How to avoid "middle man"?

[TravelingOne]

I have used cam sites many years.
Most of my favors are popular models.
So i never needed/wanted to avoid fact that cam site (middle man) takes much money from the worker.

Anyways, some years back i met model and since then I have been regular customer for her.
But she isnt popular model.

Recently i asked if she can provide same service in skype and if i can transfer her, it would be better for her to avoid middle man.
She ofc agree this but we have encounter problem.

We used western union (WU) and first small amount of money was transfered succesfully. (30USD)
But next time i tryed transfer bigger amount (170USD) and WU froze the transfer and i needed to call them and they asked questions like “do I know this person?”…”have u met this person in real life?”….”why are u sending money”.

I fucked up.
I never did transfer before and I didn’t know these companies take money frauds/scams this seriously.
So I gave all wrong (honest) answers.
I told ”some years”…..”never met her”…..”money to help her”.
After call my transfer was cancelled for security reasons and money refunded.
(Havent received money back yet, waiting)

Im here to ask help.
If anyone have experience or advices how me and her can make this work???

How to avoid getting yourself into situation where they start ask security questions???
My plan is to transfer her money regularly.

Is it some amount limit that trigger these security issues???
Better transfer 85USD twice/month rather than 170USD???
Or better just lower total amount sent and go for 150USD or lower????
And what should be reason for transfer, (gift???? commercial???)

And what are best answers to give them if/when they start ask these questions again???
Is it better tell them we are having professional or friend relationship???

And what kind of professional relationship it should be if they continue ask what business me and her have???
I heard transfer companies don’t support adult entertainment shows.
Paypal for example.
Dont know what other companies think about erotic skype shows.

Any money transfer company recommendations???
I heard ppl use giftrocket, but my model not live in usa.
Also her country don’t have paypal.
And i cant use moneygram in my country.

Also Is it worth to even try WU transfer between me and her anymore???
Anyone know for sure that my WU account has been flagged as “victim of scam” now???

And pls don’t lecture me about what me and her try do.
I know other models do this too and I wanna do it also, its my decision.
I just don’t know how transfers is possible. (yet)

pls help

 

[SaffronBurke]

Just use the camsite for payment. Doing so will boost her rank there. I can guarantee that Western Union does not approve of being used for payment for adult services. You also have to have each other's real names, which is a huge red flag that you should not be using it for this service. Finally, while not every model is going to be a scammer, scamming models DO use Western Union, which is enough for me to advise customers to avoid it.

 

[Mintx]

Tipping her on the site would help boost her ranking or place on the website, which could help her out. I don't think there is one money transfer service out there that is okay with paying for adult services. You could always also ask that she make something like an iWantClips where she keeps like 100% of her custom revenue.

 

[IsabellaSnow]

I've only used Western Union a couple of times with a member friend and it fits the purpose, but those have never really been payments and it's always been a one off larger amount. I've known him for years so do trust him, there are a few members who I feel like that with but he's the only one direct transfers has really come up with as it worked for his situation. From what I can see, western union does charge a fairly large transfer fee and has a shitty exchange rate, so do not think she is getting all of your money, though she will get more than on a camsite. But... She then doesn't benefit from a higher placement on her camsite.
Bear in mind you also tend to get a better exchange rate on larger transfers, so sending lots of small amounts isn't necessarily ideal. For what you are thinking of I would personally just tip through camsites. I think it's only really worth the hassle if you're transferring $500-$1000+ as that percentage camsites take will sting that bit more, and of course if the person you're visiting isn't really a regular cam model and doesn't care much about placement.
As you know one another's names there might be other options, but having worked in currency exchange and have dealt with compliance I will say the whole money laundering possibility would likely make this a bit of a ballache. You could probably set up a regular transfer though through a foreign exchange company or even through your bank. The only thing with that is it would come up in your bank statements so you couldn't do it "on the sly".

 

[TravelingOne]

Tipping her on the site would help boost her ranking or place on the website, which could help her out. I don't think there is one money transfer service out there that is okay with paying for adult services. You could always also ask that she make something like an iWantClips where she keeps like 100% of her custom revenue.

