Ashley Madison hack

[gigolo_joe]

I wonder how many tippers of camgirls are married .... And why if their tokens are any better/ worse than those of tippers who do not have any relation going on...

In my small circle of friends on MFC 2 are married and within the last week 2 other users have stated in chat that they are married

 

[Val]

I wonder if MFC will be hacked like that one day

 

[Azhrarn]

Meanwhile in the real world: https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/3ebzzj/i_may_get_stoned_to_death_for_gay_sex_gay_man/

In the real world, someone posting anonymously on a forum isn't "proof" of anything. For example, I'm actually an AI program which was sent to search for intelligent life on Earth from a planet circling Alpha Centauri 300 million years in the future and from a paralllel dimension. So far my search has proved fruitless. (See what I did there?)

In the real world, neither women seeking sugar daddies, nor men seeking sugar babies are going to have any interest in a gay male, and vice versa, so if AM did have an option for "gay men seeking gay men" (the poster provided no screenshots) logic suggests he was being redirected via a portal to the gay website I've already mentioned above.

None of this really has anything to do with the AM hack. It wasn't intended to out or harm gay males. It wasn't even intended to out or harm sugar babies or sugar daddies. As I've posted repeatedly elsewhere, the reason for the hack was fraud, the chief public complaint being that someone who was signed up for the website (possibly without their knowledge) still had to pay a fee to be removed from the database, yet upon payment of said fee their information was still retained. Not directly stated in the "manifesto" but also playing a not insignificant factor is the fact that the overwhelming majority of female profiles were actually faked. Those who signed up for the site were fools who made themselves vulnerable to blackmail or worse, and the only real issue is whether the site was simply committing fraud or was actually an ongoing honeypot operation. The hackers actually performed a public service by shutting it down since it prevents additional fools from signing up and compromising themselves in the future.

The search for intelligent life continues...

 

[Azhrarn]

I wonder if MFC will be hacked like that one day

Whether MFC is hacked, and whether such a hack becomes public knowledge are two separate issues...Hacks don't generally become publicly known unless the attackers choose to deface the website, take it offline, or reveal themselves.

 

[weirdbr]

The latest rumor is that it was an inside job, likely female: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/john-mcafe...one-female-who-worked-avid-life-media-1516833

That's a rumor coming only from 'data' that John Mcafee found... And given his odd history in the last few years, let's just say that his opinions are completely ignored by the security industry in general (a better word would be 'mocked' instead of ignored, to be honest).

 

[Azhrarn]

That's a rumor coming only from 'data' that John Mcafee found... And given his odd history in the last few years, let's just say that his opinions are completely ignored by the security industry in general (a better word would be 'mocked' instead of ignored, to be honest).

Yes, it's a well-known fact that hackers are sheep who stay awake nights worrying about the public opinions of other sheep...

Only sheep concern themselves with ad hominem attacks. Arguments should always be evaluated on their own merits.

 

[weirdbr]

Yes, it's a well-known fact that hackers are sheep who stay awake nights worrying about the public opinions of other sheep...

Only sheep concern themselves with ad hominem attacks. Arguments should always be evaluated on their own merits.

Using your own words ("Arguments should always be evaluated on their own merits"), his theories can be ignored completely - he has yet to share any real data with anyone other than some journalists that have no computer security backgrounds (and he also told them to immediately destroy the data after viewing). Until he shows some real information that can be verified, it will be just like all his previous stories that turned out to be fabrications and/or wild speculations.

 

[David_Lee_Loca]

Just because it's against your morals, it doesn't make it okay to leak personal information to everybody.
For example, in my state, we tried to recall our governor and had to sign a petition-like paper to be able to have the election to make that decision. I signed it. There is now a site up with the full names, phone numbers, and addresses of everyone who signed it. Just because the person posting didn't agree with our morals.
If these people who hacked AM really wanna feel like heroes, they should have gone after sites that do a lot more damage to peoples lives, like child pornography or the sales of large quantities of drugs and/or weapons. There are so many other ways they could have gone about it. Not only that, but now SBs are being outed and that could compromise their safety.
Look, I know cheating sucks, I've experienced it with previous partners before. But there are so many other ways to catch the idiot besides waiting for a big website hack. Especially if they're dumb enough to turn to a website advertising affairs..

