, specifically to repatriate contraband funds to EE, but that has nothing to do with stolen credit cards. Take a whale like PB555, and the complaints we are seeing here are about whales and not anonymous offline tippers. He's been around for a very long time. Action would have been taken by the banks and CC companies long ago if he were using stolen CCs.

There are very wealthy people in this world, some of whom attained wealth through luck or underhanded dealings, who are willing and even eager to use their money to impress people and to prove that they are worthy of respect. And I'm not talking about the admiration merely of the camgirls, but of the world in general. I work in the needletrade, and my business is full of people like that. It's almost pathological in some cases.

 

[Change4change]

First of all, let me just say that I love this forum and love Amber for creating it.

Second, since this is a Miss MFC thread I want to go off from the high tippers thing for a second. I'm sure it's not good etiquette to call out models on here, but I don't really care. So, anyway, the other night the model who is currently #3 (she moved up again!) and was #6 at the time, let's call her "BF" was in a true private for eight hours. That's right, I said eight. Eight straight. Today she was in for three straight hours of a true private. I have no idea what it means. Could it be a ridiculously loyal fan, sure, but for eight hours? Were they playing a major game of monopoly, followed by watching The Deer Hunter together, followed by taking a practice bar exam? I'm leaning toward it being something a little more fishy than that. Anyway, I think it stinks and I don't like it at all, especially if this chick climbs to #1.

I think the original purpose of the thread was to vent that there should be an even playing field, but in reality there isn't one, which is too bad, because I think models, who work hard like Amber and others get screwed.

That's all I got.

 

[galactic6]

Were they playing a major game of monopoly, followed by watching The Deer Hunter together, followed by taking a practice bar exam?

I can see Monopoly and a practice bar exam. But The Deer Hunter? That's just too much for MFC!

I can't see getting too riled up about how some models go about getting their nickels and criminal enterprises using MFC as a money laundering scheme. Just watch you're favorite model(s), be nice, tip what you can, promote them when appropriate, etc. If you don't like what's happening in a models room, leave and find somebody else.

 

[RufffRider]

it is amazing how much paranoia MFC can create, never under-estimate this. I can't say how many times i have heard rumors of stolen credit cards and money laundering. Neither stand up to logic. MFC would be shutdown if they allowed stole credit cards, and they would have to repay. There are many cheaper ways to launder money also. I think most Europeans and other Non-Americans don't understand how much money the upper crust Americans make, so they invent ideas of where the money comes from. As a model i think your attitude should be that the people in your room could give you more money, if they had a reason to.. and the reasons are as numerous as there are people in the world.

 

[Sevrin]

there should be an even playing field, but in reality there isn't one

There should be an even playing field between a baby born in Bangladesh and one born in Beverly Hills, but there isn't one there either. All we can do is the best we can and we should not be surprised that some people have more comfortable, and not necessarily happier lives than others through no merit of their own. The sooner we recognize that, the happier we ourselves will be.