"meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKERS!"

[bodisha]

None of the women who's room's I frequent were on this morning, so I started poking around rooms I've never been in before... I stumbled into one room, with an American girl, and wound up looking at her profile... It turns out she was running one of those "Meet me & my friends" raffle... and in the lil pic on her profile promoting her raffle, it states clearly "Drinks Sex Partying... all on us!"... Now I've been on mfc around 3 years, and in that entire time, I think I remember one other raffle that stated sex was included

Even when a "Meet me" raffle clearly states sex is not included, I have a pretty hard time believing they ever occur... I don't think I've ever heard a single member state they've won a "meet me" raffle, and then actually met the model.... never seen evidence like pictures of a model & member on a "date"... heard stories about what a model & member did on a "Meet me' date raffle... or any other evidence that a date might happen.... other than a lot of guys tip in hopes of meeting a cam model

Even out of a few models I know that have had "Meet Me" raffles... I've never heard of a member actually meeting them... One model say's the winner started becoming unruly with his demands as they were trying to schedule it, so it never happened... One model has run back-to-back "Meet me" raffles over the last couple months and no one has yet to met her... and I knew of a 3rd model that I was told claimed she met with the winner... but a couple guys out of her room told me the circumstances surrounding the raffle were pretty shady with how it occurred... and they doubted her story... So when it comes to raffles of this nature it's safe to say I'm very skeptical... And I pretty much view them as a sure fire way to sucker a bunch of tokens out of members... When I read this specific models profile claimed sex was included, I think my neighbors heard the "HA!" I let out

So I guess I'm sort of confused about this whole "Meet me" raffles business... Girls... who here has held a "Meet me" raffle? Have any of you actually met the winner? If you held one and didn't met the winner... Why not? Guys... have you ever entered a "Meet me" raffle, and won? Have you met the model? If not... Why not? Ever personally know a winner?

And does anyone believe a model would actually include sex into a raffle winning? While I was in her room a member asked "Is there a way to guarantee a winning ticket?".... Which she reply "10,000 tokens"... I personally think if a model was willing to include sex with a raffle to raise money... they'd just go the quick & easy route and post an ad someplace instead of holding a raffle

Maybe it's me, but moments like this really baffle me about MFC, and makes me realize how weird it can really be at times..... thoughts?

 

[hornygods]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I briefly skipped over your post since it was a little too long about the same thing, but I think the motive behind it is simply to get more money. It's an appreciated sentiment that not all models do camming 'just for the money', but you have to realise that some still do. I consider the 'meet me and fuck me' models to be in that category. I don't believe that they would think about the long-term consequences of what they're doing, hence why they don't realise that it's probably a bad idea.

There's no reason for a model to fulfill a 'meet me and have sex' request once the tokens has been sent and received. The way the system works is that when the tokens are given, they cannot and will not be returned to the customer because they're considered gifts. It seems to be an exploit on that system.

I consider it not only deceptive, but foolish on the model's part for thinking that it'll work. It only makes the model look bad - nothing more really.

 

[BBW_SammiSins]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I've never held a 'meet me' raffle, but I have one going on now for Spring break. I am married and he's okay with it, and will know where I am and he's okay with it. I don't promise sex, and it clearly states that. I'd imagine that some of the other girls DO lie about letting you meet them and are just in it for the money, but then again there probably are some other models, like myself who aren't lieing and are actually looking forward to meeting some of their fans/friends on here.

As far as knowing a model that actually met up with one of her fans, I saw on a profile about a 'Meet me/sex raffle' and then further down, it shows a video link of her previous winner and her having sex. So ya never really know.

 

[dustinxxxizzle]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I've never seen a raffle personally, but I know of a pretty popular model that has on her profile that a weekend date with her is 20,000 tokens! I've always assumed that just entailed going out for dinner, the cinema, etc., and can't imagine much else would occur. $2,000 is a lot of money, but with all the crazy tips going around, I'm surprised there aren't more stories about these dates.

 

[AmberCutie]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I just found a profile today that has something like 66,000 tokens for a meet up or something. It's just fascinating to see how different girls go about camming and have such varying views on what's ok and what's not ok to do.

Edit to add: It says 66,666 to spend a weekend with her. Wowza.

 

[hornygods]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I just found a profile today that has something like 66,000 tokens for a meet up or something. It's just fascinating to see how different girls go about camming and have such varying views on what's ok and what's not ok to do.

