Looking at a tipper's junk on cam - thoughts?

[Deleted member 37064]

hormone shifts and hormone treatment man-- yes- and variances in the brain, yes but man- that thread would be exhausting..haha

its easier if you take genitals out of the equation and just remember the brain is the largest sexual organ in the body- but given that most of us don't have fMRI built into our eyes (thatd be awesome) we have to categorize it by genitals and self sexual identification.

I've always looked at gender as being strictly physical, and not of emotional or orientation. Reason for viewing it as such is because there are significant physiological differences between men and women when it comes to medical conditions and treatment. For example, heart attack symptoms can be different between men and women. Or, abdominal pain for many different reasons. Also, typically, males are stronger than females.

Thus why I think cross dressing, and gender changes creates many more complications than what most wouldn't even consider. Please note, this doesn't mean I disagree with them. Just stating it strictly from a medical/scientific perspective is all.

 

[opphs]

I have an undergrad degree in a brain science, according to current research men are most definitely more visual and women more auditory
(women have more rods and cones in their eyes tho and see and interpret color better- so that's kinda neat)
what saffronburke mentioned - that she is very visual is an interesting wrinkle in it however- especially given her sexual orientation. Brain differences in those that self identify as homosexual can have interesting and conflicting fMRI results compared to those that self identify as heterosexual. Those differences become even MORE conflicting in those that are transgender.

Trying hard to avoid confirmation bias and/or mansplaining to someone with the relevant knowledge but some questions remain if you're willing to indulge my ignorance/curiosity.

So the differences are biological in the sense that they show up in these experiments. Ok, but considering the plasticity of the brain as well as your observation that it's the largest sex organ, doesn't that open up a whole new can of worms? I'm just kinda unconvinced (sorry!) by the changelessness/inevitability implied by the term "biological." Like, if we had a time machine and were able to take current tech into those matriarchal, obsessed-with-male-beauty societies mentioned in the passage I quoted, would the results be the same? Also isn't 20 a really small sample size?

Feel free to school me if I'm wrong.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Trying hard to avoid confirmation bias and/or mansplaining to someone with the relevant knowledge but some questions remain if you're willing to indulge my ignorance/curiosity.

So the differences are biological in the sense that they show up in these experiments. Ok, but considering the plasticity of the brain as well as your observation that it's the largest sex organ, doesn't that open up a whole new can of worms? I'm just kinda unconvinced (sorry!) by the changelessness/inevitability implied by the term "biological." Like, if we had a time machine and were able to take current tech into those matriarchal, obsessed-with-male-beauty societies mentioned in the passage I quoted, would the results be the same? Also isn't 20 a really small sample size?

Feel free to school me if I'm wrong.

You are right 20 is a small sample size (but MRI are a pretty expensive piece of equipment to tie up.).

However, there are many other experiments going back to the days of Kinsey in the 40s and Masters & Johnson in the 60s and 70s where research observed the huge difference in the reaction of males and females to visual erotic. You can even go back to the porn from the ancient Romans and Greece which was aimed at men.

One of the most interesting recent studies is A Billion Wicked Thoughts: What the Internet Tells Us About Sexual Relationships. The authors two neuro-scientist analyzed nearly a billion porn searches from Google, Pornhub and others from across the world and found some big differences between men and women, far more than cultural differences.
Woman account for 20-25% of the traffic on porn sites (but only 5-10% of the spending). This ratio is pretty constant across genres with a few exceptions.
Porn focus on a specific body part, boobs, butts, pussy, dicks, feet, hands is even more heavily males oriented. It turns out that hetrosexual guys are almost as interested in seeing big dicks as homosexual guys, and the biggest consumers of Shemale porn is CIS guys. The one huge outlier is erotic fiction and audio porn, which is the complete opposite more than 75% or readers of erotic fiction are women.
We are more than our biology, which is why most of us don't kill people who upset us, or run away when we get frightening. But attempting to change behavior when we are biologically wired is really hard.

 

[SophiaSophia]

Trying hard to avoid confirmation bias and/or mansplaining to someone with the relevant knowledge but some questions remain if you're willing to indulge my ignorance/curiosity.

So the differences are biological in the sense that they show up in these experiments. Ok, but considering the plasticity of the brain as well as your observation that it's the largest sex organ, doesn't that open up a whole new can of worms? I'm just kinda unconvinced (sorry!) by the changelessness/inevitability implied by the term "biological." Like, if we had a time machine and were able to take current tech into those matriarchal, obsessed-with-male-beauty societies mentioned in the passage I quoted, would the results be the same? Also isn't 20 a really small sample size?

