CB traffic cap?

[surfergirlx]

Hi guys, still relatively new and trying to figure out the patterns of CB traffic.

On good days I can easily have 1000 up to 7000 viewers whenever it booms out of nowhere, but some days in a row it seems that cannot get out of that 250 viewers (or 400 other days) mark and its very hard to move from there.

It feels like CB caps you out for that day, is this possible?

Lately it has been quite a crappy wave of days, and obviously low room count does minimise your potential of earnings.

Any thoughts or experiences you might want to share? I know within 5y i will still try to crack and understand the algorithm of CB traffic without a hope

 

[ellinrose]

Hey, is it the surfergirl I know?
But yes you are right CB is lately also moving slow for me tho. I feel like their ranking system is not qorking properly. Yesterday when I went online I had after a short time around 300 viewers and I saw a model on the first page with less than 300 viewers and even more annonymouse users .. so the model got way less registered users than I did , but the model was ranked on first page in that time and I was ranked on second page. CB told me that only unique registered users count on the rank and the rank is the most important thing to gain viewers. They told me registered users have to watch your cam for atleast 30 seconds to become unique but I feel like their system is not working properly. Since how do they know when someone is watching for 30 seconds? I have also days , nevermind what I do like I could do anything and I am capped at a viewercount and it wont let me gain more viewers. I also saw other rooms showing on first page and when I was reloading the CB page the model was suddenly disapeared and I could not find her anymore.. and after some minutes she suddenly was visible again. Idk what CB is doing in the background but I guess they will never tell us ^^

 

[cbexplorer]

The "pay to play" move allowing performers to buy time on the first page leads me to believe they are experimenting more and more on how to monetize their viewers and performers even more - playing devil's advocate this can also be used for good, creating more viewer dispersion and getting viewers to performers that don't have an audience yet may be a good thing for the platform in the long run (case in point the "new" tag - at least that was the aim of it). I guess it is all speculation for now

 

[ellinrose]

The "pay to play" move allowing performers to buy time on the first page leads me to believe they are experimenting more and more on how to monetize their viewers and performers even more - playing devil's advocate this can also be used for good, creating more viewer dispersion and getting viewers to performers that don't have an audience yet may be a good thing for the platform in the long run (case in point the "new" tag - at least that was the aim of it). I guess it is all speculation for now

Where do you got all that info from? And could you explain more of it .. sounds interesting

 

[cbexplorer]

Where do you got all that info from? And could you explain more of it .. sounds interesting

https://www.ambercutie.com/forums/threads/lets-gather-up-some-info-on-this-new-promoted-feature.37484

 

[dark_mermaid]

There is no traffic cap. The very sad and frustrating truth is (for me too) that our followers don't visit our rooms anymore, they visit other rooms or are not online or left the site.

Chaturbate cannot force any user to visit any specific room.

 

[Mila_]

There is no traffic cap. The very sad and frustrating truth is (for me too) that our followers don't visit our rooms anymore, they visit other rooms or are not online or left the site.

Chaturbate cannot force any user to visit any specific room.

I am not sure about the viewer cap being bogus... For me the cap seemed to be tied to how much time I had been online. The first hour it would never climb over 400 no matter what, second hour 900, and so on and so on, I figured it was some sort of cap because the number was always the same and the the moment it lifted was also the same and it had nothing to do with what was happening on cam. I haven't streamed since May cause I am on a break so things might have changed since then, but a viewer cap seemed very real to me last year. I talked to support and they say there's no such a thing as a viewer cap. Maybe it's true and it's tied to something else like being featured in promo tools after certain amount of time but not before.

 

[Nigerian Prince]

I am not sure about the viewer cap being bogus... For me the cap seemed to be tied to how much time I had been online. The first hour it would never climb over 400 no matter what, second hour 900, and so on and so on, I figured it was some sort of cap because the number was always the same and the the moment it lifted was also the same and it had nothing to do with what was happening on cam. I haven't streamed since May cause I am on a break so things might have changed since then, but a viewer cap seemed very real to me last year. I talked to support and they say there's no such a thing as a viewer cap. Maybe it's true and it's tied to something else like being featured in promo tools after certain amount of time but not before.

Maybe something to do with the way CB delays notifications?

 

[cexmental]

Since how do they know when someone is watching for 30 seconds?

Programmatically, this would be very easy. Even using the limited CB API, it would be very simple to create a bot that would record usernames and the exact time they enter/exit your chat. CB having access to the full Web server without the limited permissions/accessibility of the API could easily store a great deal of information about each user.

