Am I misunderstanding the freeloader issue?

[RebeccaT]

I'm seeing a lot of tweets, blogs etc lately complaining about freeloaders...far, far more than usual.

If a model does a show in free chat there will be viewers watching for free. I don't understand why the models who don't like this blame the non-payers instead of doing only group or private shows.

If you find it more enjoyable to perform in free chat then you have to accept the non-payers.

Am I simplifying this too much?

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Meh, I'd say that's about right. A lot of time too...models will say perform in free chat because if done right, it can/will mean more tips. Problems are members thinking that she gets tipped more because she reached a show, members thinking that just because there are a ton of viewers thinking she must be making money when she isn't. There are also members who are more into one-on-one and can't get into a show where the model isn't giving them her full attention (and frankly perhaps feeling less like watching amateur solo porn due to her interacting with them vs trying to keep up with the room/only interacting with tippers/ignoring everyone in chat while doing the show).

 

[SaffronBurke]

I usually see "freeloaders" used to reference the people who ask for stuff without tipping, like the "show ass bb" guys, or the ones who will ask a bunch of questions about your preferences or what you offer in private, or the ones who try to pull you into a discussion about their fetish, with the intention of getting enough information from the conversation to get off without paying.

I'm probably following the right people and not seeing the freeloader references you're talking about.

 

[Ann_Sulu]

Also want to add that I don't see it so much in tweets by models, but honestly I believe I've seen more members complain about "freeloaders" than models making assumptions that if the guy isn't tipping in free chat he's a "freeloader" without even considering he may want to be there to support her with chat and buy clips from her clip site or whatever. Fully agree with @SaffronBurke on the definition of freeloader though.

 

[yummybrownfox]

I'm seeing a lot of tweets, blogs etc lately complaining about freeloaders...far, far more than usual.

If a model does a show in free chat there will be viewers watching for free. I don't understand why the models who don't like this blame the non-payers instead of doing only group or private shows.

If you find it more enjoyable to perform in free chat then you have to accept the non-payers.

I agree. If public chat viewers watching for free infuriates a model, then you'd wonder why she just doesn't save the dildo-riding, etc. for groups and privates??? If you're gonna log off MFC pissed off about freeloaders enjoying your show that YOU decided to make public, then what could you start doing differently in the future? Maybe save all that stuff for the PAID chat modes of group and/or private. Some models end up moving over to private-based cam sites instead where there is less of a "freeloader" issue.

As for the tweets...I recently saw a tweet where a model tweeted about her Clips4Sale video, and I think one of her followers announced that he's jerking off to the free animated GIF of her clip. Understandably, she got annoyed and told him he could BUY her clip instead of fapping to the free preview. Or a cam girl will tweet that she's now online, and a follower may tweet back to her "Send me a nude pic, sexy." Smh.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

When I think of freeloaders I think of the people I see in my room night after night after night and NEVER tipping or talking...unless to ask for something.

To be honest I wouldn't even notice "freeloaders" in my room during a show. Unless they make themselvws obvious by asking for something...You know?

 

[fandango]

On MFC I have no idea if it's increased or not but recently I have definitely noticed it more since they introduced the feature where people who have tipped are moved to the top of the room member list. Just as an example I peeked in MissMolly's room as she's the most popular model on the top row at the moment and she currently has 1306 people in her room but only 5 tippers. Thats a pretty bad ratio of freeloaders to paying members. It has probably always been like this but MFC highlighting it was a pretty bad move IMO.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

On MFC I have no idea if it's increased or not but recently I have definitely noticed it more since they introduced the feature where people who have tipped are moved to the top of the room member list. Just as an example I peeked in MissMolly's room as she's the most popular model on the top row at the moment and she currently has 1306 people in her room but only 5 tippers. Thats a pretty bad ratio of freeloaders to paying members. It has probably always been like this but MFC highlighting it was a pretty bad move IMO.

Yep. As a model (I don't complain) I can understand why some girls do. These girls are not complaining because they want more tokens (as their counts are set...so they end up with the same either way). They complain because it's so irritating to see the same people in our rooms carry the load night after night. There have been nights when I told all my regs to stop tipping at the tail end of the count down...and I told everyone in the room that the show wasn't happening unless new people finished the count. It's not fair to my loyal regs to constantly carry the load for everyone else.

 

[shylurkerdude]

and I told everyone in the room that the show wasn't happening unless new people finished the count. It's not fair to my loyal regs to constantly carry the load for everyone else.

she currently has 1306 people in her room but only 5 tippers. Thats a pretty bad ratio of freeloaders to paying members. It has probably always been like this but MFC highlighting it was a pretty bad move IMO.