It's the nature of cam modelling - there's no universal standard of acceptability. Its about what the model is comfortable with.

I don't see it as an issue, but I do try and make sure the model understands what kind of risks the model is putting herself into - usually in the form of a link to here (of course, in a passive manner e.g. 'Hey, I've found some interesting advice on a reputable forum - would you like to check it out? Here's a link to a useful thread: -link to ACF thread-' as opposed to 'Here's the dangers of meeting people: -link to ACF thread-'). I do wonder how many people actually send the tips, and how many actually get to meet the model.

It does depend on who's doing the meet-up. I wouldn't do it myself (as a patron, even if I had the money), but I wouldn't stop a model from doing it if she chose to, as long as she's not in harm's way. It's the biggest issue though, knowing the nature of MFC members. It would take a very trusted MFC friend to really consider it.

EDIT - Yep. The high price puts off a majority of the deranged perverts. It's only going to be rich deranged perverts that'll offer the model the tokens.

 

[LaceyRoyce]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Even out of a few models I know that have had "Meet Me" raffles... I've never heard of a member actually meeting them...

In repsonse to the idea that you've never seen a meet raffle actually happen I'd just like to say I've run a meet raffle successfully. I can provide references if ya'll would like to pm the guy or mfc mail him. (the members name is Lollis_sub. He flew to meet me in Idaho and I actually ended up shooting a video with him. It was a nic safe situation as I was there staying with another model. There was no sex involved (nor was the shoot promised.. it just happened to work out well).

When I was in vegas at the camgirl mansion many many of the girls had run meet in vegas raffles. All of them went on their dates and had a great time, except one that i'm aware of whose date did not arrive?
I didn't run a 'date' raffle as such but raffled off my tickets and although one winner cancelled, Icefield (another who will probaly not mind a nice mfc mail to confirm) came and it was a great time. We hung out in the hot tub, he showed me his violet wand and got to watch me receive a flogging from a professional dominatrix. There were multiple girls on this forum that can back me up on this.

It happens.

As to actual fuck raffles, I cannot say.... as I don't do them.

 

[AmberCutie]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I just found a profile today that has something like 66,000 tokens for a meet up or something. It's just fascinating to see how different girls go about camming and have such varying views on what's ok and what's not ok to do.

It's the nature of cam modelling - there's no universal standard of acceptability. Its about what the model is comfortable with.

I don't see it as an issue...

I suppose the only issue really created on MFC is due to camscore being highly effected by stuff like this. It creates a bit of an unfair advantage to girls who are getting paid for in-person shows via MFC tokens. But I suppose that's the allure. Big token influx without having to spend those extra hours online and getting better traffic on the homepage due to it.

 

[hornygods]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Ah, good point.

I'm not sure how much it affects things though, given that these levels of exposure don't last - and the likelihood of a transaction actually happening is incredibly low. If the model has indeed been deceptive, then it puts her in a negative light as the word spreads like wildfire in the lounge (reminds me of highschool gossip). If the model has followed through with it, then she may receive considerable amounts of unwanted attention for hookups, so it won't be a strong advantage.

I do realise that one of the problems is the page placement, but that gets rectified quickly as the score would plummet if she doesn't quickly pick up speed with her tips as a result of this short-term exposure.

I think that's part of the competitive nature of MFC. If a model finds her own niche (without having to put hours into it), then she can be successful. I think this aspect of MFC is good because it encourages innovation, but meet-ups aren't as great because of the associated risk of it.

 

[AmberCutie]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I think this aspect of MFC is good because it encourages innovation...

And I suppose that is both the best and worst thing about it. If you've got some creative innovations, you're successful. But if you don't, and just stick to the basics of being a cam girl (chatting, naked/private/group shows, maybe some pictures) then you kinda get left in the dust unless your basic cam shows are spectacular.

 

[hornygods]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Yeah, that's one of the things about a free-market. If innovation becomes an unwritten rule, then it just becomes tougher for everyone else should we assume that it becomes an expectation. In a way, it's already happened - the innovative styles are the different kinds of interaction members and models are able to have. It's not too much of a problem because every model is capable of doing it, and the entire site benefits because it attracts more new members.

It's very rare to have things like hookups as a form of innovation simply because most models would never feel comfortable doing it, and its unlikely to work smoothly unless extremely carefully planned. Its rarity makes it a negligible factor when we consider the variables for camscores - we rarely hear of a model jumping in camscore because of a date payment.

The things like raffles for videos/skype/content and such yields a much greater net income than the much rarer 'date' raffle/payment.

