Influx of Russian studios slowly converting Chaturbate to private onlys site

[jjnewyork]

Hi All,
I've been a cam fan for a long time, started many many years back on camcontacts , ifriends, streammates travelled a bunch, met some host girls, all nice people, it was very clear it was studios, and on CC you weren't gonna see anything unless you paid for private.
. In recent couple years i been checking out chaturbate much more sparingly, as it is not so much a "chat" site as it is an action site. Camcontacts had one thing going for it, if the hosts misbehaved or ignored chats there would be consequences, you could write to support, and get your money back and the host might be blocked or kicked off for a while.

I think even a simple web search describes it as sexy shows in free chat and I'd say for 2 years or so, its been that way.
Since New Years Im noticing more of a pattern and its more russian studio type hosts, they're doing nothing in free chat, trying to lure you only to private, (not even luring, its in the bio description as one i noticed today), and further they are doing multi sites, even if you start tipping they dont see your words and they've got these mods who control everything.
My understanding is "mods" are fans/members who pay a monthly fee to get this priviledge to moderate the chat for the girls. MY OPINION, this just enables these studios to not be responsible and ignor the chats.

Does anybody know of any enforcement by chaturbate of any such chat rules or if any rules exsist? Minimum purchase is $10 USD, so every 10 tokens is $1.

To conclude my overall point is this behavior and its mostly russian studios is killing my interest in CB. They are getting away with ignoring tippers in free and to me thats just plain wrong. I could see if you're not tipping, but if you are they should be trying to acknowledge, ESPECIALLY if they're "NOT" performing..or doing any action.

My question is "is there enforcement" on CB or the hosts and mods just do what they want ? OR are there other sites where there's this casual free chat action, but YET consequences if they ignor the chat (other than camcontacts) ?

To me its killing my interest in CB..

 

[AmberCutie]

Title is a bit melodramatic. There are tens of thousands of streamers on CB to watch, if you just avoid the rooms of models that stick strictly to luring people into private, you will still have the same experience you desire.

My question is "is there enforcement" on CB or the hosts and mods just do what they want ?

It would be incredibly stupid for CB to require performers to do certain things while they're streaming. If they ever implemented such a thing (which they won't because they aren't stupid enough to change their entire business model) they would lose the greater portion of their performers to other sites that allow total freedom.

 

[Smoothie]

Hi All,
I've been a cam fan for a long time, started many many years back on camcontacts , ifriends, streammates travelled a bunch, met some host girls, all nice people, it was very clear it was studios, and on CC you weren't gonna see anything unless you paid for private.
. In recent couple years i been checking out chaturbate much more sparingly, as it is not so much a "chat" site as it is an action site. Camcontacts had one thing going for it, if the hosts misbehaved or ignored chats there would be consequences, you could write to support, and get your money back and the host might be blocked or kicked off for a while.

I think even a simple web search describes it as sexy shows in free chat and I'd say for 2 years or so, its been that way.
Since New Years Im noticing more of a pattern and its more russian studio type hosts, they're doing nothing in free chat, trying to lure you only to private, (not even luring, its in the bio description as one i noticed today), and further they are doing multi sites, even if you start tipping they dont see your words and they've got these mods who control everything.
My understanding is "mods" are fans/members who pay a monthly fee to get this priviledge to moderate the chat for the girls. MY OPINION, this just enables these studios to not be responsible and ignor the chats.

Does anybody know of any enforcement by chaturbate of any such chat rules or if any rules exsist? Minimum purchase is $10 USD, so every 10 tokens is $1.

To conclude my overall point is this behavior and its mostly russian studios is killing my interest in CB. They are getting away with ignoring tippers in free and to me thats just plain wrong. I could see if you're not tipping, but if you are they should be trying to acknowledge, ESPECIALLY if they're "NOT" performing..or doing any action.

My question is "is there enforcement" on CB or the hosts and mods just do what they want ? OR are there other sites where there's this casual free chat action, but YET consequences if they ignor the chat (other than camcontacts) ?

To me its killing my interest in CB..

The bottom line is the model can run the room however they wish, and the member is free to stay (and play by the rules) or leave.

Nobody is obligated to chat with anyone. Most models will acknowledge a tipper, but again, there is no minimum required level of gratitude or interaction.