 

[Guy]

Just because it's against your morals, it doesn't make it okay to leak personal information to everybody.
For example, in my state, we tried to recall our governor and had to sign a petition-like paper to be able to have the election to make that decision. I signed it. There is now a site up with the full names, phone numbers, and addresses of everyone who signed it. Just because the person posting didn't agree with our morals.
If these people who hacked AM really wanna feel like heroes, they should have gone after sites that do a lot more damage to peoples lives, like child pornography or the sales of large quantities of drugs and/or weapons. There are so many other ways they could have gone about it. Not only that, but now SBs are being outed and that could compromise their safety.
Look, I know cheating sucks, I've experienced it with previous partners before. But there are so many other ways to catch the idiot besides waiting for a big website hack. Especially if they're dumb enough to turn to a website advertising affairs..

I signed that same petition and several months ago I googled myself and a page on a website came up in the search results that showed that I signed the petition. Googled my name again after i saw your post and this time the site did not come up in the search results. Same thing with Bing and Yahoo.

 

[Azhrarn]

Using your own words ("Arguments should always be evaluated on their own merits"), his theories can be ignored completely - he has yet to share any real data with anyone other than some journalists that have no computer security backgrounds (and he also told them to immediately destroy the data after viewing). Until he shows some real information that can be verified, it will be just like all his previous stories that turned out to be fabrications and/or wild speculations.

I'm sure one of these days I'll understand why people enjoy talking out of their ass about things they know absolutely nothing about. But until then please keep posting because your drivel is hilarious. Just make sure to wipe the drool off your chin every once in a while before you drown in it. I've already pointed out that you have absolutely no idea what the security industry thinks of John McAfee, but since you persist in embarrassing yourself, very well, let's continue shall we...

The "data" you're so witlessly referring to is the Ashley Madison data dump itself, which is publicly available to anyone in the world to examine if they so wish. In it there's a folder entitled "ashleymadisondump" and in that you'll find the majority of the documents to which John McAfee was referring, including but not limited to:

Ashley Madison Technology Stack v5(1).docx
ALM Floor Plan - ports and names.pdf
ALM - Corporate Chart.pptx
Avid Org Chart 2015 - May 14.pdf
Copies of Option Agreements.pdf
ALMCLUSTER (production domain) computers.txt

So there you go, compare this list of documents with the article he wrote and you'll see that everything he claims with regards to the contents of the data dump is correct. As for his conclusions, those you aren't in any position to pass judgement on since you have no understanding of the data or general background knowledge upon which his conclusions are based. Now go run along and read some more articles on "puters n stuff" which you also won't have any understanding of, but will pretend that you do. Then after you're done playing around perhaps your mommy can give you some cookies and milk and tuck you into bed.

 

[Azhrarn]

That's a rumor coming only from 'data' that John Mcafee found... And given his odd history in the last few years, let's just say that his opinions are completely ignored by the security industry in general (a better word would be 'mocked' instead of ignored, to be honest).

Oh, and one last thing, this "rumor" started with Noel Biderman, the President and Chief Executive Officer of Avid Life Media (the owners of Ashley Madison).

I'm done here. All you witless children can now rush in with your "facepalm" and "bad troll attempt" like monkeys slinging poo but I have work to do while you children play.

 

[Puffin]

A new turn in events:
Some church leader may resign this Sunday because names surface on Ashley Madison data

 

[marchards]

Just because it's against your morals, it doesn't make it okay to leak personal information to everybody.

That's pretty much the TL;DR on my whole position.

Sometimes things are a bit more complicated that the first thought that hits you about it, you know? Here's an interesting article which argues that the Ashley Madison hack tells us nothing at all other than human relationships can be fragile, and an odd article which argues that the Ashley Madison hack means that women don't like casual sex.

 

[Glitter Luna]

I think it's two completely different things being on MFC and on Ashley Madison. AM is for people interested in actually dating and meeting other people in real life, isn't it? Camgirls provide a fetish. It's online, they're watching and chatting, but we're not looking for relationships with clients.
I think you can't forbid your significant other of watching porn, for example.

I'm new on camming (today was my second show) but on my first day there was a couple watching me together! I thought it was cute.

