Inspired by some recent events

[CrazyCatLady]

I don't disagree with this necessarily but I do feel that when and how and to whom a cam girl complains about not making their goals or whatever their grievance at the time is, is kind of important. If Coca Cola complained on Twitter that they sold less Coke in February than they did in January despite working just as hard throughout both months, I don't think the end result would be people buying more Coke. And of course being a cam girl is harder than being a member. But given that cam girls are (hopefully) being paid to be there and members aren't, it really shouldn't be any other way, ya know?

Of course. I agree completely. I'm not complaining about the work or how hard it is...just more so asking for members to be understanding at times that this is hard work. I hear so many comments about "just sit around and have tokens thrown at you" or "just get online and have fun". When it is so much more than that.

I am thankful every day to be able to do this. Every. Single. Day. I never complain to members but when questioned on why I'm logging out after the show or why I took a day off I want room ability to be honest...just like every other human being without someone throwing passive agressive comments at me...ya know?

PS for me personally I don't complain about not making goals. If things are slow I try very hard to stick around. The only time I log off is if more than 15 minutes passes without someone talking in my room. I have never complained on Twitter or anything like that.

I can deal with low tokens but when no one even talks I occasionally will whine to my friends about it via kik or something but they whine to me about their lives to so it's only fair. Haha.

 

[AmberCutie]

You irritate me. Why are you even on this forum to begin with, since you seem to disagree and 'shit' all over everything we (read: us cam girls) say?

Also, that was rhetorical. Please keep your nonsensical answer to yourself.

I am definitely fed up with the over-misuse of the "bad troll attempt" poop ratings by @nathanielfromessex so consider this an official warning that if it keeps up, banhammer will fall.

 

[nathanielfromessex]

You can just ban me now, all good. People were following me around and shitting on my posts so I thought it was normal. Post ratings are clearly super serious business and personal attacks are no biggie.

 

[AmberCutie]

You can just ban me now, all good. People were following me around and shitting on my posts so I thought it was normal. Post ratings are clearly super serious business and personal attacks are no biggie.

You're right, I will go ahead and do that.


I've given a couple of warnings, mostly consisting of polite requests to behave differently. I don't believe anything will help, so we'll just move on now. I've been bitten in the past by giving trolls too much wiggle room, too much confidence, too many chances. So done with that.

To address the comment about post ratings being taken too seriously: I don't think that's the problem here. The problem is that it was incredibly misused and used in that sense too much. It skews things when posts are rated negatively just because someone disagrees. The poops are meant to be saved for absolute ridiculousness, pointless inflammatory posts, and obvious trolls. People were rightly using them on Nathaniel as it was clear he was only here to rub everyone's fur the wrong way, to scratch the belly of the angry cats, if you will. The posts he was rating as such were merely not to his liking. That is misuse.

 

[Ambers Troll]

There are a few other types of work where disrespect is common, they are usually physical, messy, and those who do it are under constant time pressure (time really is money, you must be efficient). They look effortless when others see you do it and are easy to instruct on but very challenging to perform.

You start your day with a plan and try to execute it as best you can, but others will determine how much work you do and when the work will come at you. You are at constant threat of others disrupting you, you get requests for things that are outside of your role or that others can do themselves. Others will cross your path and disrupt your work, just because they can. Your skills at prioritization are amazing because at times you are flooded with work, with others demanding to be satisfied right now. You learn to multitask well because most times no one will arrive to help you.

The people who do these kinds of work actually enjoy it. All the challenges make it exciting, interesting, and the end results can be really satisfying.

Camming seems much like one of these kinds of professions?

 

[yummybrownfox]

I am definitely fed up with the over-misuse of the "bad troll attempt" poop ratings by @nathanielfromessex so consider this an official warning that if it keeps up, banhammer will fall.

That got on my nerves too, and I was like wtf...is this dude seriously that butthurt just because people disagree with him? Smh.

 

[anaemouse]

Eh.

You do realize that the majority of military service members join the military with no education and no training. Yet everyone seems to hold service members in high regard. That seems like a really stupid reason to infer that someone is not deserving of respect when you literally have to have more knowledge to become a cam girl than to join the military. Lol.

Uhhh... maybe for people who enlist. Did you know that not everyone in the military just 'joined'? Have you ever heard of the Citadel or the Naval Academy? Those are both places where people go to train and receive an education (like engineering and science). The Naval Academy has like a 7% acceptance rate. It's one of the hardest schools to get into in the US, putting it right up there with Harvard. Not only do you need extremely strong SAT/ACT scores, but you need leadership experience and a nomination from a senator or representative.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Uhhh... maybe for people who enlist. Did you know that not everyone in the military just 'joined'? Have you ever heard of the Citadel or the Naval Academy? Those are both places where people go to train and receive an education (like engineering and science). The Naval Academy has like a 7% acceptance rate. It's one of the hardest schools to get into in the US, putting it right up there with Harvard. Not only do you need extremely strong SAT/ACT scores, but you need leadership experience and a nomination from a senator or representative.

Lol. Yes. I know more about the military than you can probably imagine. For personal security reasons I won't elaborate.

I stated that to get into the military you don't need experience or an education. We aren't talking about selection or any other special military schools/branches or programs.

Not looking for a fight or argument. It was a tongue in cheek comment. One that really can't be argued anyways...because factually speaking you don't need experience or education to join the military. A comment that was made simply to debunk the thought process of "I can't respect anyone who does a job that requires no experience or education." Which is absurd. Many hard jobs are ones that people start with no experience or education.

