Business Perspective on Caming: A Question to Large Scale Exposure & Scaling Through Caming.

[curvyredhead]

The OP is NOT about the safety of your model....

So to sum up your answers. (although if feels like your answering similar questions i asked, and not the actual question---but that could be my fault in the way I asked them)

Why use dating apps for promotion- horny guys are there, (edit: LOTS of horny guys on there)

How do you keep your model safe- you don't advertise in the models city/state

Now to answer your question. Personally as a model I would 100% take the opportunity to increase my exposure on the platforms you mentioned (porn site, sex related IG (side note IG is not SW friendly, so that would not be a great example tbh)).

That being said- Those are both traditional means of promotion and advertising that most of us are in some facet already using. Where as a dating site/app is not.

Do these dating apps not have anything in the TOS about this? I feel like they would, but i don't know personally.

How many hours do you put into this type of promotion? What is the agreement you have with this model? Are you paid per client you bring? per show? a %?

 

[Luckyfoxxy]

To the visibility and the family question, that just depends. Like how I said in one of the previous posts.

"In an industry like this, to make real money you need at least one of two things. Either a ton of clients, or a smaller amount of clients that are spending a ton of money all the time."

With the specific model I work with she is younger and has no family so that's not an issue for her, that's also what the OP was about me asking you guys the question if you'd be willing to put yourselves out there for more money.

When it comes to all the privacy things you mentioned you're model shouldn't be posting those things anywhere so the chance of them leaking shouldn't be high. It's ridiculous to say that it is impossible for anything to be leaked or hacked (this is coming from a small computer science background I have). But there are definitely things you can do to protect yourself. Shouldn't ever use any real information, name and address wise, you can always get WHOIS protection for a website and you can get DID phone numbers for $1/month to mask yourself there.

How I market online is just having a conversation with guys who are interested giving them my models snapchat and then selling premium snap access and cam times through her snaps. There are obviously alot of tricks and creativity in between there that make it successful but that's how I make money so sharing it publically isn't a good idea.

Do you lead them on though?
And a leak can be much easier than that, all it takes is one person you know personally recognizing you. Models at least used to own a private facebook at some point - what you put on the internet most of the time stays.
But these are risks generally associated with the business.

 

[MargotRose]

The OP is NOT about the safety of your model....

So to sum up your answers. (although if feels like your answering similar questions i asked, and not the actual question---but that could be my fault in the way I asked them)

Why use dating apps for promotion- horny guys are there, (edit: LOTS of horny guys on there)

How do you keep your model safe- you don't advertise in the models city/state

Now to answer your question. Personally as a model I would 100% take the opportunity to increase my exposure on the platforms you mentioned (porn site, sex related IG (side note IG is not SW friendly, so that would not be a great example tbh)).

That being said- Those are both traditional means of promotion and advertising that most of us are in some facet already using. Where as a dating site/app is not.

Do these dating apps not have anything in the TOS about this? I feel like they would, but i don't know personally.

How many hours do you put into this type of promotion? What is the agreement you have with this model? Are you paid per client you bring? per show? a %?

How am I not about safety lol. I described using fake information, using WHOIS protection for personal digital data, not contacting users within close geolocal proximity, and using alternate phone numbers all which are all things me and my model have planned out and agreed upon. If there is an avenue i'm missing let me know and it will be covered lol.

To your second point I already mentioned before it has to do with saturation and competition on big cam sites, as well as the ability to be more creative with promotion on these less restrictive apps, as well as yes number of users.

To the hours, and agreement and paid per client etc line that's info that is business info between my model & myself I can assume you'd understand why I wouldn't disclose something like that over the internet.

 

[MargotRose]

Do you lead them on though?
And a leak can be much easier than that, all it takes is one person you know personally recognizing you. Models at least used to own a private facebook at some point - what you put on the internet most of the time stays.
But these are risks generally associated with the business.