 

[Azhrarn]

The website was advertised as a place to set up extra-marital affairs. I don't know if the intention was fraudulent from the very beginning, but after a time the owners must have realized that women who are interested in affairs don't have to resort to a website to find partners. So at some point they began fabricating female profiles to keep up the deception. That is when fraud entered the picture in earnest, which was the stated reason for the hack. If you open the plain-text README file in the data dump you find this:


|__ __|_ _| \/ | ____( ) | | | | __ \| |
| | | | | \ / | |__ |/ ___ | | | | |__) | |
| | | | | |\/| | __| / __| | | | | ___/| |
| | _| |_| | | | |____ \__ \ | |__| | | |_|
|_| |_____|_| |_|______| |___/ \____/|_| (_)


Avid Life Media has failed to take down Ashley Madison and Established Men. We have explained the fraud, deceit, and stupidity of ALM and their members. Now everyone gets to see their data.

Find someone you know in here? Keep in mind the site is a scam with thousands of fake female profiles. See ashley madison fake profile lawsuit; 90-95% of actual users are male. Chances are your man signed up on the world's biggest affair site, but never had one. He just tried to. If that distinction matters.

Find yourself in here? It was ALM that failed you and lied to you. Prosecute them and claim damages. Then move on with your life. Learn your lesson and make amends. Embarrassing now, but you'll get over it.

Any data not signed with key 6E50 3F39 BA6A EAAD D81D ECFF 2437 3CD5 74AB AA38 is fake.

[The jumble of lines at the top spells out "Time's Up!" in ASCII art.]

 

[Guy]

The website was advertised as a place to set up extra-marital affairs. I don't know if the intention was fraudulent from the very beginning, but after a time the owners must have realized that women who are interested in affairs don't have to resort to a website to find partners. So at some point they began fabricating female profiles to keep up the deception. That is when fraud entered the picture in earnest, which was the stated reason for the hack. If you open the plain-text README file in the data dump you find this:


|__ __|_ _| \/ | ____( ) | | | | __ \| |
| | | | | \ / | |__ |/ ___ | | | | |__) | |
| | | | | |\/| | __| / __| | | | | ___/| |
| | _| |_| | | | |____ \__ \ | |__| | | |_|
|_| |_____|_| |_|______| |___/ \____/|_| (_)


Avid Life Media has failed to take down Ashley Madison and Established Men. We have explained the fraud, deceit, and stupidity of ALM and their members. Now everyone gets to see their data.

Find someone you know in here? Keep in mind the site is a scam with thousands of fake female profiles. See ashley madison fake profile lawsuit; 90-95% of actual users are male. Chances are your man signed up on the world's biggest affair site, but never had one. He just tried to. If that distinction matters.

Find yourself in here? It was ALM that failed you and lied to you. Prosecute them and claim damages. Then move on with your life. Learn your lesson and make amends. Embarrassing now, but you'll get over it.

Any data not signed with key 6E50 3F39 BA6A EAAD D81D ECFF 2437 3CD5 74AB AA38 is fake.

[The jumble of lines at the top spells out "Time's Up!" in ASCII art.]

Heres a site that reviews fake adult dating websites http://www.datingbusters.com/category/scams/

 

[Azhrarn]

I think you can't forbid your significant other of watching porn, for example.

I'm new on camming (today was my second show) but on my first day there was a couple watching me together! I thought it was cute.

A lot of couples watch porn together, oftentimes because they are looking for ideas to spice up their sex lives, as in role play, costumes, etc.

But don't be surprised if you find some cam girl somewhere telling women they shouldn't allow their boyfriends to watch porn because it's cheating and they ought to be satisfied with their girlfriends only, because quite frankly a lot of cam girls really have no fucking clue what business they're in or what they're doing. Today I saw a video by a twit who shall go nameless, criticizing guys for leaving comments on her wall saying things like (and I'm just making this up), "You're so sexy. I'm going to show this to my girlfriend because I wish she was more like you." And so she then puts up her stupid video telling girls to drop their boyfriends for doing this. And after I stopped roflmfao, I had to repeatedly stop myself from pointing out how hypocritical this is in the context of camming, given that so many cam girls watch other cam girls specifically to steal ideas and to figure out how to make themselves more sexy, including the cam girl who posted the video. So yeah, roflmfao.

 

[Gen]

It is rude to say your girlfriend should be more like someone else. It really has nothing to do with camming?