 

[Empress Mika]

I get what you're saying overall I think but this line cracked me up. I don't think being a camgirl makes one deserving of respect. Certainly doesn't make one worthy of disrespect or negative judgement but most people aren't going to look at camgirls and see a job worthy of lots of respect. Fireman, doctors, nurses and jobs like that seem deserving of respect.

Unfortunately, I feel as though I encounter a lot more people then I'd like to with a similar view. Not only do we not deserve respect but our job is also "easy". I've even heard members say that they wish they were female so they can also make such easy money and how nice it would be to cam! At times, I have to reflect and remind myself that so many people just literally don't understand our job. To a lot of people, it seems as though we "just" sit in front of a camera, hang out, play games and "have fun"... some don't even consider this to be a "real" job. Not all of the people that think of our job these ways are horrible ass holes but rather just ignorant. I know that many of my regulars that I got to know over my time as a cam girl have literally been absolutely *shocked* by the amount of work that goes into what I do with camming. I don't think there would be many cam girls that disagree with @AmberCutie's fantastic OP.

So, of course, I agree that respect should be given as a default to everyone (provided they aren't hurting any living thing).. but also, I would like to inspire others to research and become knowledgeable about a topic (like cam girls) before any conclusive, judgement takes place.

 

[pg240]

I seriously doubt that men can even begin to understand the fear that women experience when it comes to stalking -- or for that matter even the daily revulsion and dread they experience from our incessant ogling and invasions of privacy. I worked at a TV station, and the female reporters and anchors had to put up with the most disgusting behavior from seemingly normal men. And behavior beyond even that from obviously not normal men. They had to be escorted to their cars after dark and some didn't even like going out in public at all. Others, of course, enjoyed the attention. I suspect there's an underlying sense of danger that I'll just never experience as a male.

 

[bud9752]

before ones first job no one has any experience - one gets experience at a job
until one has been trained - one is a student

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Unfortunately, I feel as though I encounter a lot more people then I'd like to with a similar view. Not only do we not deserve respect but our job is also "easy". I've even heard members say that they wish they were female so they can also make such easy money and how nice it would be to cam! At times, I have to reflect and remind myself that so many people just literally don't understand our job. To a lot of people, it seems as though we "just" sit in front of a camera, hang out, play games and "have fun"... some don't even consider this to be a "real" job. Not all of the people that think of our job these ways are horrible ass holes but rather just ignorant. I know that many of my regulars that I got to know over my time as a cam girl have literally been absolutely *shocked* by the amount of work that goes into what I do with camming. I don't think there would be many cam girls that disagree with @AmberCutie's fantastic OP.

So, of course, I agree that respect should be given as a default to everyone (provided they aren't hurting any living thing).. but also, I would like to inspire others to research and become knowledgeable about a topic (like cam girls) before any conclusive, judgement takes place.

Ahh yes. The ever present "what do you do for work?" Or "what is your real job?".

Haha.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I seriously doubt that men can even begin to understand the fear that women experience when it comes to stalking -- or for that matter even the daily revulsion and dread they experience from our incessant ogling and invasions of privacy. I worked at a TV station, and the female reporters and anchors had to put up with the most disgusting behavior from seemingly normal men. And behavior beyond even that from obviously not normal men. They had to be escorted to their cars after dark and some didn't even like going out in public at all. Others, of course, enjoyed the attention. I suspect there's an underlying sense of danger that I'll just never experience as a male.

I do wish that more men would learn how to behave appropriately when approaching a woman for her phone number. It's uncomfortable witnessing a female passenger on a bus being pestered by some guy who wants her number (she was way nicer about it than I would've been) and won't leave her alone. You find yourself hoping, for her sake, that the creep will be getting off the bus soon...and hoping that they're not getting off at the same stop.

And Oprah was spot on in that conversation (I think the topic was 'How women can avoid becoming victims') where she spoke about how women have always been taught to "be nice." God, that's so true. We're taught to always be nice, and to be a lady and whatnot. Then there are people who treat that niceness like it's an invitation to stay in our face bothering us.

I make sure I'm not volunteering a bunch of personal info about myself to guys making unwanted advances. Questions like "So do you live around here?" and "Where do you work?" don't need to be given detailed responses, just for the sake of "being nice" and being polite.

 

[MFCGod]

I do wish that more men would learn

I worry that some people can't learn

I don't think men generally have as high of an emotional or social IQ as women

Some seem genuinely oblivious that how they're acting is disconcerting for the recipient of their attention

I think it's one of those things that if by a certain age you don't get it, you never will

ps. This isn't to excuse their behaviour

 

[subgavin]

I seriously doubt that men can even begin to understand the fear that women experience when it comes to stalking -- or for that matter even the daily revulsion and dread they experience from our incessant ogling and invasions of privacy. I worked at a TV station, and the female reporters and anchors had to put up with the most disgusting behavior from seemingly normal men. And behavior beyond even that from obviously not normal men. They had to be escorted to their cars after dark and some didn't even like going out in public at all. Others, of course, enjoyed the attention. I suspect there's an underlying sense of danger that I'll just never experience as a male.

I heard a little story one time about a guy working as a stuntman, who at some point had to double for an attractive actress (they must have been short of stuntwomen who could do the job). So he's dressed up in her clothes with a wig and what-have-you, such that - when seem from behind - he apparently looked sufficiently like the real thing to start attracting certain ... unwanted attentions. After a few such advances he gets annoyed, and says to the actress for whom he was standing in - "do you have to put up with this all day?"

This was presented as though it were an amusing anecdote. But it really isn't.