Cropcircles

[Fay_Galore]

Yay, there isn't a thread about this yet!
The mysteries of cropcircles! what are they? where do they come from? why are they here?

There is a lot of different information out there, all contradicting each other. I have a bunch of friends who are convinced it's alien life sending us messages, and then I also have met a few of the people who make these cropcircles themselves. However, even they don't know the origin of some of the circles.
There's supposed to be a few differences in man-made circles and 'alien' circles, they way the crop is 'braided' or has rough edges.
I am personally quite skeptical, but at the same time to me it seems an arrogant assumption we are the only life form in this immense universe. But would aliens communicate with us via weird shapes on the surface of our planet? Have they tried to connect in a different way? have they connected at all? Are things being kept from us, the normal people?
Lots of questions, to me this is fascinating! (and I find the designs beautiful)

But here's a picture of me in a cropcircle (pretending to get abducted, ha ha) in Wiltshire, UK.

and here a few other pictures I took on that location

Spoiler

here's a video of a man-made crop and how they do it (very interesting).


and here's a video of... well.... I don't know

the circle seems very complicated, crop entwined in a pattern, pretty cool!

I don't know if there are strong believers here, but I hope it is needless to ask for a respectful discussion without calling each other lunatics

 

[SpencerStorm]

I watched this documentary once, on the history channel. It is not just crop circles. Apparently there is a whole subsection of history on pyramids and how they are another form of communication from the aliens. It was interesting, but I am not sure how I feel.

 

[schlmoe]

While it's possible that aliens created the crop circles/pyramids/etc., I am skeptical. I don't doubt intelligent alien life could/does exist somewhere out there. But IMO, if these lifeforms have mastered inter-galactic travel, they would have to be some sort of super-intelligent species. And if they were that super-duper intelligent, I believe they would be able to find a way communicate with us other than cryptically (crop circles, symbols on pyramids, Stonehenge, etc.). I'm not even going to delve into the fact that the supposed alien's ability to communicate has not evolved in 3000+ years (Egyptian/Mayan pyramids to present day crop circles) :twocents-02cents:

 

[SpencerStorm]

While it's possible that aliens created the crop circles/pyramids/etc., I am skeptical. I don't doubt intelligent alien life could/does exist somewhere out there. But IMO, if these lifeforms have mastered inter-galactic travel, they would have to be some sort of super-intelligent species. And if they were that super-duper intelligent, I believe they would be able to find a way communicate with us other than cryptically (crop circles, symbols on pyramids, Stonehenge, etc.). I'm not even going to delve into the fact that the supposed alien's ability to communicate has not evolved in 3000+ years (Egyptian/Mayan pyramids to present day crop circles) :twocents-02cents:

I agree...or if they are that advanced that they can travel to get to us, we probably just look like monkeys to them lol

 

[mynameisbob84]

I dunno, the romantic in me wants to believe that we're not alone, that there are intelligent life-forms out there visiting us from other plants or parallel dimensions and essentially pranking us, leaving elaborate crop circles in quaint little English towns and then getting the fuck out of there before anybody sees them, laughing maniacally at all the confusion they're causing (and maybe helping us grow technologically and passing on some spiritual guidance as soon as they're done cultivating amusing content for their equivalent of YouTube... You(FO)Tube? )

The realist in me can't help but conclude the crop circles are man-made and that if we'd been visited by aliens, there'd be concrete evidence by now. In this day and age, celebrities can't take a poo without somebody catching it on film, so you'd think somebody would have caught incontrovertible video evidence by now. I'm happy to be wrong in this instance though (providing it doesn't turn out like Independence Day).

 

[ThunderWeasel]

Maybe it's time travelers fucking with us.

 

[zippypinhead]

It's well-documented that environmental artists are responsible for crop circles. It's actually a surprisingly low-tech method, involving plywood and rope.



Personally, I think that's much cooler than the idea of aliens doing it.

 

[KylieJacobs]

Crop circles have always fascinated me. I think some of them are man-made, but others are still a mystery. It seems crazy to think that aliens don't exist when you look at how big the universe is. I'm not 100% sure that aliens have stepped on Earth's soil, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.

I love all things paranormal, and I'm a fan of the show Ancient Aliens.