This is best answer so far.
I will tell her about iWantclips.

Anyone else have other helpful advices????
Regarding money transfers or sites with bigger customer revenue????

 

[TravelingOne]

Sent money via paypal to friends, no issues...

No paypal in her country unfortunatly.
But thanks letting me know it works between friends.

 

[Zoomer]

Sent money via paypal to friends, no issues...

Try buying a laptop online via Lenovo - Blocked.
Subsequently pay energy bill online? Blocked.

Funny old world eh? Probably the nature of the purchase (amount), infrequency of said purchases from customer (never via them, and who knows what nationality the payment gateway was) and the frequency of frauds for said vendor.

 

[SMuser69]

I've been using pervoutpay since it's cut is pretty much equal to WU or moneygrams (since WU and moneygram aren't free so don't assume you've cut out any middleman)

pervoutpay so far has working with my romanian, ukraine, czech models without an issue since most of them already have paycards setup to use the sites.

 

[Pure_emotion]

I have used cam sites many years.
Most of my favors are popular models.
So i never needed/wanted to avoid fact that cam site (middle man) takes much money from the worker.

Anyways, some years back i met model and since then I have been regular customer for her.
But she isnt popular model.

Recently i asked if she can provide same service in skype and if i can transfer her, it would be better for her to avoid middle man.
She ofc agree this but we have encounter problem.

We used western union (WU) and first small amount of money was transfered succesfully. (30USD)
But next time i tryed transfer bigger amount (170USD) and WU froze the transfer and i needed to call them and they asked questions like “do I know this person?”…”have u met this person in real life?”….”why are u sending money”.

I fucked up.
I never did transfer before and I didn’t know these companies take money frauds/scams this seriously.
So I gave all wrong (honest) answers.
I told ”some years”…..”never met her”…..”money to help her”.
After call my transfer was cancelled for security reasons and money refunded.
(Havent received money back yet, waiting)

Im here to ask help.
If anyone have experience or advices how me and her can make this work???

How to avoid getting yourself into situation where they start ask security questions???
My plan is to transfer her money regularly.

Is it some amount limit that trigger these security issues???
Better transfer 85USD twice/month rather than 170USD???
Or better just lower total amount sent and go for 150USD or lower????
And what should be reason for transfer, (gift???? commercial???)

And what are best answers to give them if/when they start ask these questions again???
Is it better tell them we are having professional or friend relationship???

And what kind of professional relationship it should be if they continue ask what business me and her have???
I heard transfer companies don’t support adult entertainment shows.
Paypal for example.
Dont know what other companies think about erotic skype shows.

Any money transfer company recommendations???
I heard ppl use giftrocket, but my model not live in usa.
Also her country don’t have paypal.
And i cant use moneygram in my country.

Also Is it worth to even try WU transfer between me and her anymore???
Anyone know for sure that my WU account has been flagged as “victim of scam” now???

And pls don’t lecture me about what me and her try do.
I know other models do this too and I wanna do it also, its my decision.
I just don’t know how transfers is possible. (yet)

pls help

I sent you a message,please check.

 

[Ms_Gingersnatch]

Livecammodelshows.com - model keeps 85% of the money
Cammodeldirectory.com - model keeps 75-80% of the money
Skyprivate.com - model keeps 75% of the money
Indiebill.com - model keeps 85% of the money

These sites are designed for exactly what you are doing. They won't object to the adult nature of your transaction. They keep both your identities private. It's not 100% of the money, but over the long run, it's better for both of you than possibly having your funds frozen and getting flagged for fraud or money laundering if you try to be sneaky with services that don't allow this kind of thing (which is pretty much every money transfer service that doesn't explicitly say it's for "adult" use).

 

[JickyJuly]

There are lots of sites that don't take more than their fair share of the money. Use those sites. Skip the ones that are overdoing it. When you skip the middle man, you take on all of the risk that the middle man was keeping you safe from. Don't WU. Gosh they get sooo much of your info that way. And Paypal is also not an option without risk. We talk a lot about how many members try to use offsite payment to take advantage of camgirls, but there are camgirls who will do the same. Be alert.

