Being recorded 'n such

[Evvie]

I did a very enjoyable public Hitachi show today, and at the end a guy - not a regular, but he seemed friendly and talked and tipped a lot - informed me that he loved the show and recorded every second of it 'in high def'.

Not being super naive I imagine I have been recorded and 'capped before, but nobody has ever told me about it. I actually did feel kind of uncomfortable after he mentioned it, though. I am sure he meant it to be flattering but it didn't feel that way.

I am curious as to if anyone has come across a member announcing they have just filmed a public show, and if the models said or did anything about it?

IMHO, it seems like most members should be aware that models are worried about their content being potentially stolen and it doesn't seem like a good idea to point out that they now have a copy of what was supposed to be a one-time free show.

For the most part I just commented that I didn't know if anyone had ever filmed me so far and I was glad he enjoyed the show.

I would put this in the models only board but I am not yet recognized by the bureaucratic of ACF as being a model ;]

[My point here is not that he recorded the show at all - of course that happens - but rather that he told me about it. It just doesn't seem like something people would share to me]

 

[bawksy]

models are worried about their content being potentially stolen

I'm assuming you're a MFC model, since you don't have a link to your profile in your siggy.

Just to be clear here, shows you do on MFC are not your content; they are MFC's content.

It probably wasn't wise for the member to rub it in, but you might as well get used to it happening (see http://www.ambercutie.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=1123). Think of it as free advertising if your videos start to make it around the internets.

 

[LadyLuna]

I've only had one member have the nerve to tell me he had recorded it. I said "As long as you keep it for your private use, that's awesome."

I've had members who will rub in that they cum to our single private session over a year ago (cause MFC records them). If they push it, I chew them out. "Look, I appreciate that you enjoy it, and continue to enjoy it, but I'm trying to work and earn more money. I don't get anything for it when you watch the recording."

One gentleman honestly thought we got some kind of bonus when he watched the shows O.O

 

[AmberCutie]

I had a guy tell me he recorded my special group show. My first mirror show. I yelled at him and made him send me a copy, lol. Now I see his name pop into my groups sometimes and always wonder if he's doing it again.

 

[Bocefish]

I had a guy tell me he recorded my special group show. My first mirror show. I yelled at him and made him send me a copy, lol. Now I see his name pop into my groups sometimes and always wonder if he's doing it again.

If I were a betting man, I'd say the odds of him recording your shows every time he joins your group would be somewhere around 99.9%

 

[Jessi]

If someone records me for personal, use, it might feel a little creepy but as long as it stay on their computer I dont mind so much.. If they put it online somewhere, I do my best to have it removed by MFC's modeladmin.

 

[Bocefish]

If someone records me for personal, use, it might feel a little creepy but as long as it stay on their computer I dont mind so much..

You are aware that all privates are archived for their unlimited personal use, right?

All of your private shows are archived to your account so you can watch them again any time you like for free. They are located in your Archives section in your Personal Menu.

http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Instruc ... vate_shows

 

[BoltEyeAm]

recorded every second of it 'in high def'.

High Def...
That's like using filming an Tube TV across the room though a window with a 1080p camera and calling it High Definition.
That is not the point, I'm just a nerd.

Random Member Perspective:
Members usually know all this, but tell him that you don't appreciate it if those videos are leaked you would be very upset and might stop doing shows or stop coming on MFC all together because you don't want to be all over the internet. That might not be the case for you but it frequently is for many models and there is no denying that models are less willing to do public and group shows because of the recording that goes on.

Members need to know that sharing recordings results in less enjoyment for themselves individually.

As a model you should assume you are always being recorded and that anything you do will likely be shared on the internet.

 

[Jessi]

If someone records me for personal, use, it might feel a little creepy but as long as it stay on their computer I dont mind so much..

You are aware that all privates are archived for their unlimited personal use, right?

All of your private shows are archived to your account so you can watch them again any time you like for free. They are located in your Archives section in your Personal Menu.

http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Instruc ... vate_shows

I am aware of that and I wasnt talking about private. I was talking about being recorded in public and group.

 

[LadyLuna]

If someone records me for personal, use, it might feel a little creepy but as long as it stay on their computer I dont mind so much..

You are aware that all privates are archived for their unlimited personal use, right?

All of your private shows are archived to your account so you can watch them again any time you like for free. They are located in your Archives section in your Personal Menu.

http://wiki.myfreecams.com/wiki/Instruc ... vate_shows

I'm aware of it as well, and was aware of it before the guy said so. I still found it very rude that he would tell me this like, once a month, and never tipped again. I was like "Look, if you're going to brag about getting off on me for free, the least you could do is tip now and then."

 

[Pete]

From a member's perspective: I have to admit that I've video-capped a time or two (for private use), but have since deleted the videos. The thing about MFC and other cam sites is the fun is all about the live interaction and personality in the room or PM. I don't perv that much anymore, but even when I do, there's really nothing that appealing to me about the videos I had recorded.

