The 'is interracial porn racist' thread

Thank you Jupiter lol it was getting irritating seeing only that in in the other thread.

Jupiter551 said:

A lot of the interracial porn that I've seen though is pretty racist in its overtones. Ever notice how all the black dudes look like they're gangbangers? Or the pornstar using the "N" word at them during sex, or the fact it has to be the pristine, blonde white girl getting 'ravaged' by the rough black men. A lot of it is based on the concept of defilement, and that only becomes apparent when you realise how deeply rooted in psychological, systemic racism a large proportion of the 'fetish' is.

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You make a good point. And I agree with it. But I will here confess that I thoroughly enjoy whitegirl/black guy porn, which may or may not fit the official "Interracial" category. There is a hyper-masculine, aggressive stereotype of black men that runs very deep in American culture (and probably worldwide culture), and such stereotypes clearly are forms of racism, with terrible origins. I will here further confess that I kinda enjoy playing on that stereotype. Hyper-masculinity and aggression are sexy to me.

I can only conclude that this makes me a bit racist, even if I am pre-judging black men as hella manly sexy. Still a prejudice. (Luckily for me, the objects of this prejudice tend not to mind.)

As I said in the other thread, I don't necessarily believe interracial porn is necessarily racist as much as it is definitely in the exploitation category.

Most current interracial porn, especially the more amateur interracial porn goes like this:

Black man or men, all very muscular, over 6' tall, all with dicks no smaller than 7"-8" long and at least 3" wide when erect.

Caucasian, Asian, Latino or mixed race girl, often petite (4'10"-5'-1" or so), very tight vagina. Their small size helps make the black cocks look even bigger in their hands, mouths and vaginas (and sometimes asses).

Girl ends up getting rammed by a dick (or dicks in the case of gang bang scenes) that goes well past her belly button if he were to lay it on her. Often hard, with very little time to let her get used to the size. They also end up choking the girl by ramming the large cocks down their throats.

Descriptions often mention 'watch her get split in half' or something.

This isn't to say all interracial porn is like this, but the majority of it seems to fall into this mode.

So, the exploitation aspect is there... but the exploitation goes both ways.

Obviously, for the girls involved, they're being exploited by the porn company by having cocks that may be bigger than any cocks they've ever had before jammed into them as hard as possible.

But the black male actors are also being exploited by continuing the stereotype of 'all black men have huge cocks' and that 'black men love to ravage white/non-black women'. But, do the men care about being exploited, or are they just happy they get to fuck a hot chick and have video proof of it?

I remember there was one website, Monsters of Cock, not even sure if it is still around. But it wasn't always just black guys and non-black girls. They had white guys with big dicks, and anyone else who happened to have a big schlong. But the girls were, almost unilaterally, petite girls who basically needed to two hand the cocks because of how small their hands are. The smaller the girl, the bigger the cock looks. But Monsters of Cock was almost always about exploiting the girls, through humiliation and other means. I think it was a Bang Bros. site. And exploitation/humiliation was kind of Bang Bros.' thing (Bang Bus, etc.)

But, exploitation, humiliation, etc. is a HUGE market in the porn industry. It plays on many fantasies men have about being super dominant in the bedroom, even if the guys who watch it can't ever bring themselves to be that dominant IRL.

I like good porn as much as the next guy. But I'm not into the humiliation aspect as much. There's a difference between dirty talk and playing somewhat dominant and downright humiliation of the girl (gagging her, fingers pulling her mouth, etc.). Some girls are into that, though, and that's why they do those films. And that's why I stay away from most interracial porn; it too often falls into the exploitation/humilation porn that I don't need to get off when I watch porn.

UncleThursday said:

But, do the men care about being exploited, or are they just happy they get to fuck a hot chick and have video proof of it?

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In the spirit of discussion, I very much feel that the two options are not limited to "I care that I am encouraging racial stereotypes" and "who gives a darn about that, I get to fuck bitches and people will know so!"

Basically what I said in the WTF thread. Refusing to fuck people of a certain race, is racist if it's because you don't find that race attractive as a whole.
Refusing to fuck an individual of a different race is not racist.
Refusing to fuck different races because the porno itself will be racist is not racist.
It's a job. If I refused to go to private with a certain race, that would indeed make me racist. However, I can choose not to go with an individual.
If a store had a sign that read, "no blacks allowed, not our preference." There would be problems. But if a store refused to serve someone of a different race because they were rude, not wearing shoes, or things like that, that would be fine.
If you discriminate against other races, porn, stripping, camming, etc. is not for you.
Also, I want to state again, it's impossible to find a whole race unattractive if you haven't seen every single person from that race. You might say, "I USUALLY don't find ___ attractive." but to say, "All ____ are ugly." Is just ignorant.

