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Evvie

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Hello, sexy members! Yes, you hansom premium fellows, I truly love (or at the very least am fond of) all of you. Without any sarcasm, I really value the intelligence and knowledge of so many non-model members on ACF. We may get in to arguments or catfights at times, but you dudes are all pretty great.

One thing I have noticed is that members of various camsites like to be helpful, which isn't a surprise because people all over often like to be helpful in general. And to this I say, good for you. If you are an "experienced" member (that is, you've been around a while and you know the ropes), I think it is pretty nice of you to say stuff like, "hey lady, maybe you should turn on some lights, we seriously can't see you" or, "I don't think 500 tokens per ticket is a good idea for a raffle," or whatever common-sense stuff you feel needs to be out there. It may make some ladies grumpy or irritable, because sometimes people just don't want to hear it, but I still think it's a decent thing to do.

However, there is a different class of fellow who has decided that common-sense comments here and there are not enough; he's going to start a de-facto "guide" for how cam models should act or what they should do. And to you, I say, why?

Contrary to what may be popular belief, there are a LOT of resources out there for cam models. We are not drifting in an information black-out; we tend to not be ignorant of our own profession. If you think your guide is needed or necessary, I daresay that it has been written before, much more detailed, by a woman who has years more experience in the industry than you do.

Here, however is my biggest issue: every time I see a member with no industry experience write out guides for cam models, I can expect two things: That the member is instructing models to behave to his preference, and that the member is instructing models to under-sell themselves, provide cheap content, do things for free, or in general, he tries to ruin them because he honestly believes models should be inexpensive commodities.

I admit that it is extremely grating to see "helpful" information spread by members with no experience in our industry and information that very often, in my eyes, is flat-out wrong or even harmful. However, I do know that you guys are pretty smart and you do have a lot of good ideas that maybe just haven't been refined enough through experience. Therefore, I thought I would provide a quick check-list just to make sure that the information you are sharing is legitimized through experience and common sense. Ready? Go!

Step 1: Ask yourself if any webcam model with industry experience has already written a guide on the same topic, or if that information is already available in some other form. (answer: yes)
Step 2: If you feel that you still have valuable or unique insights in to the topic, write your guide anyway.
Step 3: Sign up on Chaturbate or Streamate. Work as a live webcam performer for six months. You should cam a minimum of 15 to 20 hours a week.
Step 4: Reconsider the guide you wrote.
Step 5: Make changes; rewrite or release to the general public.

Now I know what some of you may be thinking. "Hold on, you snarky slut. I may have never worked in the sex industry a day of my life and I may have zero real experience with webcamming, but my opinions should still be taken as fact, because I watch other people get experience." To which I say, watching webcam models does not make you qualified to pass off your opinions as fact. I have watched about 200 hours of murder mysteries on Netflix, and that doesn't make me qualified to call up my local police department and give them bullet points on how to do their jobs better. Regardless of how it seems, there is a hell of a lot more to success on webcam sites than is visible to the casual observer. I think all members, except teh obvious trolls, are great. I really do. I'm not a member-hater and I don't have a superiority complex about my model status. But as an Internet stripper, it is frustrating to see bad advice packaged as gospel truth and handed out to new or inexperienced models who could be seriously tripped up. I have seen tons of good advice on ACF from members, and I value the opinions of members a LOT. It's just when members start talking about their subjective opinions like fact when I get a sadface.

(For those men who are uninterested in becoming a webcam performer to learn about the industry, may I suggest instead sharing your guide on some sort of public webcam forum and allow it to be peer-reviewed by members and models.)
 
Awesome post.

Your thoughts are so organized. Every post I see you make is a marvel of literacy. So first off kudos to your stellar writing skills.

Second, if I was to ever visit your webcam, may I please call you a "snarky slut". I would truly mean it in an affectionate manner. I smiled so big when I read that and I want to use it!
 
Kunra9 said:
Awesome post.

Your thoughts are so organized. Every post I see you make is a marvel of literacy. So first off kudos to your stellar writing skills.

Second, if I was to ever visit your webcam, may I please call you a "snarky slut". I would truly mean it in an affectionate manner. I smiled so big when I read that and I want to use it!
As to the first point, I was home schooled. So you know. :lol:

To the second point, I will probably be pissed off until I figure out who you are. Then we will be cool again :thumbleft:
 
Evvie said:
Kunra9 said:
Awesome post.