 

[hornygods]

Could you briefly clarify which kinds of shows that you've recorded? The ones that involve talking and interaction with the model, or the ones that involve a lot of masturbating? Is it in a private show or group show, or is it a public chat show? It's hard to emulate the feeling of intimacy where you can actually interact with the model, as opposed to something that's the equivalent of porn. That's why I still enjoy the archives - it's possible to reminisce the good times you've had.

Of course, this doesn't prevent me from visiting the models again, rather the opposite - I visit them more often because I'm reminded of how great the girls are at what they do.

 

[Pete]

Could you briefly clarify which kinds of shows that you've recorded? The ones that involve talking and interaction with the model, or the ones that involve a lot of masturbating? Is it in a private show or group show, or is it a public chat show?

When I used to do this, it was all public shows (hardcore moments)... I don't run audio so there's nothing really to record that would be of much sentimental value.

 

[hornygods]

Ah, I see. So what you were left with could be considered free porn. It's no surprise that it didn't last long - instant gratification only goes so far. It's the memories that are truly valuable, the sexual stuff is just a byproduct.

 

[ZoeyMore]

I had a guy tell me he had been recording all my shows and then try to sell them to me! WTF. Banned forever. Of course I know I'm going to be recorded, the first guy who ever did it gave me the copy, no strings attached, but this other guy. Yeah, not cool to offer to sell them to me. It felt like blackmail.

 

[hornygods]

He tried to sell you your own footage? What in the hell. There's this invention called a 'mirror'...

 

[Jupiter551]

I had a guy tell me he had been recording all my shows and then try to sell them to me! WTF. Banned forever. Of course I know I'm going to be recorded, the first guy who ever did it gave me the copy, no strings attached, but this other guy. Yeah, not cool to offer to sell them to me. It felt like blackmail.

wow o.o

I've never understood what the "average" perv gets out of posting videos online. When there was Megaupload and filesonic etc giving download traffic incentives I think shady webmasters used to use stuff like stolen camgirl videos to generate clicks. Don't know if that's lessened now.

I did see one member admit to XNatashaPinkX that he was and had recorded her, and she went ballistic at him and perma-banned him. They were "friends" and she felt betrayed.

If someone's going to do this I can't see why the hell they would rub them model's nose in it.

 

[Shaun__]

I've never understood what the "average" perv gets out of posting videos online. When there was Megaupload and filesonic etc giving download traffic incentives I think shady webmasters used to use stuff like stolen camgirl videos to generate clicks. Don't know if that's lessened now.

I did see one member admit to XNatashaPinkX that he was and had recorded her, and she went ballistic at him and perma-banned him. They were "friends" and she felt betrayed.

If someone's going to do this I can't see why the hell they would rub them model's nose in it.

It may be a way of gaining power or dominance, in their mind, over the model. I have always believed people, like the video posters and trolls, derive sexual pleasure from this perceived power.

Other people may post them to gain prestige in the poster's online community, or perhaps clicks for ads or something similar.

 

[ComicOzzie]

I had a guy tell me he had been recording all my shows and then try to sell them to me! WTF. Banned forever. Of course I know I'm going to be recorded, the first guy who ever did it gave me the copy, no strings attached, but this other guy. Yeah, not cool to offer to sell them to me. It felt like blackmail.

wow o.o

I've never understood what the "average" perv gets out of posting videos online. When there was Megaupload and filesonic etc giving download traffic incentives I think shady webmasters used to use stuff like stolen camgirl videos to generate clicks. Don't know if that's lessened now.

I did see one member admit to XNatashaPinkX that he was and had recorded her, and she went ballistic at him and perma-banned him. They were "friends" and she felt betrayed.

If someone's going to do this I can't see why the hell they would rub them model's nose in it.

Yeah, I witnessed this. Her rant was mega-epic.

 

[Anonymous]

I did see one member admit to XNatashaPinkX that he was and had recorded her, and she went ballistic at him and perma-banned him. They were "friends" and she felt betrayed.

If someone's going to do this I can't see why the hell they would rub them model's nose in it.

Yup. And if he admitted it in her public chat, I wouldn't be surprised if a basic or two pm'ed him asking "Hey, can you send me that vid?" :roll:

 

[muh!]

It may be a way of gaining power or dominance, in their mind, over the model. I have always believed people, like the video posters and trolls, derive sexual pleasure from this perceived power.

Other people may post them to gain prestige in the poster's online community, or perhaps clicks for ads or something similar.

I think it's because they make money when people download their files.



But your theory is... yeah

 

[Jessi]

People who record us and post it around are assholes who think that what we do isn't worth anything, and that because we're camgirls we lack a right to...I dont know what the word is. Recording people without their consent isnt allowed in most places..but because we're on cam its okay to do that to us.

 

[Trav]

I record the model I visit frequently, because about a year ago a couple of us regulars started making emotes of funny stuff she did on cam. Now there are close to 300 of them(maybe over by now) and it's become a "thing" in her room. :lol:

It's almost always comedic and not sexual. And I'd never post anything I recorded online, as I am not a dick.

 

[BoltEyeAm]

People who record us and post it around are assholes who think that what we do isn't worth anything, and that because we're camgirls we lack a right to...I dont know what the word is. Recording people without their consent isnt allowed in most places..but because we're on cam its okay to do that to us.