Cheers,
cexmental

 

[cbhours]

There is no viewer cap, there are delayed email notifications though

They told me registered users have to watch your cam for at least 30 seconds to become unique but I feel like their system is not working properly. Since how do they know when someone is watching for 30 seconds? I have also days , nevermind what I do like I could do anything and I am capped at a viewercount and it wont let me gain more viewers. I also saw other rooms showing on first page and when I was reloading the CB page the model was suddenly disapeared and I could not find her anymore.. and after some minutes she suddenly was visible again. Idk what CB is doing in the background but I guess they will never tell us ^^

It is easy to tell which window/tab has focus these days, its weird that they gave you that level of detail, as far as I know they never share detail like that as thats part of their anti abuse system. Models can be sent to the back if they disconnect briefly or some drop briefly because of rare server issues...

which by the way has anyone noticed an increase in streaming oddities? like the stream won't properly load no matter how many times you refresh and it makes it seem like the model has a problem but if you had an older stream running before the issue started then that stream is perfectly fine. If the model stops and picks another OBS server its also fine again. Perhaps the servers that feed the stream to viewers are being overworked?

 

[cbhours]

Oh nevermind i'm a dumb dumb I think hes talking about the contest stats.

 

[surfergirlx]

I am not sure about the viewer cap being bogus... For me the cap seemed to be tied to how much time I had been online. The first hour it would never climb over 400 no matter what, second hour 900, and so on and so on, I figured it was some sort of cap because the number was always the same and the the moment it lifted was also the same and it had nothing to do with what was happening on cam. I haven't streamed since May cause I am on a break so things might have changed since then, but a viewer cap seemed very real to me last year. I talked to support and they say there's no such a thing as a viewer cap. Maybe it's true and it's tied to something else like being featured in promo tools after certain amount of time but not before.

I have had exactly this same experience

there are delayed email notifications though

Havent heard about this, so i guess its a good idea to send the notifications as soon as you start broadcasting?

I guess that the fact that the world is going to shit doesnt help either, people dont have as much money to spend and all industries are affected, from the restaurants to camming. That's my personal guess.

 

[cexmental]

I sometimes receive notifications and sometimes I do not. Sometimes I see them hours after my friends have gone offline. I never put much faith in the notification system. =/

Cheers,
cexmental

 

[Walkergrogan]

for some reason i cant have more than 2 viewers in my room lol and that only happens on chaturbate

 

[JustMilfnAround]

for some reason i cant have more than 2 viewers in my room lol and that only happens on chaturbate

I just shut down my 33K follower account because I couldn't get more than 10 people in my room on sporadic logins the last 6 months. Chaturbate can and WILL definitely "cap" your traffic if they want to.

 

[dark_mermaid]

How can chaturbate cap traffic? How can they prevent a user from coming to your room? Also why would they do this to specific (hand picked?) rooms?

Maybe there is a delay until the room appears on the site or on their white labels or in notifications but generally the cold truth is just that users are in other rooms and not yours anymore.

 

[Mila_]

How can chaturbate cap traffic? How can they prevent a user from coming to your room? Also why would they do this to specific (hand picked?) rooms?

Maybe there is a delay until the room appears on the site or on their white labels or in notifications but generally the cold truth is just that users are in other rooms and not yours anymore.

This is my own speculation so take it with a grain of salt, I don’t have any information other than what I can gather from observation myself...

Chaturbate support is frequently the ones who ask their coders for new features and from their presence in affiliate marketing forums i know for a fact they care a lot about Chaturbate reputation as a sponsor. One frequent complaint from affiliates is what shows up in the promo tools. They complain that their lack of conversions is due to the fact that there are sometimes empty rooms featured in the promo tools (model went to the bathroom so their iframe features an empty chair for minutes at a time or girls who aren’t naked but fully clothed holding the banner spots etc) the affiliates obviously don’t understand why or how people click in banners but they gotta blame their failures on external reasons. However Chaturbate support knows EVEN LESS so they take the failed affiliates word and try to tweak the site to appease them.

I am convinced for a while in April-June 2019 they had an actual person booting models from the promo tools manually if they got dressed or left the room for more than 5 min. It is entirely speculation on my part, but it’s the only logical conclusion for all the erratic behavior the site started to display around that time. Remember: I was And had been for 2 years online 6-7 hours every single day holding the top spots and my rooms gimmick was based around the contest (promo tools) so I was extremely observant and knowledgeable about the promo tools and how to game them.

With viewer caps I am sure it has to do with this “appeasing the affiliates” behavior. They have figured most models have a period of being fully dressed when they first start their show and they won’t get naked until 2 hrs pass so they put caps to prevent the promo tools from displaying “boring” “dressed” rooms as much as they otherwise would by preventing rooms from showing up in banners and iframes for a period of time. I am also sure this is an algorithm that takes into account variables like “trending” to bypass the cap.

 

[cbhours]

I am convinced for a while in April-June 2019 they had an actual person booting models from the promo tools manually if they got dressed or left the room for more than 5 min. It is entirely speculation on my part, but it’s the only logical conclusion for all the erratic behavior the site started to display around that time.