 

[jeff98902]

I like the very complex ones that look like it took a small army of people to make with the help of a helicopter and some good communication with the ground crew.
I have read that these are actually created with only a few people with with lots of artistic ingenuity doing all this with some lumber and rope tied to them to press down the crop designs.
I found a good link for info about them

http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2009/06/24/120-amazing-crop-circles-work-of-devil-ufos-or-hoaxes/



I also wonder how come you only see these in Europe and not in North America, Here we have thousands of crop fields that these could be made in. If an Alien life form where truly trying to communicate with us in that visual way.

 

[zippypinhead]

I also wonder how come you only see these in Europe and not in North America, Here we have thousands of crop fields that these could be made in. If an Alien life form where truly trying to communicate with us in that visual way.

The aliens are obviously French.

 

[goldenaye666]

The truth is out there!

 

[MayaEden]

Ooohh yes a cropcircle thread yay!

I have been researching this so much lately. Honestly, from what I gathered so far, it's seems to be a fact that it cannot be man-made with the technology we currently have now. The "legit" ones, have changed the atomic structure of the planties themselves and there's odd electromagnetic activity within it.

Aliens sending us messages does make sense. Several of them depict things like the Kabalistic tree of life and other important things. If they're in a position where they can't interfere with us directly, it would be understandable to take a more mysterious approach.

I could whip up a few links if anyone wants, im sure i have something saved in my browser.
What I can suggest though is the movie "Thrive" it mentions crop circles and their possible meanings and it's a great starting point to do your own research.

Edit: also this comes from a scientific standpoint, not from a "romanticizing" as someoneone put it earlier in the thread. I don't like to believe, I like to "know". Just thought I should clarify.

 

[schlmoe]

it's seems to be a fact that it cannot be man-made with the technology we currently have now.

Uhhh...WUT? We can send a man to the moon, but we don't have the technology to flatten corn/wheat stalks???

Several of them depict things like the Kabalistic tree of life

Ahh, this makes sense. Madonna is behind the Kabbalah crop circles. We all know she's an alien! :mrgreen:

and other important things.

I apologize for repeating myself, but uhhh...WUT?

 

[eyeteach]

I admit that I hit the spoiler button in the original post simply because I hoped to see more pics of Faye_...

 

[MayaEden]

it's seems to be a fact that it cannot be man-made with the technology we currently have now.

Uhhh...WUT? We can send a man to the moon, but we don't have the technology to flatten corn/wheat stalks???

Several of them depict things like the Kabalistic tree of life

Ahh, this makes sense. Madonna is behind the Kabbalah crop circles. We all know she's an alien! :mrgreen:

and other important things.

I apologize for repeating myself, but uhhh...WUT?

Thank you for nitpicking everything I said instead of asking for clarification. Oh and thank you for ignoring the rest of what I said that you didn't bother to quote

1) Sending a man to the moon =/= changing the molecular structure of plantlife and the electromagnetic acitvity within it in a few hours

2) I'm not informed about the claims you made about madonna and I have no idea how that relates to what you quoted of me

3) "WUT" is very vague. If you want answers and intellectual discussion instead of a feeble attempt at mocking me you'll have to dig some more words for that.

 

[weirdbr]

1) Sending a man to the moon =/= changing the molecular structure of plantlife and the electromagnetic acitvity within it in a few hours

Not really.. Both require quite a bit of technology.. And to be fair, we're far beyond the tech that was used to send men to the moon (hell, even the Shuttle flew on hardware that is older and slower than my first computer I had in 1996..). So I would say that it is possible to do it.. Specially with preparation ahead of time.

With that said, do you have points to peer-reviewed/scientifically confirmed evidence that there was indeed change to the molecular structure of said plants and/or electromagnetic activity? The majority of the times, I am suspicious of things like that because at least for electromagnetic activity, there's no previous baseline measurements that can clearly demonstrate that the environment has been disturbed - you only have the 'after' measurement, so how can you say what was there before?

As much as I would like to believe that there's aliens out there trying to communicate with us to interfere with our evolution, I would expect them to act a bit more subtly than creating random crop circles and instead opt for more of an special operations approach (if you ever read the 'Culture' novels by Iain Banks, they could be compared to the 'Special Circumstances' group): slightly interfering with politics, science and culture to nudge us towards their intended end state.

And to be more specific - I do believe there's life out there simply from a mathematical point of view; whether it's intelligent/technologically advanced enough to come nag us (and with enough interest to actually do it), that's a whole different question, specially given the odds.

The mathematical argument is simple, but long. If there are for example 1 trillion stars; if on 0.1% of those there are planets that can support life, that puts us at 1 billion planets. If 0.1% of those actually have some sort of intelligent lifeforms, that puts the number at 1 million possible species. And that's exaggerating the odds quite a bit, as for example the number of planets in the 'goldilocks zone' is way more limited than that.