Oh I see yeah I get that part of what you mean. From a personal standpoint with my model specifically she doesn't have family and her friends as well as my friends are aware of her career and support it. Of course there could always be some sort of falling out and some info could be leaked within that personal realm, but in this case there is no difference in safety between a bigger model and a smaller one, just comes to ruffling the wrong persons feathers.

 

[Luckyfoxxy]

The horny dudes. Do you lead them on? Do you discuss the strategy with the model first?

 

[MargotRose]

Do you lead them on though?
And a leak can be much easier than that, all it takes is one person you know personally recognizing you. Models at least used to own a private facebook at some point - what you put on the internet most of the time stays.
But these are risks generally associated with the business.

And to the lead them on thing, like I've said before and you may have experienced on a dating app personally these guys and girls are horny lol. If you start a conversation with them and you are attractive they will be extremely interested in you. We don't initiate any flirtation.

 

[curvyredhead]

How am I not about safety lol.

I was referring to "original post" not "original poster" which is how I THINK you were using it here..

This is a good question, it's basically what the OP is about..

My comment was a direct response to that statement.

I am unsure what you are looking to get from this thread. I only see one (pretty simple for such a big post) question in the OP.

You have chosen to either dodge or outright say you will not be answering the questions towards yourself, which makes it hard to want to continue on this thread.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Same idea works for something like Tinder. Not specifically for camming, but specifically for horny dudes & girls and there are definitely horny dudes on there who are down to cam, whether intentionally or not. Identifying these hubs & these niches within apps is the easy part. The hard part is finding a way to creatively & efficiently convert these niches you identify.

There are obviously alot of tricks and creativity in between there that make it successful but that's how I make money so sharing it publically isn't a good idea.

To expand here my model actually has alot of these guys who legit want to date or are just extremely infatuated but don't want to cam. I keep these guys and convert them with other offers more suited to them.

And to the lead them on thing, like I've said before and you may have experienced on a dating app personally these guys and girls are horny lol. If you start a conversation with them and you are attractive they will be extremely interested in you. We don't initiate any flirtation.

Gosh, you almost make being a catfishin' e-whore sound respectable.

 

[Keziah]

Soooooo you are telling us your idea is super effective and awesome, but won't tell us your cut/how much you charge?

Advertising on a dating site might be legal, but it's kinda shady. I don't think I'd want my reputation as a model to be trying to scam guys on a dating site.

While you may have had success using this business model with one model, reproducing the same results for multiple girls likely won't work. There is a certain amount of luck involved in this industry, and you might have gotten lucky with one model, but it might not work again.

 

[curvyredhead]

Gosh, you almost make being a catfishin' e-whore sound respectable.

keyword

almost

 

[Luckyfoxxy]

I was referring to "original post" not "original poster" which is how I THINK you were using it here..



My comment was a direct response to that statement.

I am unsure what you are looking to get from this thread. I only see one (pretty simple for such a big post) question in the OP.

You have chosen to either dodge or outright say you will not be answering the questions towards yourself, which makes it hard to want to continue on this thread.

I guess he doesn't want to "put himself out there".

 

[curvyredhead]

I guess he doesn't want to "put himself out there".

bahahahahahaah

no kidding

the irony!!!

 

[MargotRose]

I was referring to "original post" not "original poster" which is how I THINK you were using it here..



My comment was a direct response to that statement.

I am unsure what you are looking to get from this thread. I only see one (pretty simple for such a big post) question in the OP.

You have chosen to either dodge or outright say you will not be answering the questions towards yourself, which makes it hard to want to continue on this thread.

The idea of the thread was just me giving a perspective from the short time i've been working with camming and seeing if you guys have ever thought about this from a marketing standpoint is all, as well as me learning more from you guys b/c I am the new one here.

And to dodging questions I actually think i'm giving alot of nice info out. But i'm being cautious. There is a difference between giving out information and business information that could effect the money I make. Giving out my exact setup and details just isn't a smart move, but I am letting you guys know as much as I can without revealing too much.