I don't understand how it's racist if you don't find people of a particular race attractive, it's not something you have a huge amount of control over & you don't really tend to go round fucking people you're not attracted too.

RochelleUK said:

I don't understand how it's racist if you don't find people of a particular race attractive, it's not something you have a huge amount of control over & you don't really tend to go round fucking people you're not attracted too.

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I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

Nordling said:

I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

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Yep of course, there may still be people you find attractive within that race just may not find the majority of people you come across attractive. Therefore it's easier to say you're not attracted to the race rather than explain the situation every single time!!

RochelleUK said:

Nordling said:

I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

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Yep of course, there may still be people you find attractive within that race just may not find the majority of people you come across attractive. Therefore it's easier to say you're not attracted to the race rather than explain the situation every single time!!

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I suppose, although if you avoid saying you're not attracted to a particular group, and stick with individuals, folks are less likely to give you a fishy look. I mean, if you find the situation coming up SOOO often that it becomes an annoyance, maybe it'd be better to be in another line of work.

Nordling said:

RochelleUK said:

Nordling said:

I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

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Yep of course, there may still be people you find attractive within that race just may not find the majority of people you come across attractive. Therefore it's easier to say you're not attracted to the race rather than explain the situation every single time!!

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I suppose, although if you avoid saying you're not attracted to a particular group, and stick with individuals, folks are less likely to give you a fishy look. I mean, if you find the situation coming up SOOO often that it becomes an annoyance, maybe it'd be better to be in another line of work.

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Although at that point you could just say you did interracial porn or whatever & carry on. On the other hand I saw a girl who advertised herself as an interracial escort the other day & thought that it has to be more trouble than it's worth.

RochelleUK said:

Nordling said:

I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

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Yep of course, there may still be people you find attractive within that race just may not find the majority of people you come across attractive. Therefore it's easier to say you're not attracted to the race rather than explain the situation every single time!!

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Saying "I don't usually find ____ people attractive." is a LOT different than saying, "I refuse to work with ____ people."

PlayboyMegan said:

RochelleUK said:

Nordling said:

I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

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Yep of course, there may still be people you find attractive within that race just may not find the majority of people you come across attractive. Therefore it's easier to say you're not attracted to the race rather than explain the situation every single time!!

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Saying "I don't usually find ____ people attractive." is a LOT different than saying, "I refuse to work with ____ people."

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Yes, although both indicate a deep dislike for people of __________ group...and that's what bigotry is. I just cannot believe anyone could find the "majority" of any group to be "unattractive" without some major issues going on, because the diversity exists in that majority.

Nordling said:

PlayboyMegan said:

RochelleUK said:

Nordling said:

I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

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Yep of course, there may still be people you find attractive within that race just may not find the majority of people you come across attractive. Therefore it's easier to say you're not attracted to the race rather than explain the situation every single time!!

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Saying "I don't usually find ____ people attractive." is a LOT different than saying, "I refuse to work with ____ people."

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Yes, although both indicate a deep dislike for people of __________ group...and that's what bigotry is. I just cannot believe anyone could find the "majority" of any group to be "unattractive" without some major issues going on, because the diversity exists in that majority.

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I can understand this because I don't find the majority of white men attractive. But I am not racist against white people. Hell, I'm white, myself! But my bf is white and I do find him very attractive and my celeb crush is white (Jason Statham). But before my bf I had never dated a white man. But if I refused to date white guys, I would have never met my soulmate. People who see skin color are only giving themselves disadvantages.

Nordling said:

PlayboyMegan said:

RochelleUK said:

Nordling said:

I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

Click to expand...

Yep of course, there may still be people you find attractive within that race just may not find the majority of people you come across attractive. Therefore it's easier to say you're not attracted to the race rather than explain the situation every single time!!

Click to expand...

Saying "I don't usually find ____ people attractive." is a LOT different than saying, "I refuse to work with ____ people."

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Yes, although both indicate a deep dislike for people of __________ group...and that's what bigotry is. I just cannot believe anyone could find the "majority" of any group to be "unattractive" without some major issues going on, because the diversity exists in that majority.