Then it gets more fun.. Out of all those:
- how many have gotten close to the same technological level as us but destroyed themselves due to conflict (as we've gotten awfully close a few times)?
- how may never even got close to be as advanced as us?
- how many have the same technological level as us? And how many have higher tech than us?
- And of those that are more advanced than us, how many have tech that is good enough to actually achieve communication? And visitation?
- And out of those that are advanced enough to communicate/come here, how many are stupid/brazen enough to not come up with an equivalent of the Prime Directive and/or willingly violate it?

Which leads me to believe that there is intelligent life out there; they might be watching, but quite likely they wont interfere until we get to a point where we are on a similar technical level to them and can understand/communicate with them.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I could whip up a few links if anyone wants, im sure i have something saved in my browser.

Please do, sounds hilarious.

What I can suggest though is the movie "Thrive" it mentions crop circles and their possible meanings and it's a great starting point to do your own research.

Edit: also this comes from a scientific standpoint, not from a "romanticizing" as someoneone put it earlier in the thread. I don't like to believe, I like to "know". Just thought I should clarify.

Thrive? lol Scientific standpoint? lol wow just wow

 

[MayaEden]

I could whip up a few links if anyone wants, im sure i have something saved in my browser.

Please do, sounds hilarious.

What I can suggest though is the movie "Thrive" it mentions crop circles and their possible meanings and it's a great starting point to do your own research.

Edit: also this comes from a scientific standpoint, not from a "romanticizing" as someoneone put it earlier in the thread. I don't like to believe, I like to "know". Just thought I should clarify.

Thrive? lol Scientific standpoint? lol wow just wow

I won't bother for someone who will find it "hilarious" and the most he can do is type "wow lol". Clearly, you are here to mock people, instead of learn an discuss.

I don't see the point in pursuing a thread you are not open minded enough to understand. All you're choosing to do is minimizing and ridiculing. Is that really how you enjoy spending your time? "wow lol just wow"

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I don't see the point in pursuing a thread you are not open minded enough to understand.

loooool I'm open minded enough to know that Thrive is silly at least. Nothing can be learned by watching it. The fact that you recommended it as a "great starting point to do your own research" is hilarious but also so sad. I got a link.
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/

What I feel most toward fans of Thrive is not anger or even pity, but sadness. What could have been great hope, promise and energy of a generation of young people who want to change the world has been squandered, bastardized and ultimately wasted by sad obsessions with bizarre conspiracy theories that can do nothing—absolutely nothing—to move our society forward or address the problems within it. This is the tragedy of conspiracy thinking. It is a tragedy upon which I can no longer dwell, and with Thrive now debunked, I no longer have to.

 

[Jillybean]

I'm not understanding why this is turning petty. Can we stop the pettiness and get back to thoughtful posts please?

I do not believe aliens made the crop circles. The fact is that everything I've found supporting that claim comes from people self-publishing information which has not been endorsed whatsoever by the scientific community. I am a natural skeptic. I'm that person who sends you scientific links on Facebook when you "share" shitty false posts about blood moons.

I am a physics nut and keep up with scientific discovery on nearly a daily basis.

I think there's been ample evidence to suggest that crop circles are man-made. Including the fact that they are made as advertisements many times!!

And also a documentary, where a group documents themselves making a crop circle...

Also, when I google "crop circles change molecular structure" the first suggestion spells energy "enenrgy." While typos do exist, they seldom find themselves in plausible scientific articles.

Edit: All that said, I still LOVE creepy paranormal stories and part of me wants to think they're true. I even get scared of shows like the X-Files to this day. But, the smarter half of me really believes that if an alien civilization found their way to earth, they would deem us to be an unintelligent race and would leave, finding Earth to be a waste of their time.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I am a natural skeptic. I'm that person who sends you scientific links on Facebook when you "share" shitty false posts about blood moons.

Same here, which is why I hate seeing nonsense being passed off as facts. Sorry if this is petty to you.

 

[Jillybean]

I am a natural skeptic. I'm that person who sends you scientific links on Facebook when you "share" shitty false posts about blood moons.

Same here, which is why I hate seeing nonsense being passed off as facts. Sorry if this is petty to you.

I just hate pointless back-and-forth conversations where no movement is made I guess. :? I suppose that's not really petty. Maybe frustrating is a better term.