 

[MargotRose]

Lmao alright i'll just stop this didn't turn out to be productive

 

[Luckyfoxxy]

Going on internet and telling lies doesn't pay bills.

 

[MargotRose]

Soooooo you are telling us your idea is super effective and awesome, but won't tell us your cut/how much you charge?

Advertising on a dating site might be legal, but it's kinda shady. I don't think I'd want my reputation as a model to be trying to scam guys on a dating site.

While you may have had success using this business model with one model, reproducing the same results for multiple girls likely won't work. There is a certain amount of luck involved in this industry, and you might have gotten lucky with one model, but it might not work again.

I'm actually interested in this what you said in the second paragraph? What part of the business model do in the camming industry would you consider the part that requires luck?

 

[marvelb0y]

How I market online is just having a conversation with guys who are interested giving them my models snapchat and then selling premium snap access and cam times through her snaps. There are obviously alot of tricks and creativity in between there that make it successful but that's how I make money so sharing it publically isn't a good idea.

Actually this makes a lot of sense and now I know what you are doing. Essentially you are catfishing people during the initial phase because I am assuming you are pretending to be her while you talk to these potential customers. I'm sure a lot of people would find this a bit distasteful but I don't judge. There are actually entire Eastern European dating/mail order bride websites out there that do this on a massive scale. Perhaps you work for one of them? Anyway, as a fan of cam sites, I'm willing to pay a premium just so I won't be catfished in this manner. Yes, maybe privates cost a bit more but at least I'm sure I'm not talking to a guy trying to get her business.

 

[Shutterbuck]

More often than not, it's what you won't share that says everything about you.
Being afraid to share the secret to one's success usually means that there is little success to be shared. I can spend an afternoon divulging every "secret" about how I do what I do and, odds are, 90% or better still can't do what I do... how I do it.

 

[Cherry Bomb]

Lmao alright i'll just stop this didn't turn out to be productive

After reading the extremely bad sales pitch and the subsequent dismissive responses with the very knowledgable folk here.
I can summarize this whole thread as:

MargotRose enters room:
> "Hey bb...I am here to make you smile"
> "I have a large d....DAMN you are hot as heck and you are smiling already"
> "crap...I am done...bye"
MargotRose leaves room.

 

[MargotRose]

More often than not, it's what you won't share that says everything about you.
Being afraid to share the secret to one's success usually means that there is little success to be shared. I can spend an afternoon divulging every "secret" about how I do what I do and, odds are, 90% or better still can't do what I do... how I do it.

From my experience that is actually very, very, very true. But sometimes that 10% does come up. Usually it's not very soon because all great things take time but it will always happen eventually if its something with true potential.

 

[MargotRose]

After reading the extremely bad sales pitch and the subsequent dismissive responses with the very knowledgable folk here.
I can summarize this whole thread as:

idk where the sales pitch thing comes from I never put any link or recommended to try any service or anything.

 

[Cherry Bomb]

idk where the sales pitch thing comes from I never put any link or recommended to try any service or anything.

If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

The reason that you're having a bad time here is that it sounds like your promotion tactics are exactly like the ones that a lot of us hate affiliates using our images for. As lots of affiliates already do this, most of us have had the experience of guys coming into our places of work stating that they've had lusty conversations with us before, when in actuality they've been speaking to a big ol catfish. I understand that your situation is slightly different because you have the model's permission to use her image in this way. But in most of our experiences, it is just annoying to have to deal with the repercussions of exactly this sort of bait-and-switch. I get enough guys coming in and asking how they can meet me, without actually listing a profile on a dating app or site. I'm good on that. It's super counterproductive to making money, which is what we are all here to do.

Good luck with that though.

 

[Luckyfoxxy]

idk where the sales pitch thing comes from I never put any link or recommended to try any service or anything.

Why not link to you twitter/website at least?

 

[Gen]

Do these dating apps not have anything in the TOS about this? I feel like they would, but i don't know personally.