I agree with your frusteration but not your reasons. I don't belive the anti recording laws would apply here if they do they would be based on he location of the recorder, I suspect the greatest crime is the copyright infringement.

Also reguarding the 'worth' of your shows. Would you be ok If someone recorded your shows and sold them everywhere while giving you a large portion of the profits? I doubt it, Also you are being recorded because people think your show is worth something not the other way around. Worth watching again at the very least.

To me recording and more importantly sharing your shows is above all disrespectfull. However if someone does not mind disrespecting you they should worry about the negitive effect recording has on your shows and eveyone elses shows and furthermore the copywrite laws they are breaking if they share it.

 

[Jupiter551]

I record the model I visit frequently, because about a year ago a couple of us regulars started making emotes of funny stuff she did on cam. Now there are close to 300 of them(maybe over by now) and it's become a "thing" in her room. :lol:

It's almost always comedic and not sexual. And I'd never post anything I recorded online, as I am not a dick.

Yeah I record a bit of a model's show if she starts doing something I'm going to turn into an emote, but I miss most things by not already having it running. I don't have the hard drive space or the desire to record every second just in case something funny happens tho lol.

But yeah, obviously the model knows you're doing it (emotes don't just spring out of thin air) and trusts you to do it appropriately.

 

[Jessi]

People who record us and post it around are assholes who think that what we do isn't worth anything, and that because we're camgirls we lack a right to...I dont know what the word is. Recording people without their consent isnt allowed in most places..but because we're on cam its okay to do that to us.

I agree with your frusteration but not your reasons. I don't belive the anti recording laws would apply here if they do they would be based on he location of the recorder, I suspect the greatest crime is the copyright infringement.

Also reguarding the 'worth' of your shows. Would you be ok If someone recorded your shows and sold them everywhere while giving you a large portion of the profits? I doubt it, Also you are being recorded because people think your show is worth something not the other way around. Worth watching again at the very least.

To me recording and more importantly sharing your shows is above all disrespectfull. However if someone does not mind disrespecting you they should worry about the negitive effect recording has on your shows and eveyone elses shows and
furthermore the copywrite laws they are breaking if they share it.[/quote ]

Um...I did say it was disrespectful. Are the people making and downloading videos big spenders on the site? And I didn't necessarily try to say that "Its wrong because its illegal" but "Its illegal because its disrespectful" and OF COURSE you cant apply a Canadian law to someone in another country. People who spread model videos dont give a shit whether its illegal OR disrespectful.
And no, Id not be okay with someone spreading videos of me without my consent and then offering me money. Because those recordings are property of MFC, and I dont want to be complicit in copyright infringement, and once they've already spread the videos around and I had no say in the matter of where the videos went.
The point is they had no right to distribute that content for free or profit, because it belongs to MFC. And as a person, I don't like being photographed or recorded by someone I haven't given permission to. But since I get naked on the internet, people feel I deserve that. Yes I expect it to happen, but that doesn't mean it should.

 

[Shaun__]

It may be a way of gaining power or dominance, in their mind, over the model. I have always believed people, like the video posters and trolls, derive sexual pleasure from this perceived power.

Other people may post them to gain prestige in the poster's online community, or perhaps clicks for ads or something similar.

I think it's because they make money when people download their files.



But your theory is... yeah

Some people post them to places places that pay them nothing, so they must have another motive. Unless they just love the thought of men masturbating to their stream captures.

 

[sorrowfool]

It may be a way of gaining power or dominance, in their mind, over the model. I have always believed people, like the video posters and trolls, derive sexual pleasure from this perceived power.

Other people may post them to gain prestige in the poster's online community, or perhaps clicks for ads or something similar.

I think it's because they make money when people download their files.



But your theory is... yeah

Some people post them to places places that pay them nothing, so they must have another motive. Unless they just love the thought of men masturbating to their stream captures.

From what I can tell, they get paid not by the forum they posted the video, but by the file-sharing site that the video is hosted on. So like, FileServe, FileSonic, or Oron will pay them for every referral they send to their website, and probably even more if their video leads to a subscription to their service.

I don't think they have any particular malice towards the models, at most they are indifferent towards what effect it has on the model. Which isn't to say people don't post videos for revenge, but I don't think it's the norm. If anything the posters hate the so called "white knights" that they feel run to the model as soon as the video is posted and tell her to go take it down.

I also don't feel they think the models "deserve" to have their videos posted all over the internet so much as they should "expect" it.

 

[LadyLuna]

I also don't feel they think the models "deserve" to have their videos posted all over the internet so much as they should "expect" it.

I'm sorry , but if you do something that involves another person, you'd better be sure you feel they deserve it. (you being general, not specifically you) Especially if that something you're doing isn't necessary for your survival.

But I get what you're saying. (specific that time, isn't English fun?) After all, I doubt thieves think the guy deserves it most of the time.

To those of you recording people, think about this: how would you feel if your work was being given away for free without your consent?

Also- I wouldn't mind it if they were giving me a cut. As long as neither of us get in trouble for the copyright infringement from the website.

 

[Jessi]

I guess the simple way to phrase it that for me *personally* its a consent issue.