 

[MayaEden]

I don't see the point in pursuing a thread you are not open minded enough to understand.

loooool I'm open minded enough to know that Thrive is silly at least. Nothing can be learned by watching it. The fact that you recommended it as a "great starting point to do your own research" is hilarious but also so sad. I got a link.
http://thrivedebunked.wordpress.com/

What I feel most toward fans of Thrive is not anger or even pity, but sadness. What could have been great hope, promise and energy of a generation of young people who want to change the world has been squandered, bastardized and ultimately wasted by sad obsessions with bizarre conspiracy theories that can do nothing—absolutely nothing—to move our society forward or address the problems within it. This is the tragedy of conspiracy thinking. It is a tragedy upon which I can no longer dwell, and with Thrive now debunked, I no longer have to.

I have watched Thrive quite a while ago so I won't be the "conspiracy-theory-super-defender" that you seem to be trying to stereotype me as. I stand by what I said because it is true. It's a great basis to start doing your own research. It offers a lot of concepts and categories worth analysing and pondering. I don't know how that's hilarious or sad but hey, different humours I guess

Things are not black and white. If the truth is what you want, then you have to stand back from your own culture, conditioning, personal morals, etc and look at things differently. Even then you probably won't be able to say "yeah I got it, it's definitely this!", because we're dealing with an infinite amount of possibilities. It's important to stay humble, which you don't seem to be. Information is like pieces of a puzzle, and it takes years of research to sometimes really understand something.

I just love how you're so quick to be unnecessarily judgemental and insulting when you clearly are not open minded (as you say you are) and don't care for understanding. Those who know what I'm talking about or who are curious, probably won't say anything because people like you are always lurking ready to jump them and squander any questioning/pondering outside the box. And because it's hard to talk about something which is not 100% correct/proven/observed/confirmed. It's way easier to point a finger and laugh and stay in your happy bubble of certainty.

Also, the scientific community, as with many other things, has a mainstream which is influenced by society and its taboos and corruption (think Tesla and cold fusion for example). Therefore not to be fully trusted when it comes to being unbiased in their choice of which subjects to highlight/research/promote.

PunkinDrublic seems to be on "bickering attack mode" since he started posting. Do you not see how unnecessary this is and how differently you can approach the subject? You're here to "win", I'm here to share and learn. I'm sure you'll find a way to nit pick again while ignoring whatever else I said.

One can "know" that crop circles are something worth delving into, due to their mysterious nature (referring to the not man made ones), without adhering to prejudices associated with the bad connotation that the words "conspiracy theory" have accumulated over the years.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I just love how you're so quick to be unnecessarily judgemental and insulting when you clearly are not open minded (as you say you are) and don't care for understanding.

lol again? I don't believe the crap that you believe so I'm not open minded? funny stuff Give me one good reason why believing stupidity that can and has been proved false makes you open minded.

You're here to "win", I'm here to share and learn. I'm sure you'll find a way to nit pick again while ignoring whatever else I said.

Not here to win anything. Nothing can be won by arguing with people like you. You're not here to learn.

One can "know" that crop circles are something worth delving into, due to their mysterious nature (referring to the not man made ones),

lol Is there any proof that any crop circle isn't man made? Ever? Do you have any proof to back up your ridiculous claims? Shitload of proof to prove that you are wrong but I don't see you sharing anything besides silliness.

 

[BarbieLuv]

PunkinDrublic seems to be on "bickering attack mode" since he started posting. Do you not see how unnecessary this is and how differently you can approach the subject? You're here to "win", I'm here to share and learn. I'm sure you'll find a way to nit pick again while ignoring whatever else I said.

I didn't think he was attacking, more laughing at the idea that a conspiracy theory movie should be taken as a 'starting point' for researching crop circles. Which I happen to agree with. 'Thrive' is a load of crap, as are most documentaries (using the term *very* loosely) in the conspiracy/paranormal genre.

My thoughts: Crop circles didn't gain any sort of prevalence/begin to appear in actual patterns (so obviously not made by storms/birds/etc.) until the '60s/'70s. There are earlier reports dating back to the 1600s of crops being downed in a circular pattern, but nothing near the extent of the crop circle complexity of modernity. Based on their original appearance during the environmental/'hippie' movement, I believe they were originally a form of ecological protest which has now become an art form in and of itself. No aliens, no paranormal forces.