I know girls who advertise on OkCupid and Tinder, and they get banned alll the time. Also I would be so mad if I matched with someone and they were like "oh, no, I'm not into you, haha, but wanna pay to see me naked?". I hate when people use dating sites to advertise. It's tacky and icky in my opinion.

The idea of the thread was just me giving a perspective from the short time i've been working with camming and seeing if you guys have ever thought about this from a marketing standpoint is all, as well as me learning more from you guys b/c I am the new one here.

And to dodging questions I actually think i'm giving alot of nice info out. But i'm being cautious. There is a difference between giving out information and business information that could effect the money I make. Giving out my exact setup and details just isn't a smart move, but I am letting you guys know as much as I can without revealing too much.

Lol I love that your fresh new idea is "have you ever though of using social media". Bold new strategy, Cotton.

 

[SaffronBurke]

You see this is a common statement that i've seen here. All of my models clientele come from dating apps lol. It's actually a pretty good demographic.

Yeah, it's a great demographic if you're looking to build a follower base of dudes who thought they were going to get to date/fuck the girl they were talking to, only to find out that that's not on the table at all and they have to pay to continue to talk to her.

Aka, pissed off horny dudes who are not going to cough up a damn cent because they've been scammed.

 

[melanieoncam]

This is a good question, it's basically what the OP is about. In an industry like this, to make real money you need at least one of two things. Either a ton of clients, or a smaller amount of clients that are spending a ton of money all the time.

What do you consider "real money"? Most of these things you are suggesting are not necessary or effective to make over 50k. Most models who are full time have their own sites and their own payment processors where they keep 80% or more of profits. That does not mean they turn down the 35% from other sites.

Once a model does 400 a day consistently it's easy to maintain a six figure income even with a few days off in a week.

The fact that you mention the percentage Streamate or MFC takes tells me you don't understand the fact that percentages are not the whole picture. A cam site can offer 100% but if they have dating traffic that isn't buying it's worthless.

 

[MargotRose]

I know girls who advertise on OkCupid and Tinder, and they get banned alll the time. Also I would be so mad if I matched with someone and they were like "oh, no, I'm not into you, haha, but wanna pay to see me naked?". I hate when people use dating sites to advertise. It's tacky and icky in my opinion.


Lol I love that your fresh new idea is "have you ever though of using social media". Bold new strategy, Cotton.

Sigh, its not just as easy as saying "use social media" lol. If you read anything in the OP, what I point to is with social media you have the ability to distinguish yourself more than with the cam sites, if you are creative with it. There are analytical tools and such out there that can help you narrow down and target the right people, as well as social advertisement options that aren't talked about on here, and even information on branding. I thought that would be a good topic of conversation to bring to the forum, but apparently its not lol.

 

[MargotRose]

Yeah, it's a great demographic if you're looking to build a follower base of dudes who thought they were going to get to date/fuck the girl they were talking to, only to find out that that's not on the table at all and they have to pay to continue to talk to her.

Aka, pissed off horny dudes who are not going to cough up a damn cent because they've been scammed.

You're missing the whole point of the "alternate revenue sources" I brought up in the OP. Building a follower base can decrease the quality of converting for one offer yes. But since the guys are already genuinely interested in your profile you can convert them through alternate ways. (CPA/products/services/influencer promotion). You remember when I mentioned in the OP scaling so that camming isn't your only means of making money? That's the answer to your post.

 

[THE MOLLIE MARIE]

You're missing the whole point of the "alternate revenue sources" I brought up in the OP. Building a follower base can decrease the quality of converting for one offer yes. But since the guys are already genuinely interested in your profile you can convert them through alternate ways. (CPA/products/services/influencer promotion). You remember when I mentioned in the OP scaling so that camming isn't your only means of making money? That's the answer to your post.

lol oh, no we can't go on a date. But wanna jerk off to me? No? Maybe I can do your taxes? Have you tried these gummi bears that make your hair grow longer, faster?