For any website to enforce something as vague and subjective as a model not chatting enough is a real, real slippery slope.

There are thousands of cam models. If you look around, I’m sure you’ll find a room where the model is plenty talkative, as long as you’re being cool in the chat and not being pushy/needy/high maintenance.

 

[InAweOfCB]

LOL - "Melodramatic" doesn't even come near to what this OP is.


It is simply nowhere near to accurate that "Chaturbate" is comprised of "Mostly Russian studios".



The OP is completely out to lunch in his perceptions, and 90+ % of the Chaturbate performers are completely free to do as inspired.

 

[Lintilla]

OP, maybe you should go private? But it sounds like you're expecting to see that private action for just a few small tips here and there, and... you're getting what you paid for--the bare minimum.

 

[anabeauty37]

Like others said u can move fast to another girl room wich might be exactly the style you like . no. noone force them to talk . if they ignore the room might work for some, The top earnings model on cb is russian and she never say hi bye or fuck off to anyone ever

 

[AudriTwo]

man the entitlement from op. lol. my eyes rolled so hard while reading they popped out of my head and are now covered in dog hair.

 

[jjnewyork]

thankks for the responses , didnt understand the last one that says op. whats an op?

by the way, this site is basically uncensored and not owned by CB right?

I disagree with most of what you wrote as my first post lists several sites all have rules about ignoring chat, it not ok to ignor chat on those sites , my opinion the mixing of tips in free chat is that is no longer free chat if you are tip and therefore you're entitled to service and rules.

So i guess nobody has other sites they prefer for what im talking about ?
tnx all

 

[NotYou]

Hi All,
I've been a cam fan for a long time, started many many years back on camcontacts , ifriends, streammates travelled a bunch, met some host girls, all nice people, it was very clear it was studios, and on CC you weren't gonna see anything unless you paid for private.
. In recent couple years i been checking out chaturbate much more sparingly, as it is not so much a "chat" site as it is an action site. Camcontacts had one thing going for it, if the hosts misbehaved or ignored chats there would be consequences, you could write to support, and get your money back and the host might be blocked or kicked off for a while.

I think even a simple web search describes it as sexy shows in free chat and I'd say for 2 years or so, its been that way.
Since New Years Im noticing more of a pattern and its more russian studio type hosts, they're doing nothing in free chat, trying to lure you only to private, (not even luring, its in the bio description as one i noticed today), and further they are doing multi sites, even if you start tipping they dont see your words and they've got these mods who control everything.
My understanding is "mods" are fans/members who pay a monthly fee to get this priviledge to moderate the chat for the girls. MY OPINION, this just enables these studios to not be responsible and ignor the chats.

Does anybody know of any enforcement by chaturbate of any such chat rules or if any rules exsist? Minimum purchase is $10 USD, so every 10 tokens is $1.

To conclude my overall point is this behavior and its mostly russian studios is killing my interest in CB. They are getting away with ignoring tippers in free and to me thats just plain wrong. I could see if you're not tipping, but if you are they should be trying to acknowledge, ESPECIALLY if they're "NOT" performing..or doing any action.

My question is "is there enforcement" on CB or the hosts and mods just do what they want ? OR are there other sites where there's this casual free chat action, but YET consequences if they ignor the chat (other than camcontacts) ?

To me its killing my interest in CB..

People don't HAVE to do anything in public except sit there and listen to music if they want, as mentioned it's up to you to stay or leave under these circumstances.
I have voiced my opinion regarding being in private shows and [any] model/s still streaming on other sites, and worse if they are ignoring you in the show - regardless of private show price. So I do feel your frustration on this.

Just to clarify, 1 token for a model, regardless of how many you buy is worth $0.05 (5 cents) to a model. If they are in a studio, half that.
This is why they are on multiple sites at once trying to get as many tips from Site B, C and D while they are doing a private show on Site A, etc.

Simply put, avoid these rooms. If a room looks like this is happening (you know warning signs for things like this by now, surely), then simply leave and don't look back. Maybe even try non-Russian rooms? There are many other rooms, but you will find this kind of problem across ANY studio model, or i would say the majority at least. I have found a decent handful who are genuinely nice and do turn off other sites (because they respect the fact people have worked for their money to spend on them). My experience though these are "older" (30+) women, so it depends if you have an age range you are seeking.