Feel free to school me if I'm wrong.

20 is a very small sample size! but there are literally dozens (perhaps hundreds?) of other studies validating it and it goes beyond sex - but brain plasticity is a VERY excellent point! to go back- time machine speaking i think you'll find there are numerous social norms and even laws! that reference the female body and some for men- you'll also find plenty of romance novels as well as erotica for women in the victorian age. Do I think it is the end all be all? brain differences? no, but it helps explain quite a bit. Is there a societal slant towards "good girls" and "bad boys" ? yup- but if you look you'll references to "good boys" and "bad girls" as well, it all depends on what pond you swim in.

 

[SaffronBurke]

It turns out that hetrosexual guys are almost as interested in seeing big dicks as homosexual guys

Things like this support my theory that sending dick pics stems from an obsession with dicks, rather than wanting to turn the receiver on. The most common question I get when turning down a man because I'm gay is, "but don't you need something stiff sometimes". No, because I have this thing called a clitoris and a penis is not required to stimulate it. There is a (fortunately, small) percentage of men who are just a little too obsessed with their own dicks, and think that "my dick is the best dick ever! Everyone wants to see, touch, and fuck it!" and these are the unsolicited dick pic senders.

Then you have the normal dudes who only send a dick pic when it's requested because who just sends their junk to strangers? How rude! These guys may like their penis just as much as the ones I previously described, however, they aren't obsessed with the things, and they have enough awareness to realize that unsolicited dick pics are not ok.

 

[Ms_Gingersnatch]

I think @SophiaSophia and @opphs might both be right, just talking about arousal (getting hard/wet) vs sexual attraction (determining that you'd like to fuck someone), respectively.

I think it's probably a fallacy that men are hardwired to be attracted to looks, while women are hardwired to be attracted to other things. Attraction is incredibly complicated and probably rooted in both biological factors and "nurture" factors like social conditioning, life experiences, and personal values. Sexual attraction is kind of like having foods you like - it depends on your nutritional needs, the evolutionary drive to seek out calorie dense foods, how you were raised, things you have and haven't tasted, even your religious beliefs. I still have never tried anchovies on pizza because the TMNT told me it wasn't good, lol! So yeah, I think social conditioning plays a huge role in the "men mostly care about looks, but women don't care so much about men's appearance" thing.

Arousal is a much more physical process, so it would make sense if there's more biological hardwiring involved. There can be all sorts of reasons for why you like certain foods and eat certain foods, but salivation, stomach noises, and hunger signals are pretty reliably triggered by seeing or smelling food when you're hungry(ish). Your senses detect the impending presence of food, so your body gets ready to eat. Same with arousal - your senses tell you that there's impending sexy stuff, so you get engorged, fluids start doing their thing, your breathing changes, etc. If there are pretty standard, sensory triggers for physical arousal, it wouldn't surprise me if men, on average, have a biological propensity to be more responsive than women to visual cues. (I have some thoughts about why, but I'll come back to that later...)

 

[snowwolf87]

So what's the consensus of models sending unsolicited videos? I'll tip "just because" or for a count or a game or something and will get all kinds of links for videos. I don't want videos. I'll tell the model I don't want videos and, sometimes, she'll continue to send them. How is this different from unsolicited dick pics?

It just happened again. I tipped a model 100 tokens, put "Just because" in the tip note and she immediately fired off a video. I'm gonna have to start putting "Don't want a video" in with the "Just because" note.

 

[SophiaSophia]

It just happened again. I tipped a model 100 tokens, put "Just because" in the tip note and she immediately fired off a video. I'm gonna have to start putting "Don't want a video" in with the "Just because" note.

please feel free to send me a 100 tokens and not have me send a video - I mean, if it would make you feel better

 

[snowwolf87]

please feel free to send me a 100 tokens and not have me send a video - I mean, if it would make you feel better

Actually, it did make me feel better.

 

[SophiaSophia]

Actually, it did make me feel better.

OMG! thank you!

I was joking but thank you so much!!

 

[snowwolf87]

OMG! thank you!

I was joking but thank you so much!!

Ha! I knew you were joking, but it's so much fun to surprise people. I'm still laughing!