You seem to be on a grumpy roll though :S

 

[Azhrarn]

It is rude to say your girlfriend should be more like someone else. It really has nothing to do with camming?

You seem to be on a grumpy roll though :S

Reading comprehension ftw.

"A lot of couples watch porn together, oftentimes because they are looking for ideas to spice up their sex lives, as in role play, costumes, etc."

A cam girl reading a comment on a wall really doesn't have any context to understand said comment, without knowing both people in the relationship, the nature of the relationship itself, and why they are interested in MFC. So to make a blanket statement that people you've never even met should change their lives and end their relationship just because of your ignorant assumptions is really quite arrogant. Not to mention ungrateful given that the comments were meant as compliments, and hypocritical given that women are notorious for doing the exact same thing.

If she really felt the comments were out of line, it would have been much better to say something like, "hey, i appreciate the sentiment, but I'm sure your girlfriend has some great qualities of her own" and left it at that. But see, this gets back to the point I was making about a lot of cam girls literally not having a fucking clue what business they're in. Sorry to have to spell this out for you, but a lot of guys enter your chat rooms specifically because they are unhappy in their relationships and want to forget about their girlfriends and wives for a while. They are looking for a fantasy, and you as cam girls/performers are supposed to provide that fantasy and that distraction. It's not your job to lecture guys on how to treat their girlfriends. If that's what you want to do, then get out of camming and become counselors.

 

[Gen]

I'm in school to be a counsellor

There's no need to be so aggressive and condescending in your replies, btw. I disagree with your point but regardless insulting me and being rude was unnecessary.

Anyway. I disagree that anyone should have to respond in the way you deem appropriate. For example I get a lot of guys saying things like "finally, a real woman, too many skinny girls with no curves on this site, etc". Maybe it would be more of a ~fantasy~ to just say "teehee thanks" but I would rather say "hey, it's not a competition, you can compliment me without putting down other girls, but thank you!"

Camgirls, to me, can be a fantasy but that doesn't mean having no opinions or values or speaking up about things that bother us.

 

[gingerhobbit]

That's a rumor coming only from 'data' that John Mcafee found... And given his odd history in the last few years, let's just say that his opinions are completely ignored by the security industry in general (a better word would be 'mocked' instead of ignored, to be honest).

Completely off topic, but do I remember correctly that McAfee is the suspect in a homicide in Belize or somewhere?

As far as employees compiling fake female profiles, I don't know about AM specifically, but I have seen many, many jobs like that posted on a couple of sites where I pick up writing gigs.

Most of them just say they represent 'a dating website' and that they're looking for freelancers to write profiles and to chat with other users on the site. Basically, paid catfish.

 

[Azhrarn]

I'm in school to be a counsellor

There's no need to be so aggressive and condescending in your replies, btw. I disagree with your point but regardless insulting me and being rude was unnecessary.

Anyway. I disagree that anyone should have to respond in the way you deem appropriate. For example I get a lot of guys saying things like "finally, a real woman, too many skinny girls with no curves on this site, etc". Maybe it would be more of a ~fantasy~ to just say "teehee thanks" but I would rather say "hey, it's not a competition, you can compliment me without putting down other girls, but thank you!"

Camgirls, to me, can be a fantasy but that doesn't mean having no opinions or values or speaking up about things that bother us.

You disagree with which point, specifically?

Let me ask you this. What is so horrible about accepting a compliment? What is so terrible about accepting the fact that people have individual preferences? Is the world really going to end because some guy says "Hey, finally a real woman with curves!" and you respond "Well, thanks!" Or to put this another way, suppose you're on a date with a guy, or just out socially with a guy, and he says the same thing, "Hey, a real woman with curves!" Are you really going to respond by saying, "Hey, it's not a competition, you can compliment me without putting down other girls."

 

[Gen]

Of course the world isn't going to end. I love compliments! I just happen to think that women are always put into a competition that we don't agree to/ask for. For example, saying "Taylor Swift is hotter than Selena Gomez" - it's completely unnecessary to say anything about the comparison, when you could just say "Taylor Swift is hot".

Personally I don't feel very complimented when someone is subsequently putting someone else down. It may seem like a small deal to you, but it's important to me, so I do it - if that's a boner killer, I'm fine with that.