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I have to disagree. I don't usually find men attractive. Not because I have a deep dislike of men, but simply because I'm not attracted to them. Physically speaking, certain ethnicities have certain features. People may find these features unattractive and therefor are not generally attracted to that ethnic group. I think the racial bias comes into play when the reasons given have to do with supposed stereotypes.

As to the porn being racist? Yea, it probably is- because it's playing on the fantasy. Very little about porn is subtle. Porn is like theater where everything is exaggerated and stylized. If you take it too seriously, you're doing it wrong. Not all interracial is "big black thug" gang bang. But apparently, that's a hot seller right now.

Sexual orientation is not equivalent to race-based bias. I believe we get our sexual orientation very early in life, possibly even genetically...or at least a major influence. Shunning ALL of a racial group because you "don't find them attractive" is a cop out, when one considers the enormous diversity among the majority of all human types.

lordmagellan said:

Nordling said:

PlayboyMegan said:

RochelleUK said:

Nordling said:

I guess I'd almost agree... if everyone from a particular race looked alike.


But they don't. There's huge variability within all human groups.

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Yep of course, there may still be people you find attractive within that race just may not find the majority of people you come across attractive. Therefore it's easier to say you're not attracted to the race rather than explain the situation every single time!!

Click to expand...

Saying "I don't usually find ____ people attractive." is a LOT different than saying, "I refuse to work with ____ people."

Click to expand...

Yes, although both indicate a deep dislike for people of __________ group...and that's what bigotry is. I just cannot believe anyone could find the "majority" of any group to be "unattractive" without some major issues going on, because the diversity exists in that majority.

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I have to disagree. I don't usually find men attractive. Not because I have a deep dislike of men, but simply because I'm not attracted to them. Physically speaking, certain ethnicities have certain features. People may find these features unattractive and therefor are not generally attracted to that ethnic group. I think the racial bias comes into play when the reasons given have to do with supposed stereotypes.

As to the porn being racist? Yea, it probably is- because it's playing on the fantasy. Very little about porn is subtle. Porn is like theater where everything is exaggerated and stylized. If you take it too seriously, you're doing it wrong. Not all interracial is "big black thug" gang bang. But apparently, that's a hot seller right now.

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All men have dicks. That's a pretty positive trait that if you don't like dicks, I get it.
But not all black people have big lips. Not all Asians have small eyes. So if you say, "I generally don't find ____ attractive." fine. But to say you don't find ANY of them attractive??? Impossible. You haven't seen them all.

Nordling said:

Sexual orientation is not equivalent to race-based bias. I believe we get our sexual orientation very early in life, possibly even genetically...or at least a major influence. Shunning ALL of a racial group because you "don't find them attractive" is a cop out, when one considers the enormous diversity among the majority of all human types.

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As Amber will not be moving the posts from the other thread, here's what I wrote there about my thoughts on the subject. If you've already read this post, feel free to skip it, since I have nothing new to add.

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on the topic of racist or not porn stars, I think this has to do with WHY they won't do the interracial stuff. If they won't because of their fan-base, not racist. If they won't because they don't like how racist the interracial porn is, not racist. If they won't because the plotlines of those sorts of films completely contradict what their image is based off of, not racist. If they won't because it means they'll have to work with a black man, racist.

On the subject of personal preferences, what I'm about to say may offend some people, so I apologize in advance. My intention is not to offend anyone, but that's impossible when we're talking about personal preferences.

For watching sex, the only time I like watching interracial is when it's two people who are obviously very in love. It's not because it's interracial that I like watching it, I just love watching people make love. But, for the most part, I prefer to see the two people have a somewhat similar skin color. I mean, within a few shades. Why? To me, it's really jarring to look at black skin next to white skin. It almost hurts my mind. It's not the people, I have the same problem looking at zebras, (though weirdly, not at white tigers...). I have the same problem when I see black and white next to each other in the center of the color wheel. It's not that I'm offended by it, or that I hate it, it's just that the contrast of seeing two opposites is such a distraction to me that I'm not capable of enjoying what I'm watching.

On the subject of what I find beautiful- it's not the color of their skin, it's the shape of their nose. And it's not just black people whose noses I find distracting. There are some white noses that just make me rule that person out. I know I'd spend all of my time staring at it trying to figure out what it would feel like to have a nose shaped like that. There are plenty of black men out there without that smooshed nose who I find very beautiful indeed. And honestly, I would sleep with one, because I'm not watching myself have sex with them, so I wouldn't have that issue of seeing the skin-on-skin be so... weird.