EDIT - put in more stuff in para 1

 

[SoTxBob]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

"Meet me & my friends" raffle... and in the lil pic on her profile promoting her raffle, it states clearly "Drinks Sex Partying... all on us!"...
"Is there a way to guarantee a winning ticket?".... Which she reply "10,000 tokens"... t

Mmmm BB !! whatsis her name? I wanna play !! :lol: :icon-twisted:

I just found a profile today that has something like 66,000 tokens for a meet up or something. It's just fascinating to see how different girls go about camming and have such varying views on what's ok and what's not ok to do.
Edit to add: It says 66,666 to spend a weekend with her. Wowza.

Actually, for a weekend with a 'decent' escort, it works out to about the same.. this token price I'd imagine was for the 'evil 6's' BS. I'd also step out on a limb and say if a person were to offer this girl 2500-3k cash instead of the 66,666/$3333.30 she'd snap it up with little hesitation, if indeed she was serious and the whole thing isn't a scam. In my first year here, it seemed like there were quite a few camgirl/escorts on mfc. At least the percentages were more frequent from what I saw compared to now days. As said on the thread.. "its the nature of the beast, there's no universal standard of acceptability." Not all camgirls are honest, some are scammers, and some will/do sell sex.

 

[sweetiebatman]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I'm very dubious about these kind of raffles and whilst im sure there are instances as people have mentioned on here where they have worked for me there are far to many potential pitfalls for both models and Premiums

I've seen some incredibly shady raffles on MFC throughout my time. most have ended in accusations of rigging or at best not being all it seems. I seem to remember an English model got absolutely slaughtered for implying sex on a date raffle

Its the old adage of "If something is too good to be true, It probably is"

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I have no doubt some camgirls can or would escort - and meeting a member from a camsite has zero difference from meeting a guy from craigslist or wherever escorts advertise online. Not saying it's safe - just that girls do it all the time.

I've always been skeptical about some meet-me raffles - most specifically the all expenses paid ones, I find them too good to be true, and as Bodisha said I've yet to hear a single thing from a member who's actually won one to confirm it's legit. The way raffles on MFC work (or worse, highest tip contests) it's all too easy to simply rake in huge tips for a couple months then at the end draw a dummy ticket stuck to the inside of the bowl/hat or have her/her bf's premium account tip very slightly more than the previous high tip in the last hour of the competition.

I would trust girls on ACF to follow through on "date" raffles - ie meet up, have dinner or something and part - most likely with a guy friend a couple tables away etc.

I would also be more likely to think a sex raffle was legit if the model specified that travel and accomodation costs were the responsibility of the winner etc. An eastern european model is going to fly me there and back from anywhere in the world? really? Is she aware that from Australia that's probly a 3-4k round trip - probably not aware because there's no intention of letting a member win.

Anyway, I'm not an enterer of date raffles - at least partly because I'm 10,000km away from most models

 

[JoleneBrody]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

In the line of what Jup pointed was saying, IF a model was also an escort honestly doing it via MFC raffles is pretty genius!
She can make a lot more off escorting by ding it as a raffle via MFC even though the end result is really the same, sex with a strange man in exchange for money. It's the oldest profession around and though it's not my cup of tea I have no judgement. Unless they are lying and cheating the raffle, then I'll judge away! :lol:
The down side is that it is illegal and could get MFC in a fair amount of trouble. There in lies my problem. If MFC gets shut down by law due to allowing escort services to be paid through them that would be very bad for 1,000's of girls using the site as it is intended. The trick around this obviously is the "meet me" raffle that clearly states no sex. I AM NOT SAYING THAT EVERY DATE RAFFLE SECRETLY HAS SEX! Just that I'm sure that a hand full of them do.
I don't really know what I'm going on and on about other than that I think for an escort to run her business through MFC is genius but for MFC and all of us, is dangerous.

 

[hornygods]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

It's all about incentive. On craigslist, good escorts get good reviews, which makes it easier for more escorting, and the people there usually have the means to pay and such. The same cannot be said about the MFC clientele. There's no incentive to fulfill the promise, and there's every incentive to not - which makes it not only risky to the model, but to the member too (financially).

On a slightly tangential note - I don't think I could follow through with a date raffle even if I won it. MFC is, and should remain a fantasy - it keeps everyone comfortable and safe, but still satisfied. I think meeting up would not only kill the fantasy, but kill the nature of the relationship too - it's difficult to see each other in the same light. It would be, admittedly, a fulfilling experience to meet up, but I don't think I could do it on a personal level. It would be too awkward too - especially when I've seen the girl's sexual side - which kills off any sexual mystique that would have been there if truly dating.