And absolutely I do say the same in real life. I try not to make someone feel bad if the intention is good but I don't want to be complicit in them putting down someone else's appearance, especially behind their back. I don't think it's a rude or unbelievable response on my part.

 

[Azhrarn]

@GenXoxo - I think it's really sad that people are so concerned about being "politically correct" these days that even a simple compliment becomes a matter for disagreement and controversy. Beauty is always subjective. If I say Taylor Swift is hot; it's understood I think she's hotter than other women, including Selena Gomez, otherwise I would have named some other woman. And what is wrong with that? Are we no longer allowed to have our own feelings, our own preferences?

So what is next? I'm not allowed to give a woman a compliment anymore because some other woman might feel slighted or left out? I guess pretty soon men won't even be allowed to ask women out, because dating is inherently discriminatory, puts women into competition and might hurt some other woman's feelings?

@gingerhobbit - McAfee has stated he was falsely accused of murder in an extortion attempt, but I'm no expert on his life history. My concern with him lies in Future Tense Central, his new company, and D-Central which I think may have been banned before it went into production. And just for lulz: John McAffee Tells All / Raw

 

[JoleneBrody]

Is the world really going to end if you compliment someone without putting down another?

 

[Azhrarn]

Is the world really going to end if you compliment someone without putting down another?

Stating a preference or acknowledging a personal quality is not putting someone else down. "Hey, I love your blonde hair" is not putting someone else down. "Hey, I love girls with curves" is not putting someone else down. We are moving into a very frightening, very Orwellian world, when people start getting offended over compliments to someone else. I would suggest you read up on that nutcase who shot the two reporters in Virginia. He's a perfect example of someone who got offended over literally nothing.

 

[Gen]

You're exaggerating the situation, as well as assuming this has anything to do with ~PC culture~. Not even sure where that's coming from but alright.

If I say "Jolene is hot", that means I think she's hot. It's not comparative at all. I can say "pizza is delicious" and that doesn't mean I think it's more delicious than pasta.

Of course you can have preferences, literally nothing I said indicates you can't. What I said is that there's no need to add a putdown to a compliment.

Anyway, you can do whatever you want however you want. Nobody is saying you can't, saying you won't be "allowed" is just being silly. Just don't act like I'm somehow victimizing men for saying it's rude to be unnecessarily comparative. If you absolutely must make comparative "compliments", go for it, just do so knowing it makes a lot of people feel shitty, including the person you're intending to compliment. So your intention, and compliment, may fall flat. So it goes, life goes on.

 

[Gen]

Stating a preference or acknowledging a personal quality is not putting someone else down. "Hey, I love your blonde hair" is not putting someone else down. "Hey, I love girls with curves" is not putting someone else down. We are moving into a very frightening, very Orwellian world, when people start getting offended over compliments to someone else. I would suggest you read up on that nutcase who shot the two reporters in Virginia. He's a perfect example of someone who got offended over literally nothing.

My examples was a comparison such as "finally, a real woman, too many skinny girls with no curves on this site, etc". The point is that they define what they don't like within the compliment, which is unnecessary.

How about that reading comprehension just teasing ya.

 

[JerryBoBerry]

At some point I've given up trying to even take his posts seriously. I just start reading them with the thought of which one of these i'm going to rate them.

 

[Azhrarn]

My examples was a comparison such as "finally, a real woman, too many skinny girls with no curves on this site, etc". The point is that they define what they don't like within the compliment, which is unnecessary.

How about that reading comprehension just teasing ya.

You're making false comparisons. I can have an omelette for breakfast, pizza for lunch, pasta for dinner. No one cares. I can't however date 3 girls in one day, or even compliment 3 women in one workplace without getting into a whole lot of trouble.

As I said before, beauty is subjective. If I compliment one woman, even if it's not a comparative compliment, it's still understood that I am comparing the woman I complimented with other women. It's unavoidable. If I choose to speak to one woman, to give her my time and attention, I'm simultaneously not giving my time and attention (and compliments) to other women.

To make this more immediate, you can't have multiple favorite cam girls on MFC. You can browse and lurk in multiple rooms sure but once a cam girl is accustomed to your time and attention, it's very very hard for her to accept you spending significant time and tokens in another cam girls room. See how far you get if you try to explain to a cam girl that your giving tokens and attention to some other cam girl isn't comparative.