 

[penfold_43]

Bank transfer. Free to do where I live if the recipient has an IBAN / BIC for their account details and I can do it using online banking, sending to non IBAN countries like the USA means going into a branch and handing over a fee. Bank doesn't care why I'm sending the money unless it's over £10,000, in which case they have to make money laundering checks.

Cuts out "payment servces" and their premium charges altogether, though provides no protection for the sender from a scamming recipient that takes the money and runs.

 

[TravelingOne]

Bank transfer. Free to do where I live if the recipient has an IBAN / BIC for their account details and I can do it using online banking, sending to non IBAN countries like the USA means going into a branch and handing over a fee. Bank doesn't care why I'm sending the money unless it's over £10,000, in which case they have to make money laundering checks.

Cuts out "payment servces" and their premium charges altogether, though provides no protection for the sender from a scamming recipient that takes the money and runs.

Thanks for advice.
I sent my bank message about this.
Asking if it is possible sent money from my country to the destination country.

 

[a_haze420]

I would recommend indiebill. She gets 85% and it is sex worker friendly.

 

[Dan Epstein]

I really don't have much to add here, my colleague models summed it up pristine clear.
My advise to you is to think very carefully before you are making a bank transfer. Think about the inconvenience, exposure, and possible scrutiny you may put her through.Nobody gets to be a hero and save the day if you lead to a model being exposed to the mentioned above, in order to cut fees, or annoying middle people like myself.

 

[TravelingOne]

I really don't have much to add here, my colleague models summed it up pristine clear.
My advise to you is to think very carefully before you are making a bank transfer. Think about the inconvenience, exposure, and possible scrutiny you may put her through.Nobody gets to be a hero and save the day if you lead to a model being exposed to the mentioned above, in order to cut fees, or annoying middle people like myself.

Annoying middle ppl?
Like one guy here alrdy stated, there will always be middle man, u cant cut them out.
Banks take fees also, nothing is free.
But current "middle man" takes way too much, current middle man can watch mirror, it will tell answer why we are in this situation.

Everyones interest in this is only money.
Middle man wants money.
Ofc they say words that make them look better and sound more tempting.

(And sorry if i didnt understand your message.
My english maybe looks alright but actually there can be misunderstandings)

 

[TravelingOne]

I really don't have much to add here, my colleague models summed it up pristine clear.
My advise to you is to think very carefully before you are making a bank transfer. Think about the inconvenience, exposure, and possible scrutiny you may put her through.Nobody gets to be a hero and save the day if you lead to a model being exposed to the mentioned above, in order to cut fees, or annoying middle people like myself.

Here is choices me and her can do.
1. She goes work other site with bigger revenue. (i will inform her about good choices mentioned here)
2. We find "new middle man" so model gets more money. (money transfer company)
3. We do direct bank to bank transfer (just waiting my bank answers my message first)

 

[Dan Epstein]

If you think that money transfers on a global scale are made by agents and entities, and middlemen (like myself) that look the other way for a bigger profit, you clearly should do some homework.

 

[Zoomer]

No paypal in her country unfortunatly.
But thanks letting me know it works between friends.

Paypal works in more countries than WU... strange.
And by friends I meant "friends", nudge nudge wink wink say no more say no more... as it seems you failed to grasp that.

Bottom line, if you're paying for "services" then just pay via the site and swallow the fee involved - at least that way more and more may also contribute and outstrip whatever sums you can muster to send via bank transfer, WU, or any other method anyway.

 

[SMuser69]

Paypal works in more countries than WU... strange

This is misleading. Paypal does not offer full services in all countries it supports. Like for instance a person in Ukraine can put money into paypal and use it to purchase but they cannot receive money or transfer money out of paypal. WU offers full services in almost every country there's an office. It's like amazon prime now works in all countries however that doesn't mean they have full access the movies and services on the amazon website like a US prime member does.

This is off topic sorry.