Overall, I don't think it's a great idea to have sex/date raffles, or one-off purchases. It's too unnecessarily risky, uncomfortable/awkward, and hurts the site as a whole. I can't stop someone from doing it, but I would advise them that its not the best idea in the world.

@Jolene - It sounds good in theory, but MFC raffles for sex is still rather dangerous. It puts the model's identity at risk too.

 

[LacieLaPlante]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I would trust girls on ACF to follow through on "date" raffles - ie meet up, have dinner or something and part - most likely with a guy friend a couple tables away etc.

Avalynn and I are doing a double date raffle to make it a little safer. It's way to unrealistic to pay for someones accomodations - what if not many people even enter and I barely cover the costs of the trip? Where is the person from? So we're offering either an Exxxotica Pass or a $150 airline voucher, depending on where they're coming from that /could/ cover one direction of the trip.

We've already been accused of rigging the raffle and it's months from the drawing, so I'm not sure we could do anything to make skeptical members feel happy. I suppose you just have to trust the model and know that even if you put in a million tickets you might not win.

Wasn't there a model, Katty_4_U or something who did a date raffle and kinda mentioned "letting you ride her at night"? Anyone ever hear of the results of those raffles? Or Mila's thailand raffles, I know she did many. I don't doubt Mila nor do I spend much time in her room, but did anyone ever make it out there? Dates like that just seem so crazy. Thailand would be the most expensive flight!

 

[Shaun__]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I do not remember her name, but I saw a model raffling a chance to star in a porno with her last year. She said you could have your face blurred if you had to, but that she would prefer not to.

 

[sweetiebatman]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Yeh Katty_4_U was the English model I was referring to Lacie, The info on her profile certainly said that and then it was swiftly removed when she ended up in a twitter war of words with some other models :lol:

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Wasn't there a model, Katty_4_U or something who did a date raffle and kinda mentioned "letting you ride her at night"? Anyone ever hear of the results of those raffles? Or Mila's thailand raffles, I know she did many. I don't doubt Mila nor do I spend much time in her room, but did anyone ever make it out there? Dates like that just seem so crazy. Thailand would be the most expensive flight!

I heard some shenanigans about mila's date raffles - one being that the same member won each time (confirmed), the other being that (it was claimed) that he was her fuckbuddy or something already and living in thailand and just sniped the highest tip at the end (it was over 200,000). I dunno, but that's what people were saying.

 

[ScarlettLeigh]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

While I have no problem whatsoever with women escorting or being paid for sex I do think you should go through an escort agency if that is what you want to do. Jolene makes an excellent point about how horrible it would be for so many of us models, should MFC get in trouble for such things.

On a side note I do not think that just because there are no pictures of said date with a member does not mean it never happened.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

It's the nature of cam modelling - there's no universal standard of acceptability. Its about what the model is comfortable with.

I don't see it as an issue.

I think Amber was just expressing the fact that she was surprised to see a cam girl offering this, especially when many of us talk about how 'working from the comfort of our own home' is one of the benefits of camming.

I have to admit that I was very surprised a while back to see that a model was doing a "Fuck me raffle" (that is exactly how it was worded). I'm not sure if she meant the winner would get to fuck her in person, or if she meant the winner could fuck her via Skype (a dildo show). I'm assuming she meant the winner could fuck her in person.

 

[LailaBaise]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Wasn't there a model, Katty_4_U or something who did a date raffle and kinda mentioned "letting you ride her at night"? Anyone ever hear of the results of those raffles? Or Mila's thailand raffles, I know she did many. I don't doubt Mila nor do I spend much time in her room, but did anyone ever make it out there? Dates like that just seem so crazy. Thailand would be the most expensive flight!

I heard some shenanigans about mila's date raffles - one being that the same member won each time (confirmed), the other being that (it was claimed) that he was her fuckbuddy or something already and living in thailand and just sniped the highest tip at the end (it was over 200,000). I dunno, but that's what people were saying.

I don't know about the other cases but I don't remember the 'fly a cam girl to Thailand for G/G fun' raffle ever coming to fruition. I remember Devon Alexis won it. Not sure if their schedules were skewed or what, but you would have thought the winner would have chosen another model perhaps who was able to go.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

I do not remember her name, but I saw a model raffling a chance to star in a porno with her last year. .