Freeloaders might get a free show but the show isn't free!!! Some members paid for it and if you are one of them it is hard not be resentful towards the names you see in the room all the time and never tip!!! So it isn't only models who can have an issue with freeloading.

 

[mynameisbob84]

On MFC I have no idea if it's increased or not but recently I have definitely noticed it more since they introduced the feature where people who have tipped are moved to the top of the room member list. Just as an example I peeked in MissMolly's room as she's the most popular model on the top row at the moment and she currently has 1306 people in her room but only 5 tippers. Thats a pretty bad ratio of freeloaders to paying members. It has probably always been like this but MFC highlighting it was a pretty bad move IMO.

I think it's been that way for as long as I've been a member at least. Percentage-wise, the top models probably have fewer members tip them than the models further on down the page. They obviously have more members tipping them overall because they have a higher room count owing their placement on the front page and likely have a group of dependable high-tipping members as well, but in a room with 500-1000 members in it, the model would be lucky if more than 1% of them were tipping members.

I think that's the way the site is intended to operate though - a percentage of a percentage of a high volume of members regularly tipping an astronomical amount of tokens to a small percentage of models is probably more valuable to MFC than a higher percentage of a smaller volume of members tipping smaller amounts to a higher percentage of models.

 

[justjoinedtopost]

Freeloader came and tipped very little long long ago. Visits regularly and says hi, just so the model will see he is there and his cam is broadcasting (hoping, I suspect, she will watch it for free). Comes in again, announces his presence by exclaiming that the model is his favorite on the site. This annoyed me so bad I offered to tip to have him banned. Part of it was the fact he was coming in for months offering lewd flattery without tipping, and part of it was the cam; looked like he was jerking off on the set of Sanford and Son.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Freeloaders might get a free show but the show isn't free!!! Some members paid for it and if you are one of them it is hard not be restful towards the names you see in the room all the time and never tip!!! So it isn't only models who can have an issue with freeloading.

Exactly. I knew my regs would finish the 300 tokens...so it wasn't about me. It was about them. It's just not fair for them.

Everyone has more fun when new people are tipping and talking. This is why I really do appreciate every single token. Some people don't tip because they only have 1...or 5...or 10 tokens. They don't realize that those 10 tokens are appreciated and important to a girls success and mood. Those "little" amounts really add up and help to reduce the burden on regulars...who...to be honest don't care as much about the "final show" as they do about hanging out and supporting their girl.

 

[Nordling]

I think the freeloaders that infuriate the most are those that never tip or buy anything but fill the chat stream with idiotic comments.

I don't think a model should have to resort to groups or privates just because she's complaining about freeloaders...I think it may help her release tension. Complaining is therapeutic! lol

 

[yummybrownfox]

he was coming in for months offering lewd flattery without tipping, and part of it was the cam; looked like he was jerking off on the set of Sanford and Son.

 

[JickyJuly]

I think you can work within a system and still be annoyed by some components. No one needs to concede that members shouldn't contribute for a show just because they don't have to. And models don't have to be emotionless sex robots handing out free shows just because they choose to work on MFC and embrace public chat. Is complaining about "freeloaders" productive? Probably not. Is complaining about other models complaining about freeloaders productive? Definitely not. If you think the freeloaders are somehow won over by a welcoming attitude, you're certainly wrong. They're not going to give you a nickel or a gold star for not admonishing them. There's zero benefit to you for this thread.

 

[MojitosJourney]

I might be one of those people who referenced freeloaders.

I think the flow of give and take is unbalanced on myfreecams and other similar sites.

Some people tip too much, and go into serious debt, just so their fav models can meet their goals and pay their bills. This could be avoided if everyone else watching tipped. Entertaining a room, even if you're not doing a cum show, is still something you're giving to your audience, so when many regulars don't tip, night after night... That's when the "freeloader bitterness" can set in.

My dream cam site lets you watch a model in free chat for 5 min, and if you think what she is doing is interesting, entertaining, or hot... You pay a dollar to watch her for an hour. You can tip extra for tip menu items once you're part of her room.
Models with 1000 viewers would not sit there, untipped for thirty minutes, or have to go offline because they had huge viewership and no tips. They would be paid well and the pay would be evenly distributed amongst everyone rather than just a few members bearing the whole weight of it.

Someone wanna make this fantasy site for me or make it with me? Or does it exist already?