The time period you are referring to, in early april 2019 they attempted a drastic change to the algorithm in an attempt to curve viewerbots. This change made it so the vast majority of colored names had no positional value. I suspect it was all of the light blues but it may have also been something related to last time tokens were purchased, I can't say for sure. So during this time if you did something to lose even a few dark colored names it may have been enough to knock you right out of the top affiliate category. This is why models kept flying around all over the place and also why some started believing that time online played a bigger role and thats because a lot of the pages towards the back of the model list was suddenly full of models online with the same positional value (which does sort by time online when they have the same positional value).

 

[Mila_]

The time period you are referring to, in early april 2019 they attempted a drastic change to the algorithm in an attempt to curve viewerbots. This change made it so the vast majority of colored names had no positional value. I suspect it was all of the light blues but it may have also been something related to last time tokens were purchased, I can't say for sure. So during this time if you did something to lose even a few dark colored names it may have been enough to knock you right out of the top affiliate category. This is why models kept flying around all over the place and also why some started believing that time online played a bigger role and thats because a lot of the pages towards the back of the model list was suddenly full of models online with the same positional value (which does sort by time online when they have the same positional value).

They did change the algorithm but the erratic behavior I am referring to wasn’t regular, I did many tests to try and put my finger on the changes and like I said the only logical conclusion is they had someone monitoring the top 10 spots and tweaking the positions manually. I might be wrong but considering the amount of time, effort and minute to minute monitoring I did I give a heavy weight to my own deductions

 

[Walkergrogan]

I just shut down my 33K follower account because I couldn't get more than 10 people in my room on sporadic logins the last 6 months. Chaturbate can and WILL definitely "cap" your traffic if they want to.

yes, i think its so weird, my traffic is totally gone, i can't make ANY money on Chaturbate anymore. I used to do great. The funny thing is, this only happens on Chaturbate, everything is fine in other camsites, they did something to my account where I can't get viewers anymore. I was watching the boys in the first page these days, and one of them was cussing at the viewers and saying the N word just because he wasn't getting big tips lol! Seems like CB is doing a great work choosing who is going to be in the front page...

 

[punker barbie]

Chaturbate does not ‘cap traffic’ in any way! In fact, the Chaturbate platform doesn’t have any functionality available that would permit anyone to change room rank. Moreover, the algorithm does not favor one room over another based upon level of nudity, or any other activity in a broadcasters room. If you are having any concerns or issues with your broadcast, please email support@chaturbate.com and a technical support member will assist you.

 

[JustMilfnAround]

Chaturbate does not ‘cap traffic’ in any way! In fact, the Chaturbate platform doesn’t have any functionality available that would permit anyone to change room rank. Moreover, the algorithm does not favor one room over another based upon level of nudity, or any other activity in a broadcasters room. If you are having any concerns or issues with your broadcast, please email support@chaturbate.com and a technical support member will assist you.

I have reached out to support - over this and a multitude of other issues - and have never gotten a response to those inquiries. Also, if they can't cap traffic - how do I go from a room with 80-200 viewers consistently for MONTHS ON END after an hour online - to a room with less than 10 in a week's time, and then it stays stuck at 10 or less for 6+ MONTHS now, when nothing I did/do has changed. Models don't have 33k followers and have all of them decide simultaneously to stop visiting that particular room.

This is the only site that doesn't have a clear algorithm, and per my experience there is ABSOLUTELY traffic capping going on - nothing else makes any sense. If there is a logical explanation I would be happy to entertain it.

Keep in mind I spent over a YEAR building this room, coming to Chaturbate as a Top 20/Front Page model from another site that I was on for 4 years - bringing my fans with me as well. This makes absolutely NO SENSE!

 

[cbhours]

This is the only site that doesn't have a clear algorithm, and per my experience there is ABSOLUTELY traffic capping going on - nothing else makes any sense. If there is a logical explanation I would be happy to entertain it.

Theres no traffic cap but how do you think one would even work?

 

[JustMilfnAround]

Theres no traffic cap but how do you think one would even work?

No clue - I'm not a programmer. Touche' though *smiles*

I cammed on a site for 4 years and left because they were somehow able to control my traffic flow as I started getting into the tiers where I would take more of a cut than the site based on % (50, 60 and 70% respectively - starting at 32% for $5K member spend and moving up accordingly). Once I got into the higher tiers my traffic absolutely disappeared and my earnings took a hard nosedive - so I know it can be done. They started this shit a year before I left (I watched my income go down by 60%) and the model manager, as well as a person from corporate, CONFIRMED that they were pulling traffic in a Twitter group I was in. Traffic can absolutely be manipulated, and this was a smaller site doing this so I guarantee CB can handle it.

But, what else do you think would cause something like that to happen? That's the only logical explanation from my point of view.

 

[Mila_]

Theres no traffic cap but how do you think one would even work?