It's also worth noting that the electromagnetic/microwave damage to crops that conspiracy theorists tout as being 'proof' that it must be aliens can easily be explained away as being the output of manmade devices (GPS, laser pointers, laptop computers, cell phones, etc.) which are commonly used to organize crop circle creation teams on the ground/in the air. So again... no aliens.

 

[MayaEden]

I just love how you're so quick to be unnecessarily judgemental and insulting when you clearly are not open minded (as you say you are) and don't care for understanding.

lol again? I don't believe the crap that you believe so I'm not open minded? funny stuff Give me one good reason why believing stupidity that can and has been proved false makes you open minded.

You're here to "win", I'm here to share and learn. I'm sure you'll find a way to nit pick again while ignoring whatever else I said.

Not here to win anything. Nothing can be won by arguing with people like you. You're not here to learn.

One can "know" that crop circles are something worth delving into, due to their mysterious nature (referring to the not man made ones),

lol Is there any proof that any crop circle isn't man made? Ever? Do you have any proof to back up your ridiculous claims? Shitload of proof to prove that you are wrong but I don't see you sharing anything besides silliness.

I never said I believed in anything. I mean open-minded in the sense that you're open to something not being what you might think it is (or simply being uncertain/unknown).

I also never "claimed" anything to be the ultimate truth. I realize there's shitload of stuff I don't know and I never tried to come across as an expert on the subject. If you need reassurance then I can guarantee you I never shared what I said believing it's exactly like that. I simply read about it, pondered and commented. But you seem to see everything as set in stone. Black or white. This or that. Ridiculous or compeltely correct. Right now you're putting me on the spot and simplifying everything I've been saying.

All in all, the information is out there, and it's up to us as individuals to take it in and understand for ourselves unbiased. I won't answer you anymore because you seem to be way more interested in reassuring yourself and insulting what I'm saying, than anything else. I've already said enough (it just went under the rug)

If meanwhile I find some interesting articles or whatever for the thread, Ill post em.

PS.: Relating to Thrive. At the least I mentioned that Thrive has good subjects and categories to start your own research on. I never held it on any pedestal or anything of the sort but I also won't call it bonkers or crappy because it relates to bad subjective meanings with the "conspiracy theories".
I shall look into how easy it is to simulate and maintain electromagnetic activity, that's interesting.

 

[PunkInDrublic]

I won't answer you anymore because you seem to be way more interested in reassuring yourself and insulting what I'm saying, than anything else. I've already said enough (it just went under the rug)

Good and I have no need to reassure myself of anything, logic and reason and science does that for me. Sorry if you felt insulted but when you say silly things and then have no proof and then refuse to provide any proof for these silly things when questioned, hard to take anything you say seriously. I'm a pretty open minded guy tho so I'd still be willing to take a look at some legit proof of these things but none seems to exist.

 

[jeff98902]

These are the only crop circles that have made me wonder if they are made by beings other than humans
If these are hoaxes my hat is off to them for their ingenuity planning and work it took to create these.

 

[SaffronBurke]

I like the very complex ones that look like it took a small army of people to make with the help of a helicopter and some good communication with the ground crew.
I have read that these are actually created with only a few people with with lots of artistic ingenuity doing all this with some lumber and rope tied to them to press down the crop designs.
I found a good link for info about them

http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2009/06/24/120-amazing-crop-circles-work-of-devil-ufos-or-hoaxes/



I also wonder how come you only see these in Europe and not in North America, Here we have thousands of crop fields that these could be made in. If an Alien life form where truly trying to communicate with us in that visual way.

Because in North America, farmers have guns and are likely to be quick to use them on someone fucking with their crops.

 

[camstory]

While it's possible that aliens created the crop circles/pyramids/etc., I am skeptical. I don't doubt intelligent alien life could/does exist somewhere out there. But IMO, if these lifeforms have mastered inter-galactic travel, they would have to be some sort of super-intelligent species. And if they were that super-duper intelligent, I believe they would be able to find a way communicate with us other than cryptically (crop circles, symbols on pyramids, Stonehenge, etc.). I'm not even going to delve into the fact that the supposed alien's ability to communicate has not evolved in 3000+ years (Egyptian/Mayan pyramids to present day crop circles) :twocents-02cents:

I started down this thread to see if anyone had made the point that has always made me a great skeptic about visitors from other worlds, and I didn't get far.

I am as certain as anything that there are other life out there, but any life form that had the ability to move across the vast reaches of space, would not be caught in our skies as UFO's, or have to use cryptic patterns in wheat fields to communicate.

Well, unless of course they were just doing it to fuck with us?