Your thoughts are so organized. Every post I see you make is a marvel of literacy. So first off kudos to your stellar writing skills.

Second, if I was to ever visit your webcam, may I please call you a "snarky slut". I would truly mean it in an affectionate manner. I smiled so big when I read that and I want to use it!
As to the first point, I was home schooled. So you know. :lol:

To the second point, I will probably be pissed off until I figure out who you are. Then we will be cool again :thumbleft:

Got it! So begin with proper formal introductions.

THEN move on to derogatory terms of endearment.
 
RedHerby said:
hmmm, one of the lessons I did learn in ACF is:

Q: For me as member, Is it wise to give advice to models how they should do their job?
A: No it's not.
I think a lot of ladies are in a tough spot because it makes us seem bitchy and ungrateful to reject advice from members who probably do have some good ideas.

I have gotten lots of great advice from members over the years. But there often comes a time when a member who knows less about camming than cam models is giving out advice that is probably not supported by the model community as a whole, and it gets difficult to accept that without speaking up.
 
Step 1: Ask yourself if any webcam model with industry experience has already written a guide on the same topic, or if that information is already available in some other form. (answer: yes)
Step 2: If you feel that you still have valuable or unique insights in to the topic, write your guide anyway.
Step 3: Sign up on Chaturbate or Streamate. Work as a live webcam performer for six months. You should cam a minimum of 15 to 20 hours a week.
Step 4: Reconsider the guide you wrote.
Step 5: Make changes; rewrite or release to the general public.

:handgestures-salute:

Pro-tip for models:

If you find yourself flailing and EXPECT tips because you have tits and a pussy, think again.
 
Bocefish said:
Pro-tip for models:

If you find yourself flailing and EXPECT tips because you have tits and a pussy, think again.

What on earth is wrong with you today? Seriously, it's like you just got your first period. Yeah... I said it.

Evvie I actually love you for this.

I think people should also ask themselves how they'd feel having an acquaintance or a total stranger who's never done their job before and has no real experience trying to give them advice about how to do your job better without ever being asked. People seem to think being a cam model is different. Well yes, it is, but the ONLY way it is different is that not only would you be telling someone how to do their job, you're also telling them what to do with their body and sexuality, which is very personal. It is not ok, it's never ok.

What is ok:

Member: "I like it when models do x and x"
"I think you look sexy when you do this"
"I preferred this show to the other"

Pretty much most things a member will say is their opinion. I also know that although there are lots of members who watch loads and loads of models, generally you'll stick around rooms that you like. So you won't really get to see a detailed insight into the ways every single model cams. You may also talk to some members, but not all members talk to other members or even in the room.

I ride horses, a while ago I was getting dressage lessons, I hadn't ridden for a while and was a bit rusty. My mother was watching the lessons. Now my mother has limited experience riding horses (although she does know how to ride) but she physically cannot do what I was doing in the lesson.
If my instructor tells me to put my heels down and keep my shoulders back, I listen, she is qualified. If my mother, who is unqualified and doesn't do it herself tells me, it's annoying/insulting. Most obvious thing with riding is "heels down, sit up straight/shoulders back" It's a very true statement, so yes my mother's advice was technically correct, but she wasn't in a position to say so.

Whether you think your advice is amazing, you might want to think whether you're just pointing out the obvious, or pointing out a personal preference, or if the advice is really called for.

I know members on here who genuinely try and help models, and I've been helped by a member before as a new model. He helped me a lot, he's actually the one who directed me to acf, although me being a stupid girl I didn't sign up for another half year! All he did to help me was got me to make a basic account and took me round some of the top models, I had come into camming blind and had never even looked. Reading acf would have helped me a ton before, but really I had absolutely no clue! I think there's a difference though genuinely helping a model by pointing them to acf and showing them a few other models/tipping them lots and taking them in long privates and pushing the advice on what they should be doing.

Pointing a girl in the right direction if she needs it isn't a bad thing, but I'd just watch out on what you say.
 
Evvie said:
(For those men who are uninterested in becoming a webcam performer to learn about the industry, may I suggest instead sharing your guide on some sort of public webcam forum and allow it to be peer-reviewed by members and models.)

I blame my poor impulse control for my decision to make this.

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