Like I already explained above. They don’t cap traffic on the site itself, it’s not a “cap” per se. What I believe they do is they prevent models from being displayed in the promo tools for a period of time after logging in, and maybe they even exclude them from the whitelabels (this should be easy to check, I never checked white labels). Since most of CB traffic is actually people who have iframes and banners of CB open on other sites, if a model doesn’t show up in there she misses out of a lot of that traffic making it impossible for her to gain any users other than the people who actually entered CBs homepage themselves and went to her room. This has a cascading effect when other models who are being featured get that boost and the excluded model does not.

Then you go over 1 hour online and say... you are now eligible to show up on whitelabels! BOOM! Room count climbs from 400 to 900 in the span of 15 min. Second hour hits and BOOM you can now be featured in banners and iframes, your numbers start climbing for real. I’m not claiming this is exactly how it works, just what I believe is happening from observation and it might be a bit different from my example, but I do believe the cap to be related to the promo tools.

And before you say the banners don’t count cause of the registered users thing... if you logged in at 8 am and watched for a bit, then close the browser and later that day you go to pornhub and get a CB iframe at the bottom, your account is still logged in and you count as a registered user boosting the model featured in the iframe on CB homepage even if you aren’t even watching.

 

[cexmental]

The world wide unemployment rate is on the rise. Its up in the U.S. Millions of people are on a track to lose their homes by start of next year. People can't afford rent. It's all over the news. People have less money to spend on things like their online fetish. Even COVID is on the rise again, keeping more people at home and not allowing them to work. At first, every online retailer reported a huge boom when COVID started. Now things are slowly leveling out, and is safe to assume CB is as well. I think the loss everyone is seeing is just the back side of that hill.

I agree with cbhours. I am a programmer, going back to VB3pro and Cobol. The amount of predictive overhead to curb traffic and then promote rooms in the hopes those curbed users would somehow click the promoted rooms, is a topic for a great conspiracy discussion. While they may or may not be manipulating who gets the top 10 slots, they aren't curbing traffic for specific users for specific reasons.

Cheers,
cexmental

 

[cbhours]

Like I already explained above. They don’t cap traffic on the site itself, it’s not a “cap” per se. What I believe they do is they prevent models from being displayed in the promo tools for a period of time after logging in, and maybe they even exclude them from the whitelabels (this should be easy to check, I never checked white labels). Since most of CB traffic is actually people who have iframes and banners of CB open on other sites, if a model doesn’t show up in there she misses out of a lot of that traffic making it impossible for her to gain any users other than the people who actually entered CBs homepage themselves and went to her room. This has a cascading effect when other models who are being featured get that boost and the excluded model does not. And before you say the banners don’t count cause of the registered users thing... if you logged in at 8 am and watched for a bit, then close the browser and later that day you go to pornhub and get a CB iframe at the bottom, your account is still logged in and you count as a registered user boosting the model featured in the iframe on CB homepage even if you aren’t even watching.

Mila, the promo only impacts models that actually get that high, the vast majority of models aren't even in the top half of the first page much less high enough to get promo'd.

Edit: the model i was quoting was not being promo'd at any point to my knowledge, there are a lot of models talking about being capped and they have never been promo'd

 

[Walkergrogan]

I have reached out to support - over this and a multitude of other issues - and have never gotten a response to those inquiries. Also, if they can't cap traffic - how do I go from a room with 80-200 viewers consistently for MONTHS ON END after an hour online - to a room with less than 10 in a week's time, and then it stays stuck at 10 or less for 6+ MONTHS now, when nothing I did/do has changed. Models don't have 33k followers and have all of them decide simultaneously to stop visiting that particular room.

This is the only site that doesn't have a clear algorithm, and per my experience there is ABSOLUTELY traffic capping going on - nothing else makes any sense. If there is a logical explanation I would be happy to entertain it.

Keep in mind I spent over a YEAR building this room, coming to Chaturbate as a Top 20/Front Page model from another site that I was on for 4 years - bringing my fans with me as well. This makes absolutely NO SENSE!

Exactly my words. The same happened to me. I can't get any viewers or make any money. I have contacted tech support, all they do it copy+paste the same thing as always. I love Chaturbate but there is something going on. They clearly choose who is going to make money and who won't.

 

[Walkergrogan]

It's gotten to the point where everyone is noticing this issue and it's becoming ridiculous that such a big camsite acts this way. Giving lots of traffic for some, and cutting all the traffic of others

 

[Mila_]

Mila, the promo only impacts models that actually get that high, the vast majority of models aren't even in the top half of the first page much less high enough to get promo'd.

Edit: the model i was quoting was not being promo'd at any point to my knowledge, there are a lot of models talking about being capped and they have never been promo'd

I don’t know about them, I can only talk about my personal experience. If the cap affects whitelabels then it would affect everyone.