 

[SophiaSophia]

Ha! I knew you were joking, but it's so much fun to surprise people. I'm still laughing!

its almost a shame I wasn't on cam because I thought..really?! and checked and went OMG! haha

 

[SophiaSophia]

that was very generous of you, thank you

 

[snowwolf87]

its almost a shame I wasn't on cam because I thought..really?! and checked and went OMG! haha

Mission accomplished.

that was very generous of you, thank you

You are very welcome. Actually, most of my tipping is because it makes me happy. This is exactly one of those occasions. You've helped make my day a little brighter.

 

[SophiaSophia]

Mission accomplished.



You are very welcome. Actually, most of my tipping is because it makes me happy. This is exactly one of those occasions. You've helped make my day a little brighter.

awesome! glad to have facilitated then

 

[SophiaSophia]

Mission accomplished.



You are very welcome. Actually, most of my tipping is because it makes me happy. This is exactly one of those occasions. You've helped make my day a little brighter.

and thank you again- I literally "squee-d" a lot..haha

 

[jolietjake]

hormone shifts and hormone treatment man-- yes- and variances in the brain, yes but man- that thread would be exhausting..haha

its easier if you take genitals out of the equation and just remember the brain is the largest sexual organ in the body- but given that most of us don't have fMRI built into our eyes (thatd be awesome) we have to categorize it by genitals and self sexual identification.

I can speak personally to the hormone question. I underwent treatment for prostate cancer three years ago. Part of that treatment was taking an antiandrogen (testosterone blocker). While the radiation therapy I also had greatly effected my sexual function, neither it nor the antiandrogen had an effect on sexual desire. That was the same. The reason I know it was the radiation that effected my sexual function was that it wasn't effected when I started taking the antiandrogen (which happened before the radiation). Neither seemed to effect my brain in terms of what turns me on and how much.

 

[opphs]

One of the most interesting recent studies is A Billion Wicked Thoughts: What the Internet Tells Us About Sexual Relationships. The authors two neuro-scientist analyzed nearly a billion porn searches from Google, Pornhub and others from across the world and found some big differences between men and women, far more than cultural differences.
Woman account for 20-25% of the traffic on porn sites (but only 5-10% of the spending). This ratio is pretty constant across genres with a few exceptions.

I've read it. I'm a sucker for anything of the sort, which feels good to admit out loud.

Its arguments are super flawed.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

I've read it. I'm a sucker for anything of the sort, which feels good to admit out loud.

Its arguments are super flawed.

I've read criticism of the book, and they mostly seem be the same as Andrew Ladd.

Well, sorry, but I don’t buy it. Partly, I’ll admit, it’s because I find distasteful the suggestion that all men are simple-minded, sex-obsessed assholes, and only women are capable of complex, emotional thought. Partly it’s because I’m suspicious of any research with this many logical leaps that also coincidentally supports hundreds of years of Western cultural stereotypes.

I don't like the findings, therefore I reject them. Followed by it upholds conventional wisdom so it must be wrong. Which frankly completely baffles me just due to its arrogance "billions of people over thousands of year believe X, they are all wrong"

I'd also point out he is factually wrong when Andrew claims only 30% of the population have access to the internet, it is actually over 50% due to the explosion of mobile phones in developing countries.

At the end of day, if you want to believe a blogger from an obscure literary magazine who spent a couple of hours making a blog post, versus two guy with Ph.D. in neuroscience, who spent years writing and researching a book, be my guest.

 

[CorinneCooper]

The brain by far is the biggest sexual organ, followed closely by skin. Skin to skin contact, not including genitals, lights up more neuro pathways than sex.

 

[Hypatia]

... The authors two neuro-scientist analyzed nearly a billion porn searches from Google, Pornhub and others from across the world and found some big differences between men and women

Maybe I'm being lazy, not reading the study yet, but, from the perspective of having spent 40 years analyzing social science data -- how in the world did they know the gender of searchers?!

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Maybe I'm being lazy, not reading the study yet, but, from the perspective of having spent 40 years analyzing social science data -- how in the world did they know the gender of searchers?!

Because pretty much everything you do on the internet is tracked by somebody. Google knows not only your gender but has a good idea of your income, buying history, where you travel. They can also make inference on political views etc. This is especially true if you use Gmail, Google maps, etc. But even without Google most of the internet ad networks have basic demographic information about you and that information is shared in aggregate with websites.
Meaning that won't know "Hyatia" your real name, and your exact street address. But they will know you are 60-69 year old male, probably your zipcode, and likely what website you visit.