 

[HiGirlsRHot]

Also want to add that I don't see it so much in tweets by models, but honestly I believe I've seen more members complain about "freeloaders" than models making assumptions that if the guy isn't tipping in free chat he's a "freeloader" without even considering he may want to be there to support her with chat and buy clips from her clip site or whatever. Fully agree with @SaffronBurke on the definition of freeloader though.

Many of us do, (although I've gone from being getting pissed off on a regular basis to uttering the Serenity Prayer "God, give us the serenity to accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the difference.) . I think the reason is there is a fairly small number of us contributing way more than our fair share. I think to a large extent as long as model makes a goal she is reasonably happy.

I believe that most models would really prefer that tipping was more balanced, and the ratio of tippers to viewers was far better. However, let's say you have a low goal of 4,000 tokens and high goal of 8,000 tokens. Which day would make you happier 20 tippers each tipping you 200 tokens for 4,000 tokens, or 1 member spending $600 and tipping you 7,575 tokens and 3 other members tipping, the remaining 425 tokens to get to 8,000? If this went on for a solid week, how would you feel?

 

[NerdieBirdie]

For the most part when I refer to freeloaders, I am referring to people who are repeat offenders, constantly sitting in my room for day after day, but don't acknowledge me when I say hi or message them. I used to ban people like that after 3 or 4 times of me typing hello and getting ignored. Now I "kick" them from the room and if the immediately return but say nothing, its a lifetime ban. Some have been coming back because they realize it means say hi or maybe throw 10 tokens down. Its just the rules of my chatroom. In my chatroom I expect basic acknowledge of me if you choose to return to my room more than 2 times for an extended period of time. Obviously the guy is getting something from the experience for returning so I expect a simple hello or I'd rather him not be there at all.

 

[MFCuser]

With the models I frequent the main members they have issues with are the ones they see in the rooms day after day, show or no show, and who never say or tip anything, particularly if they can see they have tokens. There is just no excuse.

 

[NerdieBirdie]

With the models I frequent the main members they have issues with are the ones they see in the rooms day after day, show or no show, and who never say or tip anything, particularly if they can see they have tokens. There is just no excuse.

YESS I didn't hit on that, SUPER hurtful to my confidence when the person sitting in my room alllllll the time never saying anything HAS FUCKING VISIBLE TOKENS!!! EVEN WORSE WHEN THEY ARE TIPPING, YOU SEE TOKENS GOING DOWN, BUT THEY AREN'T TO YOU! Ugh. Clearly having flasbacks as I type this. lol

 

[RebeccaT]

Thank you, everyone. I see now that we all have a different definition of freeloaders and that there are different levels of freeloading, too!

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Many of us do, (although I've gone from being getting pissed off on a regular basis to uttering the Serenity Prayer "God, give us the serenity to accept what cannot be changed, the courage to change what can be changed, and the wisdom to know the difference.) . I think the reason is there is a fairly small number of us contributing way more than our fair share. I think to a large extent as long as model makes a goal she is reasonably happy.

I believe that most models would really prefer that tipping was more balanced, and the ratio of tippers to viewers was far better. However, let's say you have a low goal of 4,000 tokens and high goal of 8,000 tokens. Which day would make you happier 20 tippers each tipping you 200 tokens for 4,000 tokens, or 1 member spending $600 and tipping you 7,575 tokens and 3 other members tipping, the remaining 425 tokens to get to 8,000? If this went on for a solid week, how would you feel?

As a model I can say I definitely prefer more "random" tippers. It is VERY scary and gives me great anxiety to rely on 1 high tipper. People leave MFC all the time for various reasons and this is why I never complain that I don't have "high tippers".

 

[subgavin]

For the record, I felt very slightly bad* about the guy who got burned out for freeloading on the "why do members insist on being room helpers" thread the other week. I'm sure it would have happened just the same without me, and I just happened to be first on the scene and the first to drop the f word on him after the post in question. But I only did so because he set up the gag perfectly, rather than because I really intended to be looking like I was complaining about the concept.

If you're doing public shows (or if you're one of the members tipping for them) then freeloaders are just part of the gig, and if they're an annoyance it doesn't mean you have to throw out a business model that might nonetheless be successful. (And I might be wrong here, but I imagine that none of the models who base everything on private shows are able to earn as much as the very top earners on mfc.) On the other hand, that doesn't mean it's unreasonable to feel grumpy or have a moan about them on such occasions as things might not be going so well. Such is life.

[* When I say "very slightly" I mean hardly at all. And I got over it very quickly.]