One thing you do also need to consider, and I am contradicting myself a bit with the fact about me not liking them broadcasting a private show on one site to other/s, is they are having to try and juggle a lot between multiple sites, some sites are probably much better at giving them an income than others, so they have a "main" site, so they focus their attention on this one.

 

[jjnewyork]

Tnx Brett. i really just popped to ask if anybody noticed any other sites, modern day. I understand all about studios and met many bosses in my travels years ago, and met probably 100 girls overseas traveeliong to their cities.
Its bascially "bad for business" to ignor people who are throwing a dollar at you. Besides being rude, its not good business.

They can't get away with ignoring people other the sites i mentioned at the top, and i'll jasmin to that list. once money is going they can't ignor you. If they do and you complain you get your money back and the studio gets punished.
What we say in new york "white trash" girls, yes sure they will ignor 50 cents or 1 dollar, but they won't last long. Smart girls know enough that 1 dollar can lead to much more.
Chaturbate who is owned by a porno company, its no secret who owns it, apparently has no rules.
Its a shame that CB has gone downhill since New Years, maybe its just winter time in russia, i dont know but the "allure" of CB is the constant action, if they wanna convert it to privates only, then they should ban shows in free chat, my opinion.

 

[AmberCutie]

thankks for the responses , didnt understand the last one that says op. whats an op?

OP = original poster/original post = you. Welcome to a forum on the Internet.

by the way, this site is basically uncensored and not owned by CB right?

Not owned or influenced by CB, I am the owner/administrator/moderator, and I'm the one who replied to your first post (the OP) saying you're being melodramatic. I have no reason to support CB in this, it's just an honest opinion that you're far reaching here.

I disagree with most of what you wrote as my first post lists several sites all have rules about ignoring chat, it not ok to ignor chat on those sites , my opinion the mixing of tips in free chat is that is no longer free chat if you are tip and therefore you're entitled to service and rules.

FREE chat means you can see the model without entering a paid venue. It is FREE to stare at her as she stares at your tip. It is up to her/him whether they reply to tips. It isn't great business practice to ignore tips, but its their choice. But it's also your choice to just leave if they ignore ya. It's amazing how that works!


Other sites that police how their broadcasters operate their rooms are few and far between. And they are NOT spoken highly of among us actual models. Only models that are comfortable with having a "boss" stay on those sites. More independent and freedom-seeking models do NOT want to be governed on how they run their room on cam sites. So have fun going to the sites that dictate how their models operate. Know they aren't experiencing the best that the cam model world has to offer, and might even be uncomfortable/unhappy with their job there.... but keep supporting the idea they should have to live within parameters.

 

[Diana_Devil]

Tnx Brett. i really just popped to ask if anybody noticed any other sites, modern day. I understand all about studios and met many bosses in my travels years ago, and met probably 100 girls overseas traveeliong to their cities.
Its bascially "bad for business" to ignor people who are throwing a dollar at you. Besides being rude, its not good business.

They can't get away with ignoring people other the sites i mentioned at the top, and i'll jasmin to that list. once money is going they can't ignor you. If they do and you complain you get your money back and the studio gets punished.
What we say in new york "white trash" girls, yes sure they will ignor 50 cents or 1 dollar, but they won't last long. Smart girls know enough that 1 dollar can lead to much more.
Chaturbate who is owned by a porno company, its no secret who owns it, apparently has no rules.
Its a shame that CB has gone downhill since New Years, maybe its just winter time in russia, i dont know but the "allure" of CB is the constant action, if they wanna convert it to privates only, then they should ban shows in free chat, my opinion.

WHEN YOU GO IN ANY LIVE CHATURBATE ROOM YOU GET FIRST THIS MESSAGE :


Rules: No spamming. Do not insist the cam hosts to do as you please. Do not announce other rooms or websites that would conflict with this room. Avoid any argumentative and/or rude posts related to the cam viewing. Do not attempt to post your e-mail address in the public chat.
To go to next room, press CTRL+/. To send a tip, press CTRL+S or type "/tip 25". To disable emoticons or adjust autocomplete settings, click the 'Gear' tab above.


WHICH says as you can also see : DO NOT INSIST THE CAM HOST TO DO AS YOU PLEASE.


If you do not like that then change the site ! thank you!
The cam model has the obligation to do something only if you tipped according to her tip menu , or if she agrees upon to do something . If not you tip if you like and she does what she please!