I think it was DevonAlexis.

 

[hornygods]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

Please don't cut the ellipsis out >.<. It was shortened for clarity, but it changes the context slightly if you put it like that. Here's the original post:

I just found a profile today that has something like 66,000 tokens for a meet up or something. It's just fascinating to see how different girls go about camming and have such varying views on what's ok and what's not ok to do.

It's the nature of cam modelling - there's no universal standard of acceptability. Its about what the model is comfortable with.

I don't see it as an issue, but I do try and make sure the model understands what kind of risks the model is putting herself into - usually in the form of a link to here (of course, in a passive manner e.g. 'Hey, I've found some interesting advice on a reputable forum - would you like to check it out? Here's a link to a useful thread: -link to ACF thread-' as opposed to 'Here's the dangers of meeting people: -link to ACF thread-'). I do wonder how many people actually send the tips, and how many actually get to meet the model.

It does depend on who's doing the meet-up. I wouldn't do it myself (as a patron, even if I had the money), but I wouldn't stop a model from doing it if she chose to, as long as she's not in harm's way. It's the biggest issue though, knowing the nature of MFC members. It would take a very trusted MFC friend to really consider it.

EDIT - Yep. The high price puts off a majority of the deranged perverts. It's only going to be rich deranged perverts that'll offer the model the tokens.

Yeah, I do understand that Amber's a little surprised at how widely a fellow cam-model's acceptable boundaries could differ. I didn't intend to come across as undermining it or anything - I was just explaining my personal views. It does irk me when I see models offering it, but I don't think telling the model about it would really help either. Or maybe not, since it depends on how its expressed. I'm not too sure, I'll have to have a little think about it first.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

but I don't think telling the model about it would really help either.

You're probably right.


With some models, no matter how many times you try to give them a friendly warning/suggestion about something (not accepting PayPal, not announcing the full name of her new baby boy in public chat, etc.), they are still gonna go ahead and do what they wanna do.

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

AriannaSinn (I think that's her cam name, her porn name is certainly Arianna Sinn) had or has on her profile that personal meetings can be discussed or something.

On a side note I do not think that just because there are no pictures of said date with a member does not mean it never happened.

technically you're correct, but if it was legit - don't you think such a photo would be an easy and free way to instantly increase credibility for any future raffles? Not to mention 95% of members would probably want at least a pic of themselves with their arm around the model as a memento.

I can accept that not all would provide photos. I can't accept that there are NO photos of these raffle winners, how fishily and conveniently suspicious.

 

[Nordling]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

The highest flat price for a "meet me date" I've seen was for 77,777 tokens (in a single tip). The offer remains on that model's profile and has been for about a year. As far as I know, she's had no takers. She also specifies that there would be NO sex involved; just an "on the town" thing.

 

[Vanessa Jade]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

On a side note I do not think that just because there are no pictures of said date with a member does not mean it never happened.

I agree. Saying that, in my mind, is akin to saying that because you don't have any pictures of you at a strip club, you never went there. A myriad things are possible reasons why there are no pictures, the most likely being that the winner of the raffle didn't want pictures taken. You have to think that most of the people who have the money to enter some of these really expensive contests or pay a flat-out price to meet a model, probably also have jobs that pay them that kind of money - and a lot of those jobs aren't ones where you really need pics of you with a webcam model, escort, porn star, or stripper floating 'round the intertubes.

In other words, I'm fairly certain that a portion of this stuff is legit aboveboard stuff, but some of it is likely a rip-off as well.

And I wouldn't trust much of the "meet me and have sex" stuff to be honest. Meet me? Yes, possibly legit. Meet me and fuck? No, probably a scam.

 

[Jupiter551]

Re: "meet me & have sex" raffles... otherwise know as "SUCKE

In all seriousness though, why would a member pay this kind of money to travel to some distant location to have sex with a camgirl (if it's not a scam in the first place), when if theyre interested in paying for sex they could take their pick of escorts for a fraction of the price.

There are escorts more attractive than many models who charge less for an hour of sex than a member pays for an hour in private.

Like this chick for example - $220hr for sex, $300/hr for anal (keeping in mind for an hour private a member around $290 at 8c/token)
BTW I'm not saying guys should go to see escorts instead of going pvt on a cam site, I'm just pointing out that if they're looking to pay for sex, there are better options than date raffles. I suspect a number of escorts cam in their spare time anyway...