One bit of weirdness. I had a roommate from Cameroon in high school. I was... fascinated. Not because I thought she was a strange creature. Just because I didn't have much contact with people outside my own race before. And she had the nose thing going on, and I was completely enthralled with the fact that her snot was green. Not that it surprised me, but that it looked like neon green against her skin.

Talking about her was when I had that whole "My roommate is black, and very tall." "you don't say that, you say African-American." "But she's not American! She grew up in Cameroon!" "Well, African then." "But there's white Africans too!" conversation.

One last thing- people from different cultures smell different. It's probably to do with diet, cause her smell became more like mine by the end of the school year. But, well, it's not just different countries that have very different diets. Rich people, Middle class people, working poor, and poor people, each of those have different smells, because of how they eat. My roommate from Cameroon had a different smell than my roommate from Nepal did. My middle-class family has a different smell from my working-poor friends, and a different smell from my almost-rich family. But the smell of people from a different country is more different than the smell of people from a different economic class. Most people, I think, can't even tell the difference between economic classes by the smell (except the very rich and the homeless, but that has more to do with bathing and perfume than the actual body-odors). But the difference when it's a person from a different country is something that most people pick up on real quick. And what we smell affects us more than we realize. I think this has a lot to do with the origins of racism, and why, when people meet those from a different culture or country for the first time, they might react very badly.

Anyway, there's my candid thoughts on race and racism. Again, I apologize to anyone I've offended.

PlayboyMegan said:

lordmagellan said:

I have to disagree. I don't usually find men attractive. Not because I have a deep dislike of men, but simply because I'm not attracted to them. Physically speaking, certain ethnicities have certain features. People may find these features unattractive and therefor are not generally attracted to that ethnic group. I think the racial bias comes into play when the reasons given have to do with supposed stereotypes.

As to the porn being racist? Yea, it probably is- because it's playing on the fantasy. Very little about porn is subtle. Porn is like theater where everything is exaggerated and stylized. If you take it too seriously, you're doing it wrong. Not all interracial is "big black thug" gang bang. But apparently, that's a hot seller right now.

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All men have dicks. That's a pretty positive trait that if you don't like dicks, I get it.
But not all black people have big lips. Not all Asians have small eyes. So if you say, "I generally don't find ____ attractive." fine. But to say you don't find ANY of them attractive??? Impossible. You haven't seen them all.

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And I did, indeed, say that.

Nordling said:

Sexual orientation is not equivalent to race-based bias. I believe we get our sexual orientation very early in life, possibly even genetically...or at least a major influence. Shunning ALL of a racial group because you "don't find them attractive" is a cop out, when one considers the enormous diversity among the majority of all human types.

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I see what you're saying and I agree, mostly. But how can saying, "I don't find someone attractive," be a cop out? I don't find women of a certain size attractive. Does that make me an asshole because I don't like heavier women? No. It means I have certain tastes that they don't fit into. And what I was disagreeing with in the post of yours that I originally quoted, was the wording. Your use of "deep dislike" bothered me. I don't see it as a deep dislike- that, to me, reads as having a bit of malicious intent or superiority- like a white girl saying, I'm above that sort of thing. But that isn't necessarily what I see. I just see someone who prefers someone of his/her own ethnicity. Not wanting to go outside one's own ethnic group does not make one racist. Not wanting to fuck a black guy because "all black guys are thug monkeys" does.

See the difference?

You're creating equivalencies again that do not exist. Personal tastes as far as how an INDIVIDUAL appears is in no way equivalent to shunning ALL people of a "race." Simply because race is a social construct, it doesn't exist in biology or even anthropology...it's a 19th century idea that still is hanging on with many people in power.

There is more diversity among people living in sub-saharan Africa than exists among some groups of Europeans. I recommend reading everything you can lay your hands on by Stephan J. Gould...especially "The Mismeasure of Man." (I may not have the title exact).

I'm stealing Nordlings words here (sort of)...
Racism is not always hate. You may not hate a race, but if you discriminate against that race as a whole, you are, in fact, racist.
Nice to know who here is down low racist. :thumbleft:

At the risk of making peeps get mad at me, here are my thoughts:

Everything I think about the racism of interracial porn has already been said here, so w00t.

As far as personal attraction, I admit that this is something I have been thinking about quite a bit lately.