Thank you for understanding and have a nice day!

 

[Marceline]

Camcontacts had one thing going for it, if the hosts misbehaved or ignored chats there would be consequences, you could write to support, and get your money back and the host might be blocked or kicked off for a while.

My question is "is there enforcement" on CB or the hosts and mods just do what they want ? OR are there other sites where there's this casual free chat action, but YET consequences if they ignor the chat (other than camcontacts) ?

Reflect on this a moment. Do you honestly think that if a model ignores a 10 token tip then they should be punished by either being temporarily banned or kicked off the site and losing out on income that may be essential for them to survive? That is possibly one of the most entitled things I've ever seen a member say in the almost four years I've been in this industry.

Cam models are not slaves, coin operated toys or dancing monkeys. There's cam models who enter this industry because of the freedom it grants them, and so that they can be their own boss and make their own rules in their rooms (while obviously obeying the site's TOS, which is usually dictated by actual laws and credit card processor's rules, not the site trying to act like tyrants who think of their models as slaves). And there's also cam models who enter this industry out of financial necessity. Why should any of those models, and all the models in between, be punished because you didn't like the way they reacted, or didn't react, to a couple tokens? Is it the best business model? For the majority of people, probably not. Although, for some models the "ignore model" works extremely well. Still, you're not entitled to anyone's attention or to any sort of specific actions. Especially when it was not agreed upon beforehand.

Like, do you also think that if you send a request with a 10 token tip for the model to do anal or pretty much anything that isn't explicitly listed on their tip menu, that they should immediately bend over and take it in the butt because "iM enTitLed tO iT bEcaUse I tiPpeD"?

 

[jjnewyork]

Its interesting to me the defending everybodys doing about CB. I guess i wasnt expecting that. Likely here are more cam models that actual users/fans like myself.
Seems like there are more "models" here than users/fans.

CB is not the highest grossing site according to current statistics, I dont expect it will be as popular with the new trend of hosts since new years and unfortunately the good hosts will suffer because people like me will stop visiting the site.

Anyway, thanks nobody seems to have any alternate site suggestions, i was just curious if any fans/users like me had noticed the same problem im noticing since new years and given up on CB like im doing.
I wish you all the best, if you notice a decline in viewers on CB, just maybe i was the first one to point out here the reality, the site has gone downhill.

 

[Billyboy]

Hi jjnewyork (OP)
I frequent the rooms of many models on CB, and 6 closely. These 6 are all in studios including Russia. I don't see this happening myself.

Models are doing one of the following:

• Responding to the tips they receive that correspond to their tip menu.
• If they have lovesense or domi, they react according to the size of the tip, duration and intensity.
• If they have a goal, then they count down to that and every tip in public chat goes towards that goal.

As a result, there are many rooms that will basically put on a free show for those not tipping, at everyone else's expense.

The other thing is that if they are broadcasting to multiple sites, it will look they are doing things without being tipped. So while it may seem they are performing for nothing, they are not likely to be showing things for free when it is on their tip menu or goal.

Where it can get confusing is when there is a tipping frenzy, especially where roll the dice etc... are involved. The poor model can't keep up with every prize, and basically keeps the show going to keep people happy. Most members tipping understand this and are happy to keep up the show. What I see a lot of, is that people who haven't tipped complain that the model missed a prize, and didn't touch her toes or stand on her head. I rarely see the person making the tip complain.

Minimum purchase is $10 USD, so every 10 tokens is $1.

On CB I don't see where the option is to buy 10 tokens for US$10.

I just topped up and most expensive option for me was via PayPal (pay a premium), which I don't use.
100 tokens for $12.13 USD, so just over US$0.12 per token.

As everybody else has said, if you don't like the Russian rooms, or any other region, you can filter that region out, or go to some other room. Or log off completely.

Cheers,
Bill

 

[Diana_Devil]

OP you make us going nuts members and models alike on this forum !!!

buy yourself an plastic doll man and pretend with her she is your chaturbate model in your own livingroom . she cam make whatever you like you know , depend of how much expensive you will buy it .

 

[curious68]

I'm picking up mixed messages here.

If a model has a tip menu, is she obliged to perform what is on that menu when tipped the price, under chaturbate conditions?
Seems to be some of you saying they don't have to, but could be considered bad form.