 

[Lintilla]

Because pretty much everything you do on the internet is tracked by somebody. Google knows not only your gender but has a good idea of your income, buying history, where you travel. They can also make inference on political views etc. This is especially true if you use Gmail, Google maps, etc. But even without Google most of the internet ad networks have basic demographic information about you and that information is shared in aggregate with websites.
Meaning that won't know "Hyatia" your real name, and your exact street address. But they will know you are 60-69 year old male, probably your zipcode, and likely what website you visit.

The inferences can often be wrong... I didn't answer any gender questions when signing up for Gmail, and http://www.google.com/settings/ads/ has in the past been pretty sure I was male (click that link and if you're logged into Google you'll see what you've either told them or they've assumed). My main accounts all say "unknown" now. Maybe they don't want to guess anymore? There's obviously a margin of error there, larger for some things than others, and so I wonder sometimes how accurate some of the stats are. But as far as age, gender, income... at some point many (most?) people will have explicitly given that information and more to an ad/tracking network, and no inferences are necessary, they're watching you everywhere you go. Any site you're giving info to but not paying is probably making money sharing your personal details... 'If you are not paying for it, you're not the customer; you're the product being sold' and all that.

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

You are right, they aren't perfect. But for the book they would have ignored your searches. On the other hand, Google has my age and sex correct and a laundry list of correct interests. Even the porn sites have gotten smarter. A decade ago I use to get ads for gay porn, I never get them anymore.

 

[Hypatia]

... But even without Google most of the internet ad networks have basic demographic information about you and that information is shared in aggregate with websites.
Meaning that won't know "Hyatia" your real name, and your exact street address. But they will know you are 60-69 year old male, probably your zipcode, and likely what website you visit.

Well, like I said, I spent 40 years doing data analysis (probably how you guessed my age but you got the gender wrong!) So many variables (like multiple searches per: household computer, with multiple users & perhaps cats stomping around the keyboard). Not to mention processing power. For instance, at the IRS it takes *days* of processing on mainframes to get a few very simple sums. So reading about analysis of "billions" of searches, I'm quite skeptical. But, to the issue at hand, I'm personally of the opinion that men & women aren't that different, but society makes them so (heck, in the womb, everyone starts out as female, I've heard!)

 

[AudriTwo]

(heck, in the womb, everyone starts out as female, I've heard!)

no this is false. sex is determined by the zygote which takes place before fertilization.

 

[Hypatia]

no this is false. sex is determined by the zygote which takes place before fertilization.

Whoops! Thanks for the correction (biology is NOT my thing!) Quick wiki lookup -- "Females have two X chromosomes, and males have a Y chromosome and an X chromosome. At an early stage in embryonic development, both sexes possess equivalent internal structures"

Guess something like early stage "equivalent internal structures" is what struck me. Still don't think men/women are that much different.

 

[SophiaSophia]

Whoops! Thanks for the correction (biology is NOT my thing!) Quick wiki lookup -- "Females have two X chromosomes, and males have a Y chromosome and an X chromosome. At an early stage in embryonic development, both sexes possess equivalent internal structures"

Guess something like early stage "equivalent internal structures" is what struck me. Still don't think men/women are that much different.

There is an interesting side note here.
Your genitals are complete before brain structures (not development for either) are. One is incredibly more complex than the other-guess which one has more variables and "mistakes" and doesn't always match what's going on on the outside?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Well, like I said, I spent 40 years doing data analysis (probably how you guessed my age but you got the gender wrong!) So many variables (like multiple searches per: household computer, with multiple users & perhaps cats stomping around the keyboard). Not to mention processing power. For instance, at the IRS it takes *days* of processing on mainframes to get a few very simple sums. So reading about analysis of "billions" of searches, I'm quite skeptical. But, to the issue at hand, I'm personally of the opinion that men & women aren't that different, but society makes them so (heck, in the womb, everyone starts out as female, I've heard!)

Shared computers are fairly rare nowadays, plus most people sign into an account at some point when they are browsing the web. It seems (not surprisingly) that IRS has some of oldest computer systems in government (56 years) I spent much of my career doing computer benchmarking, and nowadays analyzing a billion things is nothing. You figure a single server, is between one million to one hundred million times faster than an old IRS mainframe. Considered that Google, Amazon, Facebook each have more than million servers and even Pornhub probably has tens of thousands analysis a billion search is something that can be done very easily by academic researchers.

 

[xDollPartsx]

In more recent studies it's been shown that (and I may be wrong in the exact ratio but I recall it being pretty close) 1 in 4 people actually have more than just two (XX or XY) quite a few people have three and in some cases it's been documented up to five chromosomes. Just figured I would throw that in as I found it very interesting...carry on.