When I was growing up I only knew one black person, ever. It was a girl I was in the second grade with, and we were best friends for like three weeks until I said I wanted to play with another girl during recess and she got mad and never talked to me again.

Because I was almost exclusively around white people during my formative years, all my sexual fantasies developed around white people. White men were whom I was around when I hit puberty, and my little hormones wanted all the ass that was around, which happened to only be white ass.

So I can say that I am predominantly attracted to white men just because that was how I sexually developed. I find men of all races to be quite attractive and beautiful, but for some reason I am pretty much only sexually attracted to white men. I don't know if that makes me racist or not, but there you have it.

On the other hand, when I started to grow up and be an adult and shit, I was introduced a lot more to people of other races and I entered in to a much more ethnically diverse social setting. Also at that time I began to develop an interest in women, and my sexual fantasies included women of lots of races. The result was, of course, that I am sexually attracted to women of any race.

So yeah. I am not sure what more educated people would have to say, but on the inside I don't feel like I'm racist towards men of color, but it may very well be that my general lack of sexually attraction for not-white dudes is incredibly racist, in which case I apologize in advance.

Evvie said:

At the risk of making peeps get mad at me, here are my thoughts:

Everything I think about the racism of interracial porn has already been said here, so w00t.

As far as personal attraction, I admit that this is something I have been thinking about quite a bit lately.

When I was growing up I only knew one black person, ever. It was a girl I was in the second grade with, and we were best friends for like three weeks until I said I wanted to play with another girl during recess and she got mad and never talked to me again.

Because I was almost exclusively around white people during my formative years, all my sexual fantasies developed around white people. White men were whom I was around when I hit puberty, and my little hormones wanted all the ass that was around, which happened to only be white ass.

So I can say that I am predominantly attracted to white men just because that was how I sexually developed. I find men of all races to be quite attractive and beautiful, but for some reason I am pretty much only sexually attracted to white men. I don't know if that makes me racist or not, but there you have it.

On the other hand, when I started to grow up and be an adult and shit, I was introduced a lot more to people of other races and I entered in to a much more ethnically diverse social setting. Also at that time I began to develop an interest in women, and my sexual fantasies included women of lots of races. The result was, of course, that I am sexually attracted to women of any race.

So yeah. I am not sure what more educated people would have to say, but on the inside I don't feel like I'm racist towards men of color, but it may very well be that my general lack of sexually attraction for not-white dudes is incredibly racist, in which case I apologize in advance.

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Nope, you're not racist. You are mainly attracted to white men but do not flat out rule out anyone of other races.
We all have our preferences. That's fine. Viewing a race as a whole and not individuals, that's not fine. From your post, it doesn't sound like you do that.

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UncleThursday said:

But, do the men care about being exploited, or are they just happy they get to fuck a hot chick and have video proof of it?

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In the spirit of discussion, I very much feel that the two options are not limited to "I care that I am encouraging racial stereotypes" and "who gives a darn about that, I get to fuck bitches and people will know so!"

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I agree, and it was maybe a bit more tongue in cheek than I made it out to be.

But, lets face it. A LOT of guys feel their dream job would be working in porn. Sex with women, and you get paid for it? Most men would be "sign me up!" Many of them don't realize if they want to make it their ONLY job, they're going to be doing a ton of gay porn to pay the bills...

But, as I said, the male actors are being exploited just as much as the female ones. The decision, however, is theirs, I suppose.

UncleThursday said:

Evvie said:

UncleThursday said:

But, do the men care about being exploited, or are they just happy they get to fuck a hot chick and have video proof of it?

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In the spirit of discussion, I very much feel that the two options are not limited to "I care that I am encouraging racial stereotypes" and "who gives a darn about that, I get to fuck bitches and people will know so!"

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I agree, and it was maybe a bit more tongue in cheek than I made it out to be.

But, lets face it. A LOT of guys feel their dream job would be working in porn. Sex with women, and you get paid for it? Most men would be "sign me up!" Many of them don't realize if they want to make it their ONLY job, they're going to be doing a ton of gay porn to pay the bills...

But, as I said, the male actors are being exploited just as much as the female ones. The decision, however, is theirs, I suppose.

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I agree that most people in general are pretty uneducated about what it takes to survive in the porn industry, but hopefully they do at least a little research before they try and use that income to survive.

Member: "I wish I could masturbate for hundreds of hot women and get paid big bucks to do it!"
Model: "Yeah, me too."