A friend reported a model a while back for not doing the spinning wheel prizes for weeks (and from watching her yesterday I can see she still doesn't) but was only told to report her to the broadcaster. The broadcaster I guess is the studio, who appear to have a standard format of menu in their models bios, which are also ignored

 

[jjnewyork]

Hi All,
I've been a cam fan for a long time, started many many years back on camcontacts , ifriends, streammates travelled a bunch, met some host girls, all nice people, it was very clear it was studios, and on CC you weren't gonna see anything unless you paid for private.
. In recent couple years i been checking out chaturbate much more sparingly, as it is not so much a "chat" site as it is an action site. Camcontacts had one thing going for it, if the hosts misbehaved or ignored chats there would be consequences, you could write to support, and get your money back and the host might be blocked or kicked off for a while.

I think even a simple web search describes it as sexy shows in free chat and I'd say for 2 years or so, its been that way.
Since New Years Im noticing more of a pattern and its more russian studio type hosts, they're doing nothing in free chat, trying to lure you only to private, (not even luring, its in the bio description as one i noticed today), and further they are doing multi sites, even if you start tipping they dont see your words and they've got these mods who control everything.
My understanding is "mods" are fans/members who pay a monthly fee to get this priviledge to moderate the chat for the girls. MY OPINION, this just enables these studios to not be responsible and ignor the chats.

Does anybody know of any enforcement by chaturbate of any such chat rules or if any rules exsist? Minimum purchase is $10 USD, so every 10 tokens is $1.

To conclude my overall point is this behavior and its mostly russian studios is killing my interest in CB. They are getting away with ignoring tippers in free and to me thats just plain wrong. I could see if you're not tipping, but if you are they should be trying to acknowledge, ESPECIALLY if they're "NOT" performing..or doing any action.

My question is "is there enforcement" on CB or the hosts and mods just do what they want ? OR are there other sites where there's this casual free chat action, but YET consequences if they ignor the chat (other than camcontacts) ?

To me its killing my interest in CB..

in usa 10 dollars gets 100 tokens....either nobody here is from usa or understands my english.. or i wrote something i didnt explain clear enough....
my experience which none here have accurately commented on....is my experience. All the best looking hosts have been leaving Chaturbate because it's a bad site... the site is poorly managed.. all you got now is Fat and ugly girls left. all the good hosts are gone....week by week since january. chaturbate is a lousy site now...
regards to all

 

[Billyboy]

in usa 10 dollars gets 100 tokens....either nobody here is from usa or understands my english.. or i wrote something i didnt explain clear enough....
my experience which none here have accurately commented on....is my experience. All the best looking hosts I've been leaving Chaturbate because it's a bad site... the site is poorly managed.. all you got now is Fatty's left

Sorry I misread about the token price, so my fault.

However there are many beautiful women on Chaturbate from around the world, skinny, normal and cuddly. The ones that suit each taste are not hard to fund. Follow the ones you like, you are free to ignore the rest.

 

[jjnewyork]

save your money....preview the hosts on the free sites b4 you pay them on cb or anywhere...just web search host same youll find plenty. of tapes online for free..preview b4 u pay these arrogant hosts...there arent "plenty" anymore on CB...stop being a troll bill

 

[Billyboy]

I'm picking up mixed messages here.

If a model has a tip menu, is she obliged to perform what is on that menu when tipped the price, under chaturbate conditions?
Seems to be some of you saying they don't have to, but could be considered bad form.

A friend reported a model a while back for not doing the spinning wheel prizes for weeks (and from watching her yesterday I can see she still doesn't) but was only told to report her to the broadcaster. The broadcaster I guess is the studio, who appear to have a standard format of menu in their models bios, which are also ignored

I am sure it happens Curious. I bought entry to a ticket show the other day which didn't happen. I could have complained, but not worth it for 60 tokens. Just means it is a room I won't go back to.

Not sure that it is even possible to complain to a studio. I've only seen one model advertise her studio and that was on social media. And she only did it because she actually broadcasts from home.

Cheers
Bill

 

[Billyboy]

save your money....preview the hosts on the free sites b4 you pay them on cb or anywhere...just web search host same youll find plenty. of tapes online for free..preview b4 u pay these arrogant hosts...there arent "plenty" anymore on CB...stop being a troll bill

Not being a troll. I am watching a sexy Russian model right now. Roxxxy Room. She is completely naked and you would enjoy it. Most people aren't paying anything for the show.

 

[bamdicted]

in usa 10 dollars gets 100 tokens....either nobody here is from usa or understands my english.. or i wrote something i didnt explain clear enough....
my experience which none here have accurately commented on....is my experience. All the best looking hosts have been leaving Chaturbate because it's a bad site... the site is poorly managed.. all you got now is Fat and ugly girls left. all the good hosts are gone....week by week since january. chaturbate is a lousy site now...
regards to all

I think all here understand that you pay between $0.08 and $0.1 for a token depending on the package, the model or studio gets $0.05 for every token they receive.

And the reason no one apparently hasn't commented/agreed with you might be because that is not our experience. At the moment of writing there are 5.500 models live on CB, it should be possible to find one that is to your liking, and if not there is a lot of other sites to choose from.

And to help you with a couple of misconceptions, because even though you say you have a long experience on cam sites, you seem pretty ignorant.

1. Moderators on CB are not paying fans or members, those models that choose to have mods, choose them on the basis of their behavior (hopefully).
2. Yes there are probably more models on this forum than users, at least among the vocal/active numbers.
3. Models are not your personal servants.

 

[Marceline]

because people like me will stop visiting the site.

I’m sure you’ll be sorely missed.

 

[CheeseMoon]

This whole thing sounds like a textbook case of confirmation bias. I'm not sure what the OP means with "people like me", but I assume he means common cheapskates and entitled, temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
There is absolutely no lack of free and explicit shows on any of the free sites I visit. I don't even have to log in to get a Gynecology 101 with free moaning thrown in.

Maybe the sites should re-badge the "Next" button to "I'm unhappy and probably being ripped off by shady Eastern European studios. Get me out of here!"

 

[Mila_]

Influx of cheap members from private sites slowly converting Chaturbate into an entitled fuckface cesspool​

 

[bamdicted]

Word of advice to OP and similar users, adding a couple of zeros behind the 100 tokens you keep mentioning might be the answer to your problems, but be sure to have an agreement with the model before tipping her.

The best analogy for your situation I can come up with is this:

Imagine going to the local farmers market, there will be vendors you like, they have fruits and vegetables that look really good, maybe their prices a bit high for your budget, you could try getting it cheaper but you risk being ignored, and you also have to realize that they are free to decline business from any customer.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

CB is not the highest grossing site according to current statistics, I dont expect it will be as popular with the new trend of hosts since new years and unfortunately the good hosts will suffer because people like me will stop visiting the site.

I highly doubt that you have any reliable statistics about how much any cam site makes. Also trust me, models do not care about users like you. CB has also been around for a decade and is only growing in popularity, it's not going anywhere anytime soon lol.

 

[AudriTwo]

in usa 10 dollars gets 100 tokens....either nobody here is from usa or understands my english.. or i wrote something i didnt explain clear enough....
my experience which none here have accurately commented on....is my experience. All the best looking hosts have been leaving Chaturbate because it's a bad site... the site is poorly managed.. all you got now is Fat and ugly girls left. all the good hosts are gone....week by week since january. chaturbate is a lousy site now...
regards to all

And you are calling Bill a troll. If you hate chaturbate so much, stop visiting.

 

[Smoothie]

in usa 10 dollars gets 100 tokens....either nobody here is from usa or understands my english.. or i wrote something i didnt explain clear enough....
my experience which none here have accurately commented on....is my experience. All the best looking hosts have been leaving Chaturbate because it's a bad site... the site is poorly managed.. all you got now is Fat and ugly girls left. all the good hosts are gone....week by week since january. chaturbate is a lousy site now...
regards to all

I’m from the U.S. and CB charges me less than that per token.

Plenty of people have commented on your experience, sir. I think you just didn’t get the answer you were hoping for.

It’s also a bit telling that your complaint transitioned so quickly from “the models won’t talk to me” to “the models are not pretty enough” (I paraphrased, but your actual quote was somehow even worse.) Makes me wonder if the models are choosing not to acknowledge you due to your attitude. A lot of models will ignore (if not ban) a member who is being abusive or insulting, no matter